Analysis Depth Chart/Best 22

[exceptional design]

If we go back to Maric with Vickery backup ruck, how would people feel about Astbury going forward again ??
Was drafted as a forward and can take a grab.

Something like this when we're injury free and not pretending we're doing a rebuild:

Grimes - Chaplin - Batchelor
McIntosh - Rance - Yarran
Houli - Vlastuin - B Ellis
Deledio - Vickery - Lloyd
Edwards - Riewoldt - Astbury
Maric - Cotchin - Conca
Martin - Miles - Lambert - Grigg

Emg: Moore - Townsend - Lennon

I liked Houli nearer the wing in 2012 too.

Yep I would prefer Astbury as the utilty, and leave Chaplin where he is. Gives the back line, the 3 talls when needed, rather than Griff as the extra tall.
Probably Houli & McIntosh swapped, but either way.
Martin HFF, Astbury INT, Lloyd FP.
That is pretty much the side I would love us playing with each game this year.

 

[RobsJourney]

Yep I would prefer Astbury as the utilty, and leave Chaplin where he is. Gives the back line, the 3 talls when needed, rather than Griff as the extra tall.
Probably Houli & McIntosh swapped, but either way.
Martin HFF, Astbury INT, Lloyd FP.
That is pretty much the side I would love us playing with each game this year.

Good thoughts, the only reason I reckon having Houli wing with McIntosh taking his place is that McIntosh was a HBF when we recruited him and looked decent taking some marks down in the defensive 50, especially when he had to cover for Grimes against Collingwood.
Plus he has the pace and tank to provide that rebound, and his kicking is decent, with the occasional mistake, but has length and penetration.
However Houli and Yarran apparently combined amazingly before Yaz had to get the foot surgery so I guess both is good.

Anyway, hoping to see a side like this run out by round 10 or 11.

 

[Tango67]

Don't like Astbury as a forward he is too slow, I would like to try Elton and see what he has to offer and allow Rance as the floating defender to intercept and assist.
I would also like to see Houli on a wing where he can be more damaging and less costly with his brain fades
Cotchin goes to HBF where he can be creative and run forward, he can rotate with Martin through the middle
B.Ellis, can't kick, can't add much but running power, needs to be reinvented as a run with mid as he can go all day and it may be his making.
Vickery plays up the ground outside 50 and is our link from defence to forward 50 and is ruck relief, Jack is deep Mcbean is cover back or forward, we know what Griffo offers or doesn't offer so the bean deserves a shot.
our HF and pockets push up the ground and slingshot as all have pace.

B. Rance Elton Vlastuin
H. Macintosh Astbury Cotchin
C. Houli Martin Menadue
H. Edwards Vickery Lambert
F. Rioli Jack Deledio
R. Maric/Hampson Miles, B.Ellis
I. Grigg, Short, Ellis, Mcbean

The backline has class with Rance and Cotchin
Mids have grunt with Martin and Miles
Wings and fwd flanks and pockets all have speed
Vickery can be a statue in the centre square with our ruck dropping back and Jack is deep and all alone inside 50 with the speeders running towards him and goal.

We play on at every opportunity and play fast through the guts, the aim is get the ball inside 50 quickly and often, we have the defensive smells to lock it in. No sideways or backwards kicks and no one is allowed to pass it and stop, we must run forward after we dispose of it to provide a link.

If we turn it over so what, what else is new, if we get beaten so what..... If Stkilda can do it so can we
Time for DH to play fast paced high risk fun footy rather than the crap he is dishing up at the moment.

 

[RobsJourney]

Watching this game from 2012 round 3 against Melbourne, I'm missing that style of footy. We were playing 2016 footy then.
We improved greatly into 2013 and then after that we messed around WAY too much because of the 2013 EF loss to Carlton.
I'm a broken record sorry, but I reckon we should go back to that. Hell, even Morris was playing awesome, hard, attacking footy in 2012.

So, basically copying 2012/13 and making the necessary/forced changes from then, here is a 22 I'd love to see run out in 3-5 weeks:

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Morris
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran
C: Grigg - Conca - Deledio
HF: Lennon/McBean - Vickery - Martin
F: Edwards - Riewoldt - Lloyd
R: Maric - Cotchin - Vlastuin
Int: Batchelor - B Ellis - Miles - McIntosh


Here's hoping!

