Does Murphy get to 300?

[17SetMeFree]

If you're a 15yo today and barrack for the blues, you'd have to rely on youtube to see how good murphy was , week in, week out

 

[azzablue16]

I would not give Murphy another game after the putrid performance coming on as medical sub on the weekend. If he cannot impact a game where he holds all the aces, what is the point of picking him?

To those who say 'he has been a loyal servant of the club', yadda yadda, therefore deserves to continue playing - On that logic John Nichols should be lining up in a forward pocket alongside Sticks Kernahan every week and Bruce Doull patrolling the half back line. It's a nuts argument.

Sorry Murph. No 300 for you. You are not up to the required standard WRT effort, leadership, and grit.

Our season is shot again for carrying passengers and it having 22 committed players out there , we can blame injuries , bad luck or whatever but end of the day , another season is over

so Murphy and casboult need to get out of the team ASAP ( won’t happen ) and we move on for the rest of the year

absolute disaster of a year , get ready for some hurt a big loss coming , effort almost zapped out of Walsh , McKay and a couple of others who have been carrying us

the Jones/weiters getting knocked over by buddy summed up our whole year !! Laughable

 

[1981]

Our season is shot again for carrying passengers and it having 22 committed players out there , we can blame injuries , bad luck or whatever but end of the day , another season is over

so Murphy and casboult need to get out of the team ASAP ( won’t happen ) and we move on for the rest of the year

absolute disaster of a year , get ready for some hurt a big loss coming , effort almost zapped out of Walsh , McKay and a couple of others who have been carrying us

the Jones/weiters getting knocked over by buddy summed up our whole year !! Laughable

Interesting post.
Time will tell.
I wonder if Walsh got hurt.
But yes they looked flat.
Will learn a lot on Sunday.

 

[jj1978]

Problem is, would we have to not make him medical sub for his 300th? Doesn't really matter anyway, season is done, play him at full back for all I care.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Its a tough one.. he is fringe best 22 with us not making finals we should be replacing him with youth.. but he is so close and as a club getting a former skipper to 300 games in a year that means squat should be an achievement, make him the sub for the next 5 weeks and then let him play on his 300th.

 

[BlueBayou]

Problem is, would we have to not make him medical sub for his 300th? Doesn't really matter anyway, season is done, play him at full back for all I care.

You might need to provide GPS co-ordinates, a map and a seeing eye dog to get Murphy that far down back.

 

[JustaBattler]

Teague likes having Murphy / Eddie in the forward half because they have a footy brain and once in a while do special things. Martin/Fisher/SOJ/McGovern have all been injured off and on or still....Cuningham got injured - there hasn't been a bunch of players pushing hard for selection to replace either.

eg I knew SPS would be in trouble as a HBF as soon as we signed Saad and Williams and factoring in Newman and Marchbank before they got injured.

Our list isn't balanced across all lines - either development time has been short for blokes like Honey or injury has stalled newer blokes like Philp, Carroll...

If everything was going to plan as far as availability goes- Murph probably doesn't get a start - but things haven't gone to plan. None of this is Murph's fault.

He will play when required so depending on the fitness of next best alternative he plays or doesn't - I think that was the decision made and last week underlined by his omission - lets be honest here, Gibbons was preferred to Murphy for that game and Gibbo has been in poor form.

 

[mr_robot]

Let's face it, Murphy up until maybe 2012/13 was awesome. In 2011 he was unstoppable. But that's 10 years ago. Metcards still existed then..
He has been on a slow decline from that point onwards in my opinion. Yes, granted he copped some heavy knocks that hindered his performance and want to put his body on the line, but some of his efforts (or lack thereof) as skipper during our toughest period put the nail in the coffin for me.

Murph up until 100-150 games, I applaud you. Murph thereafter, a reflection of our subpar culture and club standards. He's been one of our highest paid throughout, and gotten an armchair ride with conditional efforts for the past 5 years. Doesn't deserve 300 games but this club rewards mediocrity and loves warm and fuzzy stories over building a successful culture.

Anyone wondered why he has not once played a game in the reserves? Not a single one. Think that speaks volumes. I mean, even Judd took the whack and played twos coming back from injury.

