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Aside from Medicare mental health care plans? Acute and residential care - it’s very expensive to keep seriously ill people in psychiatric facilities
They have to go through GPs who I guess like any profession are hit and miss
That sort of care is very expensive but than you run the risk of funding jail's instead.
Mental health care has a very high failure rate which that industry needs to address and us as a society in the bigger picture.
Don't want to go into details but I'm living proof. It's a failure and a disgrace.
But no votes no money so no one cares
 

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They have to go through GPs who I guess like any profession are hit and miss
That sort of care is very expensive but than you run the risk of funding jail's instead.
Mental health care has a very high failure rate which that industry needs to address and us as a society in the bigger picture.
Don't want to go into details but I'm living proof. It's a failure and a disgrace.
But no votes no money so no one cares
To be fair we spend upwards of $11B a year on mental health

The problem is that 'mental health' covers more than run-of-the-mill depression/anxiety - it includes complex psychiatric disorders and substance abuse, which suck up a huge amount of funding. The cost of treating someone with schizophrenia is something like $22,000 per presentation - and your average schizophrenic doesn't have awesome private health insurance.

Unfortunately a lot of the money gets sucked up by secure psychiatric hospital, specialised inpatient psych wards, and residential facilities - you know, the non-negotiable stuff to keep people from hurting themselves or others, right now. Then you have the outpatient drug and alcohol services, the PBS subsidies for anti-psychotics...

unfortunately the people just struggling along in their day-to-day lives tend to be the last priority
 
Anyone tried microdosing on pyschadelics to help with depression? Listened to a podcast about it today and there is definitely some interesting things happening in this field. Hopefully some clinical trials can start happening in Australia.
 
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To be fair we spend upwards of $11B a year on mental health

The problem is that 'mental health' covers more than run-of-the-mill depression/anxiety - it includes complex psychiatric disorders and substance abuse, which suck up a huge amount of funding. The cost of treating someone with schizophrenia is something like $22,000 per presentation - and your average schizophrenic doesn't have awesome private health insurance.

Unfortunately a lot of the money gets sucked up by secure psychiatric hospital, specialised inpatient psych wards, and residential facilities - you know, the non-negotiable stuff to keep people from hurting themselves or others, right now. Then you have the outpatient drug and alcohol services, the PBS subsidies for anti-psychotics...

unfortunately the people just struggling along in their day-to-day lives tend to be the last priority
All true but these ******* leaches charging 22000 are not getting results they are bleeding the most vulnerable dry. Where is this money going?
In any fact it is an absolute con.
Our society can't or won't deal with causes or consequences of mental illness so best bet is to hide disguise it as best as possible trust no one and build your best life as much as possible
 
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Anyone tried microdosing on pyschadelics to help with depression? Listened to a podcast about it today and there is definitely some interesting things happening in this field. Hopefully some clinical trials can start happening in Australia.
Sort of but not worth it. You'll lose a day have vivid dreams and remember nothing
 

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Negative self talk, usually chronic daily rumination is a big part of the problem of this epidemic, and it’s hard to admit, it’s pretty clear that functional people are far better at regulating and filtering self talk to be mostly light, positive and easy going in a conditioned and practiced way for many years.

Negative self talk seems to stem from things that have occurred that might have been traumatic, maybe the family or friends environment you were low in the importance of the group or felt that way. Talked down to and that grinds people down to feeling ugly and terrible. Even if the reality is somewhere inbetween. The environment might not have been very nurturing or encouraging.

You look at highly functional or happy people, they either have good looks, a great personality, talent or are fairly intelligent, are effortlessly cool Or a mix of those traits and the world rewards them for that by default.

It’s hard to be or feel ordinary and depression often yields thoughts about ourselves that we are unworthy of feeling ok or even normal, let alone happy.

You do see many people whom are indeed very functional and happy, but there is a good reason for this, they have one of those main traits that really stands out, which is rewarded as being successful by default. Like being tall(as an example) gives you an immediate advantage where people assume you are successful or cool because it’s viewed as a celebrated trait.

There are many examples of celebrated human traits that are rewarded in most environments by default, and whilst this can be a complex discussion, let’s also look at just how many people there are in any given country around the globe(a lot), it’s pretty hard to feel unique or to feel good in a world where the media, entertainment, sports, music, literature, science, tech and politics is presented with people who are the best of the best all the time(though it is inspiring), then you have advertising that mirrors all of that but can also be quite sinister in its humour, the message isn’t pure to the product it’s trying to sell, it’s just trying to get clicks so to speak.

So it can be a bitter pill if you are using a lot of social media and entertainment and then you go out and see a lot of better looking and functional people who just seem to take being cool and or functional for granted.

For me, feeling generic and boring in every trait has lead to a feeling of nothingness and emptiness that’s hard to shake off. It Melts away any ego or genuine hope of self esteem you ever once had.

Finding or keeping good friends and relationships has been very hard.

I think part of is also modern culture, there’s way too much fear and not enough fun and comedy etc.., probably a cliched and out of my depth opinion but it’s felt that way for a while.

