Dont Be Fooled

[TigerPower]

Wallaces power has been taken away from him, so he cant have much say in what we do in the draft period, true?
This means that he cant just trade our picks to get say Kerr to save his arse and make finals.

He must do it the hard way and develop youth......We will find out how good he REALLY is next year when he cant trade for players, good work March.

 

[The Cotch]

Agree. RT if you read this, I've had a change of heart

 

[Les Grossman]

Id rather have an average coach with a side that can win a flag than a great coach with a side that doesnt have the cattle to get the job done.

A coach should have the power to select who is on his playing list and what sort of blokes the club needs to chase, no one else.

If he then fails, off with his head and move on to the next one.

The way March is doing this, if Wallace doesnt get the job done he will say the club stopped him developing the side as he wanted, and rightly so.

If you put a bloke in charge of tour team, let him do the job his way. If you dont like his calls, you shouldnt have him in the job.

Senior coach should be all powerfull in the football department and judged only on his results over a period of time. Anything less is a worrying situation.

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace. Why Question his judgement on whats best in terms of recruitment now? We hired the guy to use his skills to build a premiership team and now he says we are in a position to top up and have a crack at one in 2-3 years we question his judgement. Have some faith in his plan. At least let him see it through. We are 4 years in for gods sake!

 

[beaver fever]

Id rather have an average coach with a side that can win a flag than a great coach with a side that doesnt have the cattle to get the job done.

A coach should have the power to select who is on his playing list and what sort of blokes the club needs to chase, no one else.

If he then fails, off with his head and move on to the next one.

The way March is doing this, if Wallace doesnt get the job done he will say the club stopped him developing the side as he wanted, and rightly so.

If you put a bloke in charge of tour team, let him do the job his way. If you dont like his calls, you shouldnt have him in the job.

Senior coach should be all powerfull in the football department and judged only on his results over a period of time. Anything less is a worrying situation.

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace. Why Question his judgement on whats best in terms of recruitment now? We hired the guy to use his skills to build a premiership team and now he says we are in a position to top up and have a crack at one in 2-3 years we question his judgement. Have some faith in his plan. At least let him see it through. We are 4 years in for gods sake!

So Wallace has more idea of what juniors are out there eh? Is he more likely to think short-term or long-term? Every club has a dedicated list management team separate from the coach for a good reason.

 

[Peter SasseGum]

So Wallace has more idea of what juniors are out there eh? Is he more likely to think short-term or long-term? Every club has a dedicated list management team separate from the coach for a good reason.

As do we, and it's working well at the RFC.

Well doen to TW and the development team for working so cohesively well together and assuring the Tigers long term future

 

[beaver fever]

As do we, and it's working well at the RFC.

Well doen to TW and the development team for working so cohesively well together and assuring the Tigers long term future

Only since the start of this season have we.

 

[Les Grossman]

So Wallace has more idea of what juniors are out there eh? Is he more likely to think short-term or long-term? Every club has a dedicated list management team separate from the coach for a good reason.

No he doesn't but he is the one who has to work with what the recruitment staff serve up to him. His success relies on their decisions so he should be choosing the recruitment staff he feels he can trust and all involved should be answerable to him.

It is also his call as to what the list needs. Who else would be in a better position to judge? It is Wallace who knows what he intends to turn our kids into and what holes cant be filled by whats already on our list.

To think its someone else's position to tell the coach what players he needs is ridiculous.

 

[Jurica Stockade]

Id rather have an average coach with a side that can win a flag than a great coach with a side that doesnt have the cattle to get the job done.

A coach should have the power to select who is on his playing list and what sort of blokes the club needs to chase, no one else.

If he then fails, off with his head and move on to the next one.

The way March is doing this, if Wallace doesnt get the job done he will say the club stopped him developing the side as he wanted, and rightly so.

If you put a bloke in charge of tour team, let him do the job his way. If you dont like his calls, you shouldnt have him in the job.

Senior coach should be all powerfull in the football department and judged only on his results over a period of time. Anything less is a worrying situation.

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace. Why Question his judgement on whats best in terms of recruitment now? We hired the guy to use his skills to build a premiership team and now he says we are in a position to top up and have a crack at one in 2-3 years we question his judgement. Have some faith in his plan. At least let him see it through. We are 4 years in for gods sake!

Yeah, cos Wallet has won heaps of premierships as a coach and certainly knows what it takes to build a list for it.

 

[beaver fever]

No he doesn't but he is the one who has to work with what the recruitment staff serve up to him. His success relies on their decisions so he should be choosing the recruitment staff he feels he can trust and all involved should be answerable to him.

It is also his call as to what the list needs. Who else would be in a better position to judge? It is Wallace who knows what he intends to turn our kids into and what holes cant be filled by whats already on our list.