Congrats on 300 games if you get there, Murph. 150 great, 150 not so much.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Teague likes having Murphy / Eddie in the forward half because they have a footy brain and once in a while do special things. Martin/Fisher/SOJ/McGovern have all been injured off and on or still....Cuningham got injured - there hasn't been a bunch of players pushing hard for selection to replace either.

eg I knew SPS would be in trouble as a HBF as soon as we signed Saad and Williams and factoring in Newman and Marchbank before they got injured.

Our list isn't balanced across all lines - either development time has been short for blokes like Honey or injury has stalled newer blokes like Philp, Carroll...

If everything was going to plan as far as availability goes- Murph probably doesn't get a start - but things haven't gone to plan. None of this is Murph's fault.

He will play when required so depending on the fitness of next best alternative he plays or doesn't - I think that was the decision made and last week underlined by his omission - lets be honest here, Gibbons was preferred to Murphy for that game and Gibbo has been in poor form.

I see no reason why Murph can't play as a high HF. Push up to the wings a bit, deliver the ball inside 50, give us 15-20 touches and pop up for a goal or two here and there. The problem is, he isn't. Whether that's because of instructions, or just lack of effort, I have no idea, but it's frustrating that he COULD be playing a vital role, but ISN'T.

 

[JustaBattler]

I see no reason why Murph can't play as a high HF. Push up to the wings a bit, deliver the ball inside 50, give us 15-20 touches and pop up for a goal or two here and there. The problem is, he isn't. Whether that's because of instructions, or just lack of effort, I have no idea, but it's frustrating that he COULD be playing a vital role, but ISN'T.

Players can only do what they can do - same for all people. I used to be able to hit 270 meter drives - now I can't. Age catches up with everyone and expresses itself in different ways. Footballers who lose their speed compensate by playing smarter but playing smarter alone doesn't completely compensate for diminished physical ability and each year accelerates the diffrence between an old player and the rest.

If you read what I wrote it puts Murphy's position on the list in context.

We've been dealt a crap hand with injuries this year- again. I doubt Murphy was in anyone's starting 22 let alone 18 after the bye this year. However we have definite younger starting players out - and the really young kids have had a crap situation as far as development opportunity goes last year- and now this year due to Covid.

My forward line had:

Cuningham Charlie Martin
McGovern Harry Fisher

as the starting players....with SOJ on the IC: bench


see the difference that injuries make to a side- we (literally have 5/6 starting players OUT and have had this situation whilst playing a very tough draw re established teams.

People kid themselves about our chances when we have had so many injured.

Murphy isn't the answer to any question worth asking and whether he gets to 300 or not as a depth player is just a sideshow for me anyway.

 

[Sector 7G]

Players can only do what they can do - same for all people. I used to be able to hit 270 meter drives - now I can't. Age catches up with everyone and expresses itself in different ways. Footballers who lose their speed compensate by playing smarter but playing smarter alone doesn't completely compensate for diminished physical ability and each year accelerates the diffrence between an old player and the rest.

If you read what I wrote it puts Murphy's position on the list in context.

We've been dealt a crap hand with injuries this year- again. I doubt Murphy was in anyone's starting 22 let alone 18 after the bye this year. However we have definite younger starting players out - and the really young kids have had a crap situation as far as development opportunity goes last year- and now this year due to Covid.

My forward line had:

Cuningham Charlie Martin
McGovern Harry Fisher

as the starting players....with SOJ on the IC: bench


see the difference that injuries make to a side- we (literally have 5/6 starting players OUT and have had this situation whilst playing a very tough draw re established teams.

People kid themselves about our chances when we have had so many injured.

Murphy isn't the answer to any question worth asking and whether he gets to 300 or not as a depth player is just a sideshow for me anyway.

Problem for ageing superstars is they can get by on their game smarts against lesser opposition out get found out when the game speeds up against the better sides and his lack of pressure exposes everyone else.

 

[LanceRomance]

Let's face it, Murphy up until maybe 2012/13 was awesome. In 2011 he was unstoppable. But that's 10 years ago. Metcards still existed then..
He has been on a slow decline from that point onwards in my opinion. Yes, granted he copped some heavy knocks that hindered his performance and want to put his body on the line, but some of his efforts (or lack thereof) as skipper during our toughest period put the nail in the coffin for me.