 

[JR82]

Watching this game from 2012 round 3 against Melbourne, I'm missing that style of footy. We were playing 2016 footy then.
We improved greatly into 2013 and then after that we messed around WAY too much because of the 2013 EF loss to Carlton.
I'm a broken record sorry, but I reckon we should go back to that. Hell, even Morris was playing awesome, hard, attacking footy in 2012.

So, basically copying 2012/13 and making the necessary/forced changes from then, here is a 22 I'd love to see run out in 3-5 weeks:

B: Grimes - Chaplin - Morris
HB: Houli - Rance - Yarran
C: Grigg - Conca - Deledio
HF: Lennon/McBean - Vickery - Martin
F: Edwards - Riewoldt - Lloyd
R: Maric - Cotchin - Vlastuin
Int: Batchelor - B Ellis - Miles - McIntosh


Here's hoping!

interesting u mention that time as that is when the majority of our Players had career high disposal #'s as well.
games from that time that stand out in particular are v Hawks in '12 & WC in perth '13 when we ran the opposition off thier feet.

 

[RobsJourney]

interesting u mention that time as that is when the majority of our Players had career high disposal #'s as well.
games from that time that stand out in particular are v Hawks in '12 & WC in perth '13 when we ran the opposition off thier feet.

Yeah, and imagine replacing some of the hacks like Maric, Miller, McGuane, Aaron Edwards, with some of our better players now.
Why did we stop playing that kind of footy? Need to get back to it..

 

[JR82]

Yeah, and imagine replacing some of the hacks like Maric, Miller, McGuane, Aaron Edwards, with some of our better players now.
Why did we stop playing that kind of footy? Need to get back to it..

i reckon in a bid to stop turnovers we slowed the game down so when we do turn it over we are setup defensively to get the ball back. maybe this time we are trying the quicker style & sticking with it

 

[RichmondT456]

Not sure if right thread, but which Richmond players are grew up as Tigers supporters?

And if they didn't grow up as Tigers supporters, who did they barrack for?

 

[Sassafras]

Not sure if right thread, but which Richmond players are grew up as Tigers supporters?

And if they didn't grow up as Tigers supporters, who did they barrack for?

Taylor Hunt.

 

[RobsJourney]

Ok I'm gonna have another crack at the 22 - for when we're completely fit.

1-4 at the moment is not good reading, but I do believe our best side can still beat most.


B: Dylan Grimes - David Astbury/Troy Chaplin - Ben Griffiths
HB: Bachar Houli - Alex Rance - Chris Yarran
C: Kamdyn McIntosh - Nick Vlastuin - Brandon Ellis
HF: Brett Deledio - Ty Vickery - Dustin Martin
F: Shane Edwards - Jack Riewoldt - Sam Lloyd
R: Ivan Maric - Trent Cotchin - Reece Conca
Int: Anthony Miles - Shaun Grigg - Jake Batchelor - one of Rioli, Corey Ellis, Menadue or Lennon, depending on form in the VFL.

I think that looks like our 2013 side only better.
Griffiths and Grimes will keep rotating their role as sweeper and 3rd tall, depending on what is necessary.
But mostly Griffiths will be taking chop off marks, rucking in the backline, and looking to kick long down the centre out of the backline. Give him plenty of games to build confidence. He could be a huge asset there once he settles into it.

 

[t_bond_legend]

FB: J. Batchelor - A. Rance - D. Grimes
HB: C. Yarran - D. Astbury - B. Houli
C: B. Ellis - A. Miles - S. Grigg
HF: B. Deledio - J. Riewoldt - B. Lennon
FF: S. Edwards - T. Vickery - B. Griffiths
R: S. Hampson - T. Cotchin - D. Martin
INT: N. Vlastuin - C. Ellis - R. Conca - J. Townsend
EMG: I. Maric - T. Hunt - K. McIntosh

I think this is our best 22 for 2016 and going forward. Really hope Astbury has a big pre-season. Fingers crossed as I really rate him. Also think Maric is gonna slow down a hell of a lot and Hampson will thrive if fit.

Hahaha Hampson. FMD lol

Let's not write him off yet, think he has still a bit to offer and ruckmen generally take quite a while to come good. I actually think ruckmen's prime years are between 26-30. IIRC, Maric didn't exactly set the world on fire either before joining us (he was 26 when we recruited him and he had a few above average seasons)

I don't know how much of Hampson you've seen at VFL level , but I can assure you if he gets a game we are doomed. He really should have done the right thing by the club and retired.
Age is irrelevant with this bloke. He just has no ground sense or football brain or awareness on the field,coupled with his pea heart makes him a factor poorer than a liability. Eight years on a list and it's more than ability with this guy. RFC have no intention of investing in this guy beyond 2016 so mark it down he is a goner.

