Review Do we need a new coach? Part 2

[TheSmokingGun]

...if we are 1&5 or 2&4. You never know we could be 6&0 and Hardwick looking at a contract extension on his desk, we do that at Richmond.

I'd love it if we were 6 & 0. At least it would prove we can actually start well for once.

 

[tigs2010]

this stood out literally from day one with

Only time Jordan Russell went near an opponent

 

[Rayzorwire]

Then why are Richmond going with Hardwick again, money over success?

Just ordinary garden variety lack of vision and courage IMO.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

That's simple to answer as DH has a taxing game plan which is played in lots changes of directions for players. This ultimately leads to player fatigue and injuries. What happened this year in terms of injuries ?

You're taking the piss here.

 

[Rayzorwire]

So glad you mentioned this stuff. I was thinking about posting up earlier the amount of players who didn't get much of a game from mid 2009 (Jade the Blade), and then the amount that got delisted just days before Hardwick was appointed, a lot of them were better than what we got in 2010.
There is a reason why we only won 5 games that year and finished so low in 2009 and although Wallace deserved the chop, he was only there for half a season.
DH still seems to want give 50 games away, rather than playing best available each week. And last year was a classic 2010 & 2011.
The biggest problem for me is he seems to have all these preconceived notions and doesn't change them & doesn't learn.

No doubt he turned us into Fitzroy quite deliberately, to teach his premiership winning game plan to kids we'd drafted who he swore were good enough to win a premiership.

And here we are, still stuck with the least successful coach in history.

I think he has changed and learned a bit along the way, but it's clearly been forced upon him and when it's worked better than the mess he was making, he's been happy to own it.

 

[Rayzorwire]

I take it that Beveridge has replaced SKH as the coach to aspire to be like. Hopefully for Dogs fans he doesn't get exposed like SKH has been over the last couple of years.

You're just still sore that you spent years insisting that Hardwick was a coach with a plan to win a flag which he was executing to perfection. Good luck with all that.

Got any reasons why Beveridge shouldn't be the type of coach we aspire to have? See any similarities between the game plan Beveridge installed and the one I've been advocating since I got here?

 

[TigerImposter]

You're taking the piss here.

Not really as forcing people to do things that is unnatural often leads to disaster.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Not really as forcing people to do things that is unnatural often leads to disaster.

You're looking way way too deeply into it and need to have some summer down time away from the Tigers I think!

 

[Helen Wheels]

people think we got him for free when in actual fact we could have. Yet he's cost us

When you say We and Us, who do you mean? Shouldn't you be saying You and Them?

 

[CoggaRules]

Not really as forcing people to do things that is unnatural often leads to disaster.

this just in from pre-season training..its dimmas new weapon in his quest to get his game plan to work

But on a more serious note, any news yet? have they sacked him?

 

[_RT_]

Doubt they'd care after he's already delivered a flag

Surely they would want to have more than the one flag to celebrate.

You're just still sore that you spent years insisting that Hardwick was a coach with a plan to win a flag which he was executing to perfection. Good luck with all that.

Got any reasons why Beveridge shouldn't be the type of coach we aspire to have? See any similarities between the game plan Beveridge installed and the one I've been advocating since I got here?

Not sore at all just amused at how it seems to be that when a new young coach comes in and has a little success they become the type of coach we need to bring in.

When Hardwick was brought in it was because he had a plan to deliver sustained success. Prior to this year we we tracking well having played 3 finals series in a row, something that hadn't been achieved by the club in 40 odd years.

So the question is do we want flash in the pan success or to achieve sustainable success.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

this stood out literally from day one with

Yep. Good old Tommy Hislop was never going to be an A, B of even C grader.....

 

[TigerImposter]

You're looking way way too deeply into it and need to have some summer down time away from the Tigers I think!

Don't think too hard RD as we're all having Tiger down time ATM .Unless you're one of those blokes that gets excited with preseason hype?
I wouldn't think so as A bloke your age and ilk would know better by now.We did have a surprisingly high injury list considering we greatly trained preseason employing the game plan. Possibly just a coincidence bc we had such a high list of battlers who were asked to go over and above their capabilities

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Surely they would want to have more than the one flag to celebrate.


Not sore at all just amused at how it seems to be that when a new young coach comes in and has a little success they become the type of coach we need to bring in.

