Fixture Dimma's thought bubble: 2pts only for double up games. Win both, you get 4pts.

[jakson68]

Great idea.
The first thing people do is check the double up games, to see if a few easy points and % is coming their way.
Cant do much about % but a team like Carlton who get a free 16 points, for doubling up on North and WC, don't get a free leg up like a team who must double up on harder teams.

Until we can play each other twice (which will never happen), there has to be a way to limit such a big advantage.
Carlton and St Kilda are similar and fighting for a similar spot on the ladder.
Double up
Carlton get
North - WC - Essendon - Port - Hawks and Collingwood
St Kilda get
GWS - Cats - Freo - Richmond - Dogs and Melbourne
Whilst even my team Collingwood get
Carlton - Freo - Lions - Hawks - Adelaide - Melbourne

Hardly a fair system but then again the AFL is anything but a fair system (because we cant play each other twice

 

[MF]

Sounds absolutely stupid, however it's less stupid than our current system so...

 

[HairyO]

Collingwood would hate this given how infrequently they travel interstate.

 

[StillAtLarge]

So showdowns, derbies, Anzac Day and q clashes should only be worth 2 points!?

 

[Scotland]

Nuffington Post article.

Double ups are inevitable in an 18 team comp with a 23 game season. Soon to be 19 teams, too.

Collingwood beat Brisbane at the Gabba. That's a huge win the context of teams vying for top 4 positions. Is Dimma seriously suggesting they should be on 6.5 wins until they beat Brisbane again, which would put it on equal pegging with beating WC once?

 

[Billy ray]

Dimma been reading my posts

first mentioned by me 10 years ago

Proposed 17-5 three tier fixture

the final six rounds would be a hell of a lot more interesting right now if this fixture was in place. Not to mention more just. The season is teetering with boredom for about 9 teams at the moment. They have nothing to play for and it's making games as dull as dishwater.

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Proposed 17-5 three tier fixture

Due to the number of teams in Victoria, 3 of 6 doesn't work. Rather 2 of 4 and 2 of 5 fits the club structure better. ADE - FRE - PA - WCE BL - GC - GWS - SYD CAR - COL - MEL - RIC - STK ESS - GEE - HAW - NM - WB Can still maintain a 22 match per team season with this. Clubs in the same...

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Why are supporters not more upset about the sham of the AFL fixture?

Forget anything except a 22 game H&A season. That is locked in stone. Here are some of the solutions; A) Current System, 17 + 5 (11 h/a) with the 5, with a majority of games from your group of 6 from previous year. B) 17 + 5, with the 5 being exclusively from your group of 6 from the previous...

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Length of season

18 weeks with the rivalry round. Each Vic side travels to WA, SA, NSW and Qld once. Each team gets at least 1 Friday and 1 Saturday night fixture. Bye after round 9 with AFLW all star game and VFL v SANFL game with AFL listed but yet to debut players eligible. Bye pre finals with u/18 all...

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ON AFL'S FIXTURE - Proposal

I like it, but that is the reason why I tried something different. I went all 'old-VFL' in the proposal above, since Victorian teams draw well against each other. not practical... but if the AFL had an All Victorian Conference, the conference's Grand Final (guaranteed to be 2 Victorian sides...

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TAS - Tassie... happening?

That has what to do with what I said? Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk If you went to nightclubs and saw how many AFL players were there you would probably change your tune.

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True Wildcard System Considered by the AFL, Revisited

Why does the AFL endorse air travel, there's a potential risk the plane could go down and wipe out a team. Similar risk with cars/buses. Horse and cart ftw. And why bother with a salary cap. Teams could rort it and in fact they're incentivised to do so, undermining the competition as a whole...

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The state of the Giants and Suns

Ps. It is horrendous

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Round 1 2021 Fixture Confirmed

I actually don’t understand what he’s complaining about when his own team is the beneficiary of this corruption he bangs on about with the easiest fixture of the top 6 teams, despite being only a kick away from the grand final. Very strange. Don't say that, you will ruin his day if the AFL did...

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Thé fixture

Sorry couldn’t find any other news on this. do we have any idea when the next dates for games will be released? We only have the next 4 rounds. they are all telling us to go on holidays but it’s not possible to organise week-end footy trips without knowing when the games will be on. and yes...

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[Sentinel]

Bad idea for the home and away ladder. One reason, amongst others already mentioned, being that suddenly all of the AFL's 'blockbuster' fixtures between big rivals (Showdowns, Derbys, ANZAC Day, Queens Birthday etc) are worth half the value of the Sunday twilight cellar dwellar fixture when it comes to competition points. And do clubs strategically rest up players for the 2 point games, compared to the more valuable 4 point games?

Good idea for the McClelland Trophy criteria and should already be implemented here.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Great idea.
The first thing people do is check the double up games, to see if a few easy points and % is coming their way.
Cant do much about % but a team like Carlton who get a free 16 points, for doubling up on North and WC, don't get a free leg up like a team who must double up on harder teams.