 

[Snooza 100]

FB. Grimes,Astbury,Morris.
HB. Houli,Rance,Yarren.
C. McIntosh,Miles,Grigg.
HF. Lennon,Reiwalt,Edwards.
FF. Rioli,Griffith,Lloyd.
FOLL. Hampson,Martin,Cotch.
IC. Lambert,Markov,B Ellis,C Ellis.

No TV we need to trade him.
No Conca Need to trade him.
Prob need to trade B Ellis also.

 

[The Doozy]

FB. Grimes,Astbury,Morris.
HB. Houli,Rance,Yarren.
C. McIntosh,Miles,Grigg.
HF. Lennon,Reiwalt,Edwards.
FF. Rioli,Griffith,Lloyd.
FOLL. Hampson,Martin,Cotch.
IC. Lambert,Markov,B Ellis,C Ellis.

No TV we need to trade him.
No Conca Need to trade him.
Prob need to trade B Ellis also.

no vlaustin?

 

[TigerTime88]

FB. Grimes Astbury Vlaustin
HB. Houli. Rance. Yarran
C. Menadue Martin B Ellis
HF. Lennon Reiwoldt Edwards
FF. Deledio Griffiths. Lloyd
FOLL. Hampson, Prestia, Cotch.

IC. Markov, C Ellis, Grigg, Miles

For me the above 22 when fit and firing would be a very good side.

The backline is very strong with both defense and run. If someone sits on Houli then Yarran runs free and vice versa. A little like what Carlton do with Docherty/Simpson. Astbury for me does a job and never really gets destroyed by an opposition forward.

The midfield is our next strong point:

Cotchin, Martin, Prestia are a very good top 3. Miles the in and under grunt to help those guys. Corey Ellis eventually another inside stoppage/outside class player. We shouldn't struggle at stoppages with these guys in there and Hammer tapping. Then you have the outside run and speed of Menadue, B Ellis, Markov, Deledio and Edwards rotating through.

Forward you have the two keys in Riewoldt and Griff who would rotate high and deep. I am backing Griff in to be a servicable second tall. The only issue is he will need to give Hammer a chopout in the ruck, which may spread us thin.

Then Lennon/Lids playing that 3rd tall. Both are high 180s and can take a grab...even lloyd marks well. Lloyd and Titch to be crumbers.

Think that forward line has plenty of attacking flair and goal kicking power, as well as the ability to put on defensive pressure.

Depth - Rioli, Lambert, Castagna, Short, Batchelor, Drummond, Elton

Little bit of a depth but really this is where we need to hit GWS or the draft. I would be going after a young ruck and maybe even a mature rookie ruckman. Then we need to take some KPD. Probably save our first pick for next year on a KPF.

The talk of a rebuild is overs for mine. We nedd to tinker, but surely the above side is good enough and packed with enough talent to do some serious damage.....with the right game plan of run and pressure.

 

[Football Tragic]

FB. Grimes Astbury Vlaustin
HB. Houli. Rance. Yarran/Markov
C. McIntosh Miles B Ellis
HF. Lennon Reiwoldt Edwards
FF. Deledio Griffiths. Lloyd/Rioli
FOLL. Hampson, Martin, Cotch.

IC. Grigg, Castanga, Lambert/CEllis, Menadue

I think this is the side to take us forward at this stage. Love to see Pestia and/or Hurley added to the mix but this is a strong side imo moving forward into next year. I have Markov off the half back as a reserve player for Yarran but given the rest of the season to prove himself he may well find himself a regular perhaps even as our high half back.

Astbury has continued to grown in confidence this year and his contested marking and reading of the play has been excellent of late. I'm rapped that he is realizing his potential. I think he is the better option over Chaplin even though Chaplin is the better leader in defense. I would love to see Vlaustin rotate through the middle more so if either McIntosh or Short could have stints in the backline that would enable this.

Rioli is our future small forward if his form continues to grow but Lloyd has the nod atm. I really like the way Lennon provides a marking tarket up the wings and off the half forward. I think his pace hurts him though defensively. If he can learn that side of his game then he will be a huge asset to the side.