When Hardwick was brought in it was because he had a plan to deliver sustained success. Prior to this year we we tracking well having played 3 finals series in a row, something that hadn't been achieved by the club in 40 odd years.

So the question is do we want flash in the pan success or to achieve sustainable success.

Well, those 3 years, even though better than previous efforts, were hardly sustained success. You cannot ignore 2016 either as 2017 may also be poor. So after 7 years we have not achieved "success" of any sort. I don't define success as being a little better than poor. Certainly never looking like being a top 4 team and thus never looking like a premiership threat is hardly anything to gloat about.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

LOL this thread

yep thats why i'm no longer buying into any argument, just winds up an endless loop with no resolution.

 

[Helen Wheels]

Don't think too hard RD as we're all having Tiger down time ATM .Unless you're one of those blokes that gets excited with preseason hype?
I wouldn't think so as A bloke your age and ilk would know better by now.We did have a surprisingly high injury list considering we greatly trained preseason employing the game plan. Possibly just a coincidence bc we had such a high list of battlers who were asked to go over and above their capabilities

You should provide this information to RFC, along with the Coburg proposal ... oh, wait ...

 

[TigerImposter]

Give me a flag any day over long term sustained success in achieving mediocrity.
In the end you cannot disguise that DH is the longest serving coach in the history of the game that has not achieved any finals success.
This delivering of sustained success gets lost at about four years and we are entering our eighth.
I haven't got time to watch Dimmangelo painting the Sistine PRO with a eye liner brush for the next decade.

 

[Helen Wheels]

Give me a flag any day over long term sustained success in achieving mediocrity.

If we (not you) won a flag, you would say the opposition was weak. Jesus, I'd love to hear you carrying on if Hardwick was coaching.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

yep thats why i'm no longer buying into any argument, just winds up an endless loop with no resolution.

True. Until the club can be taken as something more than a good place to work out at, then all this talk just goes back and forth.
The coach must know he is facing his Waterloo this year. Will he end up being the Duke of Wellington or Napoleon? Only time will tell.

 

[TigerImposter]

check out how good the black is on those reebok jumpers

wrong thread mate.

 

[TheProwler]

Where did i say he had no say at all? He wouod give his imput and say maybe we need to improve our midfield, but he certainly wouldn't say go get me prestia, and caddy i want them, thats list management who also have the final say.

The coach has more input than you realise boy.

 

[TigerImposter]

The coach has more input than you realise boy.

Otherwise why would clubs bother with them or even change them?Wouldn't you just get rid of everybody else?

 

[Not Important]

When the ONLY reason he is still coach is because they gave him a 2 year extension, he will have to withstand a lot more than a few posters on an internet footy forum being critical, to survive.

there are enough non tigers potting him without those purporting to be tigers doing it as well.

he now has plenty of support and more than a few good additions to the list.

he deserves a chance without people like you running him down.

Another alias

 

[Ancient Tiger]

there are enough non tigers potting him without those purporting to be tigers doing it as well.

he now has plenty of support and more than a few good additions to the list.

he deserves a chance without people like you running him down.

One of the most ridiculous posts ever. This is an internet footy forum. How can anyone run him down from here? FFS he's had 7 years and you still think he needs a chance? People like you are why we have had no success for 36 years. You like to wallow in mediocrity. Why don't you go take this mediocrity away and follow another team? If you can't be critical of your own team's performances then they will never improve.

 

[_RT_]

Well, those 3 years, even though better than previous efforts, were hardly sustained success. You cannot ignore 2016 either as 2017 may also be poor. So after 7 years we have not achieved "success" of any sort. I don't define success as being a little better than poor. Certainly never looking like being a top 4 team and thus never looking like a premiership threat is hardly anything to gloat about.

Never claimed that it was, just stated that we were on track with the plan to achieve it. 2016 was a massive let down but given we'd played finals 3 3 straight seasons, but prior to that it was 2 in 30 seasons.

A club we should be aiming to be like is Sydney. They have played finals in 18 of the last 21 seasons, in that time they have played in 6 Grand Finals winning 2. Prior to that they had played in 6 finals series over 60 years. That is achieving sustained success after a long period of constant failure.

But it seems everyone wants success now and every year moving forward. Every time a club jumps up they seem to be the ones we should emulate not the ones that are there year after year.