Until we can play each other twice (which will never happen), there has to be a way to limit such a big advantage.
Carlton and St Kilda are similar and fighting for a similar spot on the ladder.
Double up
Carlton get
North - WC - Essendon - Port - Hawks and Collingwood
St Kilda get
GWS - Cats - Freo - Richmond - Dogs and Melbourne
Whilst even my team Collingwood get
Carlton - Freo - Lions - Hawks - Adelaide - Melbourne

Hardly a fair system but then again the AFL is anything but a fair system (because we cant play each other twice

You can actually just do the same with % and multiply through the points for/against from the dibble up by 0.5.

You can arithmetically turn a double up have into one game no problem.

There will be a weird quirk where a draw in a double up will mean one team ends up with 3 premiership points and the other 1, but it's not that consequential

 

[The Feeder Club]

Bad idea for the home and away ladder. One reason, amongst others already mentioned, being that suddenly all of the AFL's 'blockbuster' fixtures between big rivals (Showdowns, Derbys, ANZAC Day, Queens Birthday etc) are worth half the value of the Sunday twilight cellar dwellar fixture when it comes to competition points. And do clubs strategically rest up players for the 2 point games, compared to the more valuable 4 point games?

Good idea for the McClelland Trophy criteria and should already be implemented here.

Derbies is true, but ANZAC Day isn't always a double up is it? Do Collingwood and Essendon play each other twice every year?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Nuffington Post article.

Double ups are inevitable in an 18 team comp with a 23 game season. Soon to be 19 teams, too.

Collingwood beat Brisbane at the Gabba. That's a huge win the context of teams vying for top 4 positions. Is Dimma seriously suggesting they should be on 6.5 wins until they beat Brisbane again, which would put it on equal pegging with beating WC once?

You can sit them on the full win then halve the result once the double up is played.

 

[Sentinel]

Derbies is true, but ANZAC Day isn't always a double up is it? Do Collingwood and Essendon play each other twice every year?

They're actually not doubling up this year. However, excluding 2020 (covid, but they were fixtured to originally), they've doubled up every year since 1991 other than in 2016. So not every year, but as good as.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Bad idea for the home and away ladder. One reason, amongst others already mentioned, being that suddenly all of the AFL's 'blockbuster' fixtures between big rivals (Showdowns, Derbys, ANZAC Day, Queens Birthday etc) are worth half the value of the Sunday twilight cellar dwellar fixture when it comes to competition points. And do clubs strategically rest up players for the 2 point games, compared to the more valuable 4 point games?

Good idea for the McClelland Trophy criteria and should already be implemented here.

I don't think you'd see the scenario where a side rests players against better teams because it's only 2 points on offer. Two sides that both expect to go top 4 will get a fair bit more than just 2 points out of that match.

You may see that with a cross town rival side where one is massive above the other, but given you'd only see that for derbies or showdowns etc I doubt that would happen either

 

[Sentinel]

I don't think you'd see the scenario where a side rests players against better teams because it's only 2 points on offer. Two sides that both expect to go top 4 will get a fair bit more than just 2 points out of that match.

You may see that with a cross town rival side where one is massive above the other, but given you'd only see that for derbies or showdowns etc I doubt that would happen either

Not necessarily talking about better/worse teams, but if you've got player due for a rest over the next few weeks and 1 of your games is a 2 point match compared to the others being 4 point matches, all other things equal it generally would make the most sense to do it in the lower value game.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not necessarily talking about better/worse teams, but if you've got player due for a rest over the next few weeks and 1 of your games is a 2 point match compared to the others being 4 point matches, all other things equal it generally would make the most sense to do it in the lower value game.

Yeah maybe, but I think getting that choice is probably rare, whereas getting one sided double ups is a guarantee baked into the competition that gives us a ton of unwatchable games where we could have extra top 6 match ups

 

[Drought Break]

Not necessary.

If teams stumble into the 8 because they dined out on cellar dwellers twice they get found out in the opening week.

If they managed to have a strong final series (ala WB 2017) and win 4 games - they probably deserve the premiership.

True. That’s why we see a 60 to nil halftime finals score.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Interesting that the top 8 in 2024 would have stayed the same.

 

[cryptor]

Maybe make it so the second H&A win against a team from the previous years bottom 6 only gets you 2 premiership points rather than 4.

Not perfect but it also somewhat addresses the secondary benefit of getting to play a really weak team twice by reducing the influence of percentage on ladder position.

 

[projectv]

Just remove the double ups from the fixture.

We don't need creative solutions for stupid problems.

 

[lalorGOAT]

If your team is good enough, they will make finals no matter what.

 

[lalorGOAT]

Just remove the double ups from the fixture.

We don't need creative solutions for stupid problems.

Too much revenue would be lost.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Interesting that the top 8 in 2024 would have stayed the same.

I'm a bit surprised by this

 

[The Feeder Club]

Changing which teams gets top 4 and a double chance, and which team gets the #1 draft pick, are reasonably significant

 

[Billy ray]

Too much revenue would be lost.

Make weeks 1-3 of finals all best of three series. That makes up some lost games

 

[Freomaniac]

He's lost the plot.

Yes and no.

Yes because he is saying some crazy things.

I think Damien Hardwick realised it's very hard for non Victorian sides to make finals

 

[Freomaniac]

Half point games would be less exciting. SO make them half price to attend, along with half price beers and food.

Nah this is the AFL. They will charge you double the price for half strength beer lol