To think its someone else's position to tell the coach what players he needs is ridiculous.

Coach's already have so much on their plate, that you think they also need to spend hours of their time dedicated to researching and analysing how to build lists capable of winning premierships? Not to mention actually going out and looking at these kids.

They give the job to someone separate from the coaching job because there is so much work involved simply looking at the list. They are responsible for the long term development of the list. Coach's are ingrained to think short-term because they want to win and because they have to win. However it is that same bias that works against list management because a long-term framework is required to build lists.

It takes 7+ years to build a list and there is no guarantee that coach's last that long in the job.

 

[Les Grossman]

Yeah, cos Wallet has won heaps of premierships as a coach and certainly knows what it takes to build a list for it.

Obviously the club thought he knew how or he wouldnt have the job.

Now he is in charge we shouldnt chop him off at the knees because we are scared of the decisions he might want to make. He has the job, lets give him every chance to make it successfull.

 

[Les Grossman]

Coach's already have so much on their plate, that you think they also need to spend hours of their time dedicated to researching and analysing how to build lists capable of winning premierships? Not to mention actually going out and looking at these kids.

They give the job to someone separate from the job because there is so much work involved simply looking at the list. They are responsible for the long term development of the list. Coach's are ingrained to think short-term because they want to win and because they have to win. However it is that same bias that works against list management because a long-term framework is required to build lists.

It takes 7+ years to build a list and there is no guarantee that coach's last that long in the job.

Of course the coach doesnt do all the recruiting grunt work. You missed my point.

If we expect the coach to work cohesively with the football department He must have trust in what they are telling him. Therefore He should be the one who puts them in the position. That way he know they are on the same page.

If any part of the machine fails to produce it is then ultimately the coachs decision that caused it. Same goes for the success that may come.

Geelong won a flag in 8 years but the majority of that list was there well before. The only thing that changed at Geelong between 2006 and 2007 is their mindset. The list was good enough in 05 for that matter.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Wallace doesn't need Kerr to make the finals next year. He's not doing this for personal gain, he's doing what he thinks is best for the club

 

[beaver fever]

Of course the coach doesnt do all the recruiting grunt work. You missed my point.

If we expect the coach to work cohesively with the football department He must have trust in what they are telling him. Therefore He should be the one who puts them in the position. That way he know they are on the same page.

Geelong won a flag in 8 years but the majority of that list was there well before. The only thing that changed at Geelong between 2006 and 2007 is their mindset. The list was good enough in 05 for that matter.

And what of their short-term mindset?

 

[Sausage roll]

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace.

LMAO!!

This is the same man who promised us that JON would "silence his critics this year"

Right.

Yep, his judgement is spot on.

 

[nikolasmia]

Id rather have an average coach with a side that can win a flag than a great coach with a side that doesnt have the cattle to get the job done.

A coach should have the power to select who is on his playing list and what sort of blokes the club needs to chase, no one else.

If he then fails, off with his head and move on to the next one.

The way March is doing this, if Wallace doesnt get the job done he will say the club stopped him developing the side as he wanted, and rightly so.

If you put a bloke in charge of tour team, let him do the job his way. If you dont like his calls, you shouldnt have him in the job.

Senior coach should be all powerfull in the football department and judged only on his results over a period of time. Anything less is a worrying situation.

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace. Why Question his judgement on whats best in terms of recruitment now? We hired the guy to use his skills to build a premiership team and now he says we are in a position to top up and have a crack at one in 2-3 years we question his judgement. Have some faith in his plan. At least let him see it through. We are 4 years in for gods sake!

completely disagree.

Its way too risky to do it your way, we did that with spud and he screwed the list for a decade. Coaches should coach, and list managers should list manage. Debate should be encouraged but winner of the battle of ideas sjould prevail, if there is disagreement, list manager wins every time.

Wallace is in the 5th year of his contract, the list has his fingerprints all over it, he should back himself in and make the finals with THEM. Why mortgage our future for a bloke with a suss body, crappy attitude, kerr is a star, but he is MASSIVE risk, we have to play the precentages.

And why would allow wallace to chooses his own boss, ridiculous. March has been superb in all this, wallet has been exposed for the political animal that he is. Just coach the side terry.

 

[Ruanaidh]

completely disagree.

Its way too risky to do it your way, we did that with spud and he screwed the list for a decade. Coaches should coach, and list managers should list manage. Debate should be encouraged but winner of the battle of ideas sjould prevail, if there is disagreement, list manager wins every time.

Wallace is in the 5th year of his contract, the list has his fingerprints all over it, he should back himself in and make the finals with THEM. Why mortgage our future for a bloke with a suss body, crappy attitude, kerr is a star, but he is MASSIVE risk, we have to play the precentages.

