Did we bring it on ourselves??

[robbieando]

People who think that the policy of the Howard government brought on this attack are fooling themselves. The reason Bali was attacked by JI was because they wanted to drive the Western tourists out of Bail so they could weaken the Indonesian government so they could gain power and thus set up a Islamic superstate.

Bali accounts for a large amount of the tourist trade in Indonesia and thus a huge amount of money. Cut off this money and Indonesia is in troble.

Never mind the fact that bombs went off at the same time outside the US and Philopines Consols. We as Australians were not the targets, the Western world was so that we would leave Bali so JI could set up its dream of an Islamic superstate.

We now is our policy to blame and why is it so bad? Its been the same since federation. People forget the fact we signed the ANZUS treaty which means it attacked we must support the other. So on Sept 11 when the US was attacked we had to join them in the fight against terrorism. We stood beside the UK and the US in 2 World Wars, yet no one dare says that we were wrong to do that.

If we were attacked because of our policy why then did France have one of its boats bombed when they are anti war in Iraq. Why did Finland have one of its shopping centres bombed when they aren't known for they stand on Iraq or terrorism? The terrorists will attack anyone at anytime, no matter what that nations stand is.

Get your head out of the sand terrorism won't go away if we abandom the US and our policies. Thats what they want, for us to give in to them so we become easy targets and they know if attacked we run.

All you people who think we brought it on ourselves, have let them win, you have given in. Weak as **** the lot of you

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts


Because you are a duckwit, you are unable to address the 'dimwitted' reference. Is it possible we have been totally wrong?

Question for slow learners.

No its not possible we have been totally wrong, but it is possible ... no probable that you are.

I want to know if you are giving all your property and possesions to the people whose land was stolen by your forebears.

Imo you cant go around stating this is not my Australia but at the same time enjoying all it has to offer. Put up or shut up fool.

 

[London Dave]

Originally posted by fabulousphil


Im proud to be an Australian unlike yourself and if your not an Australian i hope they never let you become one.

Ahh.. the logic of a true rogue, a plea for jingoistic support.....off we go on the I am a true Australian blah blah blah....McCarthyism lives and breathes in the mind of phil, cmon, phil, wave that flag like the Nazis did son. Don't think, it'd hurt and probably make you despise yourself...and you're probably just smart enough to realise that!

Ya wasting ya breath Skilts....none are so blind as those who dont want to see, none so deaf as those who don't want to hear!

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by hourn



My original questoin basically meant.

here are a bunch of people having a great time just enjoying life - how did they bring this attack upon themselves?? they didn't!!!

my simple statement is, if we didn't bring this attack on ourselves, then how can people think that the american's who died brought this attack upon themselves. Those who died in 11/9 were simply working as they do everytime of their life, they didn't bring anything upon themselves either.

But some people who were quick to say "America brought it on themselves" haven't said anything about how "Australia brought it on themselves" (which we didn't. bbut neither did America). In there, i think there is a lot of hyprocrisy with those two statements.

I know, it wasn't directed at you..

 

[True_Roo]

Originally posted by skilts

....There is also an argument which would take too long to expose here, which says that as a result of the U.S policy of trade sanctions against the Japanese during the late 30s, Japan was left with little choice but to invade.

Skilts, I would LOVE to hear an extrapolation of this argument.

My understanding of Imperial Japan in the 1930s (and earlier) was of a country that "colonized" Manchuria, Korea, much of China (both Red & White sections), Vietnam, Burma, Malaysia, Truk (and many other Pacific Islands) etc... I don't find it that unreasonable that the U.S. imposed trade sanctions against Japan.

Later they went on to "colonize" the Phillipines, Singapore, Indonesia (who sided with the Japanese, & were happy to get away from the Dutch), Timor, much of PNG, Wake Island etc.

Originally posted by skilts
...Japan was left with little choice but to invade.

Then they sank 7+ U.S. battleships in a surprise attack on Pearl Harbour killing thousands of people, mind you, they'd already killed many-many thousands more in all of the above named countries (along with enslaving hundreds of thousands others).

Please enlighten me, where have I gone wrong with my understanding of Imperial Japanese history in the 1930s and beyond ?

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by London Dave


Ahh.. the logic of a true rogue, a plea for jingoistic support.....off we go on the I am a true Australian blah blah blah....McCarthyism lives and breathes in the mind of phil, cmon, phil, wave that flag like the Nazis did son. Don't think, it'd hurt and probably make you despise yourself...and you're probably just smart enough to realise that!

Ya wasting ya breath Skilts....none are so blind as those who dont want to see, none so deaf as those who don't want to hear!

Tend to agree Dave. No need to ask why you live elsewhere.

The opinions expressed here are the real reason there is a brain drain from this country, as there was in the 60s. John Howard/Bob Menzies have won.

It's all their's, to do whatever they will with. Oops, ended with a preposition.

I choose not to be involved, or care anymore. Leave 'em to their own fate.

I'm led to believe there's still some room left in Tasmania, even though they have no drinkable water. It's advantage is twofold: Nobody's ever heard of it and it has no targets worth bombing.

Next stop, The Falklands.

 

[London Dave]

Originally posted by skilts


No need to ask why you live elsewhere.

Actually, I live here because of work, and it's a nice place...there's still plenty of head in the sand nongs like phil over here!

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by London Dave


Actually, I live here because of work, and it's a nice place...there's still plenty of head in the sand nongs like phil over here!

Sorry, unwarranted supposition. Shouldn't try to talk on your behalf.

 

[London Dave]

Originally posted by skilts


Sorry, unwarranted supposition. Shouldn't try to talk on your behalf.

No, don't need to, let phil do that, he seems pretty good at it. But I must admit, my last trip home (during Tampa crisis last year) did make me understand the thoughts of your previous post! Some people just amaze me!

 

[AlfAndrews]

Originally posted by fabulousphil
... What is your solution to islamic fundamentalist terrorism ...

Stop driving cars.

 

[AlfAndrews]

In the days following September 11, the United States (and therefore, John Howard's Australia) declared war on "Terror". It then spent a long campaign attacking "Terror" in Afghanistan.

On several occasions since then ... in various places ... including Bali a few days ago ... "Terror" has fought back.

War is kinda like that. One side attacks the other side. The side that's been attacked fights back. And so on. And so on. People get killed. It's not good.

But it's no use going out to play a game of footy and then grizzle if you cop a few injuries. If you don't want injuries ... don't play the bloody game.

Same with war, I guess.

 

[fabulousphil]

Originally posted by skilts



Next stop, The Falklands.

Cant wait, id even chip in a few bucks for your ticket