Develop rivalry with NZ

[big_e]

is it true the NZC incurs a financial loss with every test match?

They got US$1.6 million for winning the WTC, which would close the gap a bit.

 

[Kappa]

They got US$1.6 million for winning the WTC, which would close the gap a bit.

By the looks of things, that's about how much they lose every year.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I'm not a CFO at NZC, but all I'll say is you can keep your money and #5 ranking and we'll keep our test mace thank you very much.

Okay, better cross your fingers that one of the big boys want to tour NZ and play in front of piddling crowds and earn little money.

 

[Kappa]

Okay, better cross your fingers that one of the big boys want to tour NZ and play in front of piddling crowds and earn little money.

na mate.. crowds are fine !

 

[Marshland]

Okay, better cross your fingers that one of the big boys want to tour NZ and play in front of piddling crowds and earn little money.

They should, if they care about facing up to the best team in the world over beating up on hapless Poms at home.

 

[PhatBoy]

Okay, better cross your fingers that one of the big boys want to tour NZ and play in front of piddling crowds and earn little money.

Hang on, what do crowds matter for a team touring there? Their profit is based entirely on tv and advertising rights isn’t it?

 

[Marshland]

Hang on, what do crowds matter for a team touring there? Their profit is based entirely on tv and advertising rights isn’t it?

Why let facts get in the way of a Monday night whinge?

 

[big_e]

We should feel blessed to be in the company of so many experts on the economics of cricket.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Hang on, what do crowds matter for a team touring there? Their profit is based entirely on tv and advertising rights isn’t it?

Why would they go play in a place where nobody cares about attending? NZ is competing with several other nations for scheduled tours with the big boys, and a lack of atmosphere doesn't help publicity.

To continue to be a cricketing superpower, a country needs to be making money to reinvest it in their cricketing academies. If you don't, you end up like the West Indies, going from world beaters to a laughingstock within a generation. NZ are going through their salad days right now, and need to make money to keep themselves a going concern.

 

[PhatBoy]

Why would they go play in a place where nobody cares about attending? NZ is competing with several other nations for scheduled tours with the big boys, and a lack of atmosphere doesn't help publicity.

To continue to be a cricketing superpower, a country needs to be making money to reinvest it in their cricketing academies. If you don't, you end up like the West Indies, going from world beaters to a laughingstock within a generation. NZ are going through their salad days right now, and need to make money to keep themselves a going concern.

What, you mean like India who literally as I type this are playing a series in front of 0 spectators

The West Indies decline has literally nothing to do with that. Their inability to rebound 25 years later yes it has an association with money and financial viability however it doesn’t stop India touring there because they make money from tv not from crowds. The home board makes money from crowds, not the visiting one.

West Indies declined because they did not invest in youth and they just assumed that these freaks with natural ability would a) continue to emerge from the islands and b) that natural talent would be enough to cope with other teams. They were unprofessional and didn’t build academies and so forth. They also have suffered from the fact that whenever they struggle, the islands become less United as they are not a country where everyone is roughly on the same page about their goals and their results. At a low level you see in australia the inter state insularity where some people and selectors and officials would rather see a test player fail because he’s not from the right state. That is very much a tiny minority. In the West Indies the fact that they are all from different countries means that insularity is much more of a problem

 

[Johnny Bananas]

What, you mean like India who literally as I type this are playing a series in front of 0 spectators

Due to Covid. Want to try again?

 

[PhatBoy]

Due to Covid. Want to try again?

And? Do you think they’re losing any money?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

And? Do you think they’re losing any money?

I'd say India knows full well that they make more money when they send their players to high profile nations that have packed out stadiums. NZ isn't a high profile cricketing nation and has never been one. It can become one with strong crowds and investment in their future, but right now they're just having their West Indies 80s moment.

 

[PhatBoy]

I'd say India knows full well that they make more money when they send their players to high profile nations that have packed out stadiums. NZ isn't a high profile cricketing nation and has never been one. It can become one with strong crowds and investment in their future, but right now they're just having their West Indies 80s moment.

The people there are literally irrelevant.

They make no impact whatsoever.

Pakistan has spent a decade playing in front of no one yet they are still functioning. Why? Because they have 200 million residents many of whom are cricket mad and they make plenty out of broadcasting rights. Short of the thrill the individual players themselves get, a crowd does next to nothing to impact a visiting country’s financial haul from a tour.

Hence when SA were the best team in the world, even though they get modest and often disappointing test crowds outside of Boxing Day, India Australia and England were all keen to tour there regularly. Hell, australia even squeezed in a non rotational 2 test series over there in 2011 because the money comes from interest surrounding broadcast revenue

 

[Marshland]

I'd say India knows full well that they make more money when they send their players to high profile nations that have packed out stadiums. NZ isn't a high profile cricketing nation and has never been one. It can become one with strong crowds and investment in their future, but right now they're just having their West Indies 80s moment.

India toured in 2020 for 5 T20s, 3 ODIs, a practice match, and 2 Tests. We smashed them in the Tests and ODIs and the crowds were healthy throughout (this was before Covid really took over).

Try again pal.

 

[Kappa]

Hang on, what do crowds matter for a team touring there? Their profit is based entirely on tv and advertising rights isn’t it?

Are u saying crowds and ratings don't matter?

 

[PhatBoy]

Are u saying crowds and ratings don't matter?

For a team touring somewhere, crowds don’t.
Ratings do - but ratings in India, for India touring NZ, have nothing to do with attendance at the venue.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

India toured in 2020 for 5 T20s, 3 ODIs, a practice match, and 2 Tests. We smashed them in the Tests and ODIs and the crowds were healthy throughout (this was before Covid really took over).

Try again pal.

Right, and when's the next time they're coming back?

 

[Kappa]

India toured in 2020 for 5 T20s, 3 ODIs, a practice match, and 2 Tests. We smashed them in the Tests and ODIs and the crowds were healthy throughout (this was before Covid really took over).

Try again pal.

Yeah... "2 tests" is the critical part.

 

[Marshland]

Right, and when's the next time they're coming back?

I believe there will be an ODI only series here late in the year.

 

[Marshland]

Yeah... "2 tests" is the critical part.

Why are Australia happy with playing 0 tests? It's been over half a decade?

Can't stomach your bats being found out by our attack?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Pakistan has spent a decade playing in front of no one yet they are still functioning.
Why? Because they have 200 million residents many of whom are cricket mad and they make plenty out of broadcasting rights.

And NZ are a nation of 5m who don't. NZ need money.

Short of the thrill the individual players themselves get, a crowd does next to nothing to impact a visiting country’s financial haul from a tour.

Why do India play Australia more often than New Zealand? Could it be because Australia has a bigger profile, in part due to the success in Australian cricket, in part due to money, in part due to crowds?

 

[Kappa]

Why are Australia happy with playing 0 tests? It's been over half a decade?

Can't stomach your bats being found out by our attack?

As I've said a million times, the money/public interest is just not there to justify playing NZ more than the minimum required.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I believe there will be an ODI only series here late in the year.

Oh, you mean they don't want to play a test? I wonder why. After all NZ is winner of the World Test Championship, you'd think they'd be mad keen to do so.

More to the point, do you honestly think NZ are going to sustain their success without strong investment in the next generations?

 

[Marshland]

More to the point, do you honestly think NZ are going to sustain their success without strong investment in the next generations?

We're having a purple patch and need to make sure it doesn't sink without a trace like WI or Aus. So far the newer folks entering the team also seem solid enough so let's hope for the best!