Society/Culture Does the Australian flag have an image problem?

[Carringbush2010]

The current flag has an image problem to those who view it as an image problem.

I'd imagine those who view it as a problem are highly likely to be a minority.

Same as dimwitted 'bogans', definitely a minority.

I feel for those that view our current flag as offensive, it's not meant to be offensive. Probs a good thing those with an axe to grind about it are a minority.

 

[Number37]

Fun facts:

We have had 4 plebiscites.

1. Conscription (1916).... was rejected.
2. Commit more armed forces to WW1 (1917)... was rejected.
3. National anthem (1977) ....we chose Advance Australia Fair.
4. Change the Marriage Act (2017) ....was accepted.

IMO (1) and (2) can be taken as rejections of our flag, insofar as even back 100 years ago Australians weren't too keen on the idea of being led around by the nose by the British.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The current flag has an image problem to those who view it as an image problem.

I'd imagine those who view it as a problem are highly likely to be a minority.

Same as dimwitted 'bogans', definitely a minority.

I feel for those that view our current flag as offensive, it's not meant to be offensive. Probs a good thing those with an axe to grind about it are a minority.

Yeah but is the current flag necessary?

I think not.

 

[tandino]

I don't mind adapting the colours from the current Aboriginal flag, but I could see how the Torres Strait Islanders might not appreciate their flag being ignored.

Probably a good reason to lean towards one single national symbol.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yeah but is the current flag necessary?

I think not.

Is any flag necessary?

Flags identify a nation, a club, whatever.

Is having nations, clubs, whatever necessary?

As far as clubs go, the immediate thought is your club and mine, the flag / emblems identifies them. Are those clubs necessary and by further extension the competition they're in?

This is a very open ended question you have Ghosty.

Our current flag identifies us as what and who we are as a nation, to the disdain of minorities - changing the flag will not change who we are as a nation and our history. Similarly changing the flag will be to a dislike of other minorities

One can like it or lump whatever the flag is now or whatever it will be in the future. I pity those that spend energy being p155ed off at what either represent.

 

[tandino]

Is any flag necessary?

Flags identify a nation, a club, whatever.

Is having nations, clubs, whatever necessary?

As far as clubs go, the immediate thought is your club and mine, the flag / emblems identifies them. Are those clubs necessary and by further extension the competition they're in?

What's the point of life anyway.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Is any flag necessary?

Flags identify a nation, a club, whatever.

Is having nations, clubs, whatever necessary?

As far as clubs go, the immediate thought is your club and mine, the flag / emblems identifies them. Are those clubs necessary and by further extension the competition they're in?

This is a very open ended question you have Ghosty.

Our current flag identifies us as what and who we are as a nation, to the disdain of minorities - changing the flag will not change who we are as a nation and our history. Similarly changing the flag will be to a dislike of other minorities

One can like it or lump whatever the flag is now or whatever it will be in the future. I pity those that spend energy being p155ed off at what either represent.

I think it's a false flag installed by the English bureaucracy.

You can tell by the union jack they superimposed over the top.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think it's a false flag installed by the English bureaucracy.

You can tell by the union jack they superimposed over the top.

Yes that's obvious that the english did that, it happened, if you change the flag to rid it of the union jack it will not change what happened.

Then you'll have minorities not happy that the union jack is removed, and other minorities appeased.

Still doesn't change history of our nation, even if as a nation we have a referendum to delete records of history, it still happened.

You can boil it down and dissect it anyway you wish, it still happened.

Then what?

 

[rank and file]

I think it's a false flag installed by the English bureaucracy.

You can tell by the union jack they superimposed over the top.

Lol
You can tell that you don't know what a false flag is.

Let's be super progressive and have a Southern Cross flag with a rainbow.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yes that's obvious that the english did that, it happened, if you change the flag to rid it of the union jack it will not change what happened.

Then you'll have minorities not happy that the union jack is removed, and other minorities appeased.

Still doesn't change history of our nation, even if as a nation we have a referendum to delete records of history, it still happened.

You can boil it down and dissect it anyway you wish, it still happened.

Then what?

Changing the flag is not about history.

It's about the future.

 

[ElectricG]

The type of people who have an issue with the current flag would find an issue with any new one after a decade or two.

 

[cartwright]

The type of people who have an issue with the current flag would find an issue with any new one after a decade or two.

The type of people who don’t have an issue with the flag, think it’s still 1953.

 

[cartwright]

The current flag has an image problem to those who view it as an image problem.

I'd imagine those who view it as a problem are highly likely to be a minority.

Same as dimwitted 'bogans', definitely a minority.

I feel for those that view our current flag as offensive, it's not meant to be offensive. Probs a good thing those with an axe to grind about it are a minority.

Who said it’s offensive?

 

[ElectricG]

The type of people who don’t have an issue with the flag, think it’s still 1953.

Why do you say that mate?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Changing the flag is not about history.

It's about the future.

Well it's not just about the future, any flag is an identity, represents past, present and future.

Whatever flag is the future, if indeed there is, will not change history.

Whether or not that is palatable to some or many will not change history. Changing history is not possible, trying to delete or sticking your fingers in yours trying to drown it out is futile.

Accepting history and learning from it is much more productive.

Surely you'd have to agree with that.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Who said it’s offensive?

I could go through the SRP pages and link many many examples, just for starters.

You already knew that though.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The type of people who don’t have an issue with the flag, think it’s still 1953.

That's a very narrow minded opinion.

 

[Evolved1]

I actually really like the first one, even if it seems to be smuggling Essendon colours onto the flag by stealth.

Make the red an angled sash instead and I'll take the second one.

 

[Boston tiger]

Of the union jacks I think ours looks the best. Great military flag and in the end isn’t that what flags are all about.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Of the union jacks I think ours looks the best. Great military flag and in the end isn’t that what flags are all about.

Umm no, it's more, a lot more than just about 'military'

 

[Boston tiger]

Umm no, it's more, a lot more than just about 'military'

They are the ones dying for it. Sure you can drape it around an Olympian but that’s not the same as draped around a coffin.

 

[Carringbush2010]

They are the ones dying for it. Sure you can drape it around an Olympian but that’s not the same as draped around a coffin.

Not sure if you're trolling or just simple minded.

 

[Fire]

When I look at the sort of people who wrap themselves in our flag I honestly don't see a lot to be proud of, cookers, Pauline Hanson, Christian Nationalists, Morrison and his face mask, the Australia/ANZAC day flag as a cape crowd. These people certainly don't represent the best of us and yet they seem to have co-opted our national symbol as their own leading some people to be a touch reticent in displaying it lest they be lumped in with these type of people. Does our flag have an image problem?

Yes but its universal and unsolvable.

Bolsonaro in Brazil told his supporters to go to the polls wearing Brazil's colors. Oponants deliberately avoided such colours so as not to be associated.

Here in America the absolute worst people deck their cars out in US flags and I'm automatically a little wary of anyone who flys the flag out the front of their home.

Nationalists are by definition drawn towards the flag. And go way over oars with it, making everyone else step back a bit, even if they have patriotic leanings.

You can't fix it. Change the flag and they'll do it with that one too.

I find it hard to imagine myself being inclined to do so, but if I wanted to display my love for Australia I would sooner opt for the boxing kangaroo flag than the official but nonetheless weird one that has Britan in the corner that's usually found draping some weirdo.

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[Fire]

Also no one in any war has ever died for a flag.

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[Theseventhhamster]

Also no one in any war has ever died for a flag.

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Well it's possible they did but if so they were ****ing idiots.