Griffiths over Vickery is a no brainer atm as is Hampson over Maric. Grigg is sliding down my priority list and may find himself playing VFL footy next year at some stage. George, Menedue and McIntosh are our runners. They give us the pace and enthusiasm we need to continue to grow as a team.I like LAmbert at the moment but C.Ellis should overtake him if he continues to develop.
They just need consistency and experience and we will reap the rewards.

 

[Richofan#123144]

GRIMES ASTBURY VLAS
YARRAN RANCE HOULI
MCINTOSH MARTIN BELLIS
LENNON GRIFFITHS LIDS
EDWARDS JACK LLOYD
HAMPSON MILES COTCHIN
INT:OLEG RIOLI CELLIS CASTAGNA GRIGG DRUMMOND MENADUE SHORT LAMBERT CHOL BATCH MARCON

GOOD DEPTH- STILL UNSURE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:

BELLIS- PANICS TOO MUCH
HOULI- PANICS TOO MUCH & TOO SOFT
LENNON- WORK RATE
OLEG- ONLY PLAYED 2 GAMES SO UNSURE
CASTAGNA- ONLY PLAYED 3 GAMES SO UNSURE
SHORT- JUST NOT SURE ABOUT HIM FOR SOME REASON
MENADUE- LIKE HIS SKILLS BUT STILL GOES MISSING- MAYBE NOT ENOUGH SPOTS FOR HIM IF BELLIS, MCINTOSH & RIOLI ALL PLAYING
RIOLI- GOES MISSING IN GAMES
CELLIS- WANT HIM TO GET BIGGER TO PLAY INSIDE MID
DRUMMOND- HASNT PLAYED SENIORS YET REALLY- NOT COUNTING HIS 1ST GAME

 

[t_bond_legend]

GRIMES ASTBURY VLAS
YARRAN RANCE HOULI
MCINTOSH MARTIN BELLIS
LENNON GRIFFITHS LIDS
EDWARDS JACK LLOYD
HAMPSON MILES COTCHIN
INT:OLEG RIOLI CELLIS CASTAGNA GRIGG DRUMMOND MENADUE SHORT LAMBERT CHOL BATCH MARCON

GOOD DEPTH- STILL UNSURE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:

BELLIS- PANICS TOO MUCH
HOULI- PANICS TOO MUCH & TOO SOFT
LENNON- WORK RATE
OLEG- ONLY PLAYED 2 GAMES SO UNSURE
CASTAGNA- ONLY PLAYED 3 GAMES SO UNSURE
SHORT- JUST NOT SURE ABOUT HIM FOR SOME REASON
MENADUE- LIKE HIS SKILLS BUT STILL GOES MISSING- MAYBE NOT ENOUGH SPOTS FOR HIM IF BELLIS, MCINTOSH & RIOLI ALL PLAYING
RIOLI- GOES MISSING IN GAMES
CELLIS- WANT HIM TO GET BIGGER TO PLAY INSIDE MID
DRUMMOND- HASNT PLAYED SENIORS YET REALLY- NOT COUNTING HIS 1ST GAME

Why are you yelling?

 

[Mr Magic]

Best 22 is pretty simple for me.

Backline picks itself.

Grimes Rance Conca

Vlastuin Astbury Markov

Menaude Cotchin McIntosh

Lids JR Rioli

Edwards Griffiths Martin

Foll: Hampson Miles McGrath

Castagna, Ellis, Ellis, Lloyd

 

[Snooza 100]

OK this is our best 22

FB. grimes,rance,morris
HB. houli,astbury,yarren
C. mcintosh,vlastuin,grigg
HF. sheds,griff,delidio
FF. rioli,reiwolt,lennon
FOL. hamma,cotch,martin
I.miles,lloyd,lambert,cellis

That side looks solid on paper to me, need to trade B,ellis and TV.
B great to get Prestia, i like morris in the back pocket, was going
good before injury, he goes in hard. Vlastuin in the guts please.
Not sure about Conca, think we need to trade him too.
We are starting to get some good depth, markov menadue
castagne, side will change depending on injury and form
Need to get games into lennon was a high pick, he looks the goods.
Need to draft another ruckman in case Hamma goes down.

Our recruiters have a huge off season. Activate War Chest...

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

When Houli and Grigg aren't in our best possible 22 our depth will be such that we will be a serious challenger to the flag.

 

[Richofan#123144]

Why are you yelling?

Just excited about our depth, sorry. (really was half was through when I noticed & just kept going...)