Often you just feel like you’re in some bizarre sitcom around highly functional people with a laugh track that’s on you, or something akin to that and you don’t have the strong persona to get around that.

I’ve felt like that way in most environments since I was a kid, and to be fair why would you not feel like rubbish, lol.

Here is the mindset of a depressed person with negative rumination.

“They’d never go out with me, there are so many better looking, more interesting or more suited people”. “What are you even thinking, you complete stooge”. “There’s tens of millions of potential people that you would literally be better off with”. “I apologise in advance for even pondering the thought”.

At the same time depression is different for everyone as everyone has such different situations to the next person.
I tell you what ……
You might feel down on yourself but what you just wrote was so honest and well thought out and considered , it would have to be helpful to someone else going through similar experiences .

Take pride in this , lifting the rug and realising what’s under the surface isn’t all its cracked up to be is an important trait

If you can sift through the bullshit in this world you are half way there
 
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Work sucks its too hard.
And exhausting. I'd love to chill and stop drinking (it is way out of control now) but you stop for a day or 7 than back into it or whatever poison you like.
This is not normal. It simply ain't a normal way of living. It's too much. But there is never any ending.
Need 6 months off but can't do it. Too many ridiculous demands and politics.
 

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Work sucks its too hard.
And exhausting. I'd love to chill and stop drinking (it is way out of control now) but you stop for a day or 7 than back into it or whatever poison you like.
This is not normal. It simply ain't a normal way of living. It's too much. But there is never any ending.
Need 6 months off but can't do it. Too many ridiculous demands and politics.

Sounds like you're burnt out as well as depressed. Are you able to take a couple of weeks off and change up your environment for a bit by going somewhere else? Staying in your current day to day is only going to make things worse.
 
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Gosh it's so deflating when you feel like you make some progress and it catches up with you again.


Had been spurring myself on for the previous year by overcoming moderate social anxiety. I've made massive strides and really boosted my confidence in the process.

That progress has petered out and I feel like I've stagnated for a couple of months - still not where I want to be on the social front, and now I'm back to feeling the isolation and despair.
 
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Work sucks its too hard.
And exhausting. I'd love to chill and stop drinking (it is way out of control now) but you stop for a day or 7 than back into it or whatever poison you like.
This is not normal. It simply ain't a normal way of living. It's too much. But there is never any ending.
Need 6 months off but can't do it. Too many ridiculous demands and politics.
Can’t advocate enough for getting off the booze for a more extended run. I stop altogether for at least a calendar month a few times a year (and am not a big drinker most of the time anyway).
 
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Can’t advocate enough for getting off the booze for a more extended run. I stop altogether for at least a calendar month a few times a year (and am not a big drinker most of the time anyway).
Agree but something always comes up. Bit like when you plan a budget right to the cent and have a plan.
Next minute you're in a car crash or lose your job = out the window.
Commit to total abstinence. Next minute another shitful day.
Absolutely cut back on booze or whatever but not a cure all.
And when I look at myself did the drink cause this or was it self medication. It's both. Remove 1 habit you create another
 
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Its also too ******* cold here. It drains you.
Also I have some weird mental state where I probably have autism or Asperger's and need psychiatric treatment according to a doc. But for 250 a pop * off. I'll go overseas or interstate. Far better treatment than endless ******* talk therapy.
 
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Agree but something always comes up. Bit like when you plan a budget right to the cent and have a plan.
Next minute you're in a car crash or lose your job = out the window.
Commit to total abstinence. Next minute another shitful day.
Absolutely cut back on booze or whatever but not a cure all.
And when I look at myself did the drink cause this or was it self medication. It's both. Remove 1 habit you create another
Respectfully I don’t agree. If you’re using alcohol to self medicate then you need to abstain more than most
 
Gosh it's so deflating when you feel like you make some progress and it catches up with you again.
I experienced it for about 12 days straight, about a month ago.

I didnt go out, I basically did literally nothing for 12 days, but lay in bed and online. Ordered my meals from Uber and just rinse, wash and repeat for 12 days.

Its kinda scary how 3-4 days can become a week or two.

It screwed my sleep cycle and reduced my pain tolerance so I was constantly taking pain killers. The high admittedly helped with the depression. Mind you oxy will do that.

I post on here advocating walking, exercising etc but its a lot easier to say it then do it. This coming from someone who loves exercising and can go weeks, ie every day going to the gym before taking a day off.

In any case, when it hit me again about a week back. I learnt my lesson and managed to get out and go for a run. Mind you its easier if your fit and conditioned. Walking is just as effective if not more so. Long story short, I kept my depression to just one day and I was back to "normal."
 
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My thoughts are all over the place ATM. May just take a week off and reassess just hopelessly burnt out atm
If youre suggesting your mental health cant afford a month off booze because its a form of self medication (and im speculating wildly here piecing bits together) id strongly suggest seeking some help, im not doctor and im loathed to play armchair analyst but thats not a healthy relationship with alcohol.
 
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