Murph up until 100-150 games, I applaud you. Murph thereafter, a reflection of our subpar culture and club standards. He's been one of our highest paid throughout, and gotten an armchair ride with conditional efforts for the past 5 years. Doesn't deserve 300 games but this club rewards mediocrity and loves warm and fuzzy stories over building a successful culture.

Anyone wondered why he has not once played a game in the reserves? Not a single one. Think that speaks volumes. I mean, even Judd took the whack and played twos coming back from injury.

Congrats on 300 games if you get there, Murph. 150 great, 150 not so much.

He copped a series of nasty injuries from dangerfield and Hodge.

 

[BlueJet]

Interesting that those supposedly interested in setting standards aren't lining up to drop others with similar inadequacies without the runs on the board.
He's a spent force and the club needs to move beyond him but some of the attitudes on display regarding someone that has broken his body for the club are pathetic.
Whether he makes it or not, he's been a good servant during some bleak times and deserves more respect.

 

[BlueBayou]

Murph could have left for big bucks throughout his career. Always chose to stay a blue. That loyalty should be repaid.

So Bruce Doull, John Nichols, Swan McKay, Mark McClure, Geoff Southby and countless others should still be playing according to this logic? They aren't because they are PAST IT. So is Murph, and he has been for at least the last 50 games or so

 

[Red Bull]

Interesting that those supposedly interested in setting standards aren't lining up to drop others with similar inadequacies without the runs on the board.
He's a spent force and the club needs to move beyond him but some of the attitudes on display regarding someone that has broken his body for the club are pathetic.
Whether he makes it or not, he's been a good servant during some bleak times and deserves more respect.

Murphy knows what’s required to play at the level.
He either can’t or won’t these days.
Either way, the respect would have been universal if he had been honest and called it a day last season.
Another payday and a personal milestone shouldn’t be the reason to continue.
It’s become a sad ending to an otherwise distinguished career ...

 

[thylacine60]

He copped a series of nasty injuries from Copeland, Dangerfield x2 and Hodge.

 

[azzablue16]

Let's face it, Murphy up until maybe 2012/13 was awesome. In 2011 he was unstoppable. But that's 10 years ago. Metcards still existed then..
He has been on a slow decline from that point onwards in my opinion. Yes, granted he copped some heavy knocks that hindered his performance and want to put his body on the line, but some of his efforts (or lack thereof) as skipper during our toughest period put the nail in the coffin for me.

Murph up until 100-150 games, I applaud you. Murph thereafter, a reflection of our subpar culture and club standards. He's been one of our highest paid throughout, and gotten an armchair ride with conditional efforts for the past 5 years. Doesn't deserve 300 games but this club rewards mediocrity and loves warm and fuzzy stories over building a successful culture.

Anyone wondered why he has not once played a game in the reserves? Not a single one. Think that speaks volumes. I mean, even Judd took the whack and played twos coming back from injury.

Congrats on 300 games if you get there, Murph. 150 great, 150 not so much.

Carlton is run like a business and his 300th will sell merchandise and get people thru the gate , with big crowds anticipated

they didn’t bank on us being continually crap and not winning games that matter

it Was a all or nothing gamble that has now exploded in their faces

crowds won’t be turning up anymore because the season is shot ... hilarious !!
And I agree with you he was done a very long time ago

 

[btdg]

You don't change the culture of a club by dropping former stars to make a point.

You change culture by getting them to buy into what you want from them - demonstrate sacrifice etc.

Murphy still has a place and a role at the club right now. How he is treated, how he responds, the example he sets for the young guys matters, and not just his tackling, but the way he approaches match days and his lesser role

He will get to 300 - he's only 6 games off and as aveteran who can play forward and mid and at least be comfortable out there he's a good choice as injury sub. 6 games takes us to 5 left for the year which is perfect 'play the kids' time, although given the injuries we are carrying he might end up playing the year (if we send Cripps off for as surgery and 1-2 other Murohy might have to play just to give us a midfield)

 

[gab213]

I want Murphy to get to 300 games, but it doesn't feel as good when Simmo got to his 300/350 milestone.