And why would allow wallace to chooses his own boss, ridiculous. March has been superb in all this, wallet has been exposed for the political animal that he is. Just coach the side terry.

Good Post I'd just like to add that a coach with a mediocre track record should be kept on a very tight leash in the last year of his contract.

 

[Les Grossman]

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace.

LMAO!!

This is the same man who promised us that JON would "silence his critics this year"

Right.

Yep, his judgement is spot on.

Nothing wrong with a coach backing his player publicly.
Would you rather he said JON was going to struggle and ruin the blokes confidence.

 

[Crumden]

Coach's already have so much on their plate, that you think they also need to spend hours of their time dedicated to researching and analysing how to build lists capable of winning premierships? Not to mention actually going out and looking at these kids.

They give the job to someone separate from the coaching job because there is so much work involved simply looking at the list. They are responsible for the long term development of the list. Coach's are ingrained to think short-term because they want to win and because they have to win. However it is that same bias that works against list management because a long-term framework is required to build lists.

It takes 7+ years to build a list and there is no guarantee that coach's last that long in the job.

I think this is pretty spot on, though I think the coach is one of a number of people at the club (as well as recruiters etc) that should be feeding advice into the process to help inform the list managers decisions.

 

[Les Grossman]

completely disagree.

Its way too risky to do it your way, we did that with spud and he screwed the list for a decade. Coaches should coach, and list managers should list manage. Debate should be encouraged but winner of the battle of ideas sjould prevail, if there is disagreement, list manager wins every time.

Wallace is in the 5th year of his contract, the list has his fingerprints all over it, he should back himself in and make the finals with THEM. Why mortgage our future for a bloke with a suss body, crappy attitude, kerr is a star, but he is MASSIVE risk, we have to play the precentages.

And why would allow wallace to chooses his own boss, ridiculous. March has been superb in all this, wallet has been exposed for the political animal that he is. Just coach the side terry.

Wallace doesn't pick his own Boss in my scenario, he is the head of the football dept. he selects a list management/ recruitment team and they answer to him. Debate on decisions happens within his team but all is on his head.

Wallace is then judged by someone completely removed from all decision making and day to day running of the football department.

You cant judge a coach on his results when his plans are compromised by the input of another.

Spud was a bad choice as coach and did a terrible job.
That doesn't mean we should punish Wallace because we were scarred from Spuds time.

If Wallace sees enough in our list after 4 years of list building and now feels we are ready to add the final touches over the next 1-2 years for a tilt at a flag. then he is backing himself and our existing talent in. If he didn't feel we had a strong enough list he would be hosing down our expectations, not stepping up a gear.

By the way, getting a big name to Richmond is not mortgaging our future. Its one pick and a fringe player, not a complete draft lock out for three years.

 

[beaver fever]

Last time I checked WC wanted pick 1 or 3. We have neither. Guess what it would take to get it?

 

[Les Grossman]

Last time I checked WC wanted pick 1 or 3. We have neither. Guess what it would take to get it?

Thats how bargaining works.

They start high, we start low...

Jackson/ White and pick 8 and a second rounder we pick up somewhere might go close but this is another argument.

Again I say its Wallace's call on whats the right price.

 

[beaver fever]

Thats how bargaining works.

They start high, we start low...

Yeah that doesn't mean Kerr = our first pick + hack

 

[beaver fever]

Thats how bargaining works.

They start high, we start low...

Jackson/ White and pick 8 might go close but this is another argument.

Again I say its Wallace's call on whats the right price.

McMahon for pick 19 highlights his knowledge of what the right price is.

 

[Les Grossman]

Yeah that doesn't mean Kerr = our first pick + hack

Theres plenty of Kerr threads to discuss his trade value.

 

[bigstyletiger]

Id rather have an average coach with a side that can win a flag than a great coach with a side that doesnt have the cattle to get the job done.

A coach should have the power to select who is on his playing list and what sort of blokes the club needs to chase, no one else.

If he then fails, off with his head and move on to the next one.

The way March is doing this, if Wallace doesnt get the job done he will say the club stopped him developing the side as he wanted, and rightly so.

If you put a bloke in charge of tour team, let him do the job his way. If you dont like his calls, you shouldnt have him in the job.

Senior coach should be all powerfull in the football department and judged only on his results over a period of time. Anything less is a worrying situation.

No one on Bigfooty has a better idea of the strength of our list and its potential than Wallace. Why Question his judgement on whats best in terms of recruitment now? We hired the guy to use his skills to build a premiership team and now he says we are in a position to top up and have a crack at one in 2-3 years we question his judgement. Have some faith in his plan. At least let him see it through. We are 4 years in for gods sake!

You must have missed the Danny Frawely years mate. Top up, top up and bust. You also must have missed