I can understand that but the funny thing is that had they been playing in a different era where we had a very strong team Simmo probably would have played half the games he ended up playing maybe and Murphy would have had probably a better career than he has.

 

[bmaurizio]

He copped a series of nasty injuries from dangerfield and Hodge.

Don’t forget Copland’s hit too, smashed Marc’s shoulder badly, petty parochialism in those days, ridiculous mentality, Murphy was already showing very early days that he would be an elite footballer.
Great CFC player, 2 times All Australian , Bes t& Fairest & Captain for many years.

 

[azzablue16]

Don’t forget Copland’s hit too, smashed Marc’s shoulder badly, petty parochialism in those days, ridiculous mentality, Murphy was already showing very early days that he would be an elite footballer.
Great CFC player, 2 times All Australian , Bes t& Fairest & Captain for many years.

He was well compensated financially over the years , he didn’t do it for free and his past record many many years ago doesn’t justify him been carried !!

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Let's face it, Murphy up until maybe 2012/13 was awesome. In 2011 he was unstoppable. But that's 10 years ago. Metcards still existed then..
He has been on a slow decline from that point onwards in my opinion. Yes, granted he copped some heavy knocks that hindered his performance and want to put his body on the line, but some of his efforts (or lack thereof) as skipper during our toughest period put the nail in the coffin for me.

Murph up until 100-150 games, I applaud you. Murph thereafter, a reflection of our subpar culture and club standards. He's been one of our highest paid throughout, and gotten an armchair ride with conditional efforts for the past 5 years. Doesn't deserve 300 games but this club rewards mediocrity and loves warm and fuzzy stories over building a successful culture.

Anyone wondered why he has not once played a game in the reserves? Not a single one. Think that speaks volumes. I mean, even Judd took the whack and played twos coming back from injury.

Congrats on 300 games if you get there, Murph. 150 great, 150 not so much.

I agree with your sentiment, although believe your overly harsh. I don’t think anyone should question Murphy effort and commitment to the cause, however after his shoulder injury he was just never the same player.. his biggest weakness post injury was andstill is his inability to stick tackles, opposition midfielders knew this and just walked straight through him and as tackles in the centre became a bigger feature of the game, it exposed Murph even more and the last 3 years became a liability in the middle. Again none of this was his fault, his body just wouldn’t allow him to do it and it wasn’t for lack of trying.

hopefully he gets to 300, however he should not have.. a good strong club (which we ain’t) would have asked him to retire at the seasons end and given him all the fan fare, instead we allowed him to play on as a fringe beat 22 player in a role he was never going to be any good at.

 

[Koutamightafides]

This is why we will never amount to shit on the field , nursing a player to 300 that doesn't tackle , doesn't shepherd and doesn't do the team first thing . If he plays on next year it shows how our selection integrity is a joke .

 

[thylacine60]

Don’t forget Copland’s hit too, smashed Marc’s shoulder badly, petty parochialism in those days, ridiculous mentality, Murphy was already showing very early days that he would be an elite footballer.
Great CFC player, 2 times All Australian , Bes t& Fairest & Captain for many years.

was runaway leader of the rs at the time................

 

[BigFrizz36]

Let's face it, Murphy up until maybe 2012/13 was awesome. In 2011 he was unstoppable. But that's 10 years ago. Metcards still existed then..
He has been on a slow decline from that point onwards in my opinion. Yes, granted he copped some heavy knocks that hindered his performance and want to put his body on the line, but some of his efforts (or lack thereof) as skipper during our toughest period put the nail in the coffin for me.

Murph up until 100-150 games, I applaud you. Murph thereafter, a reflection of our subpar culture and club standards. He's been one of our highest paid throughout, and gotten an armchair ride with conditional efforts for the past 5 years. Doesn't deserve 300 games but this club rewards mediocrity and loves warm and fuzzy stories over building a successful culture.

Anyone wondered why he has not once played a game in the reserves? Not a single one. Think that speaks volumes. I mean, even Judd took the whack and played twos coming back from injury.

Congrats on 300 games if you get there, Murph. 150 great, 150 not so much.

Fairly good effort for a player who has been on a steady decline from 2011 to win the b & f in 2017 and be runner up in 2014 & 2015.
No problems in agreeing that he is struggling but some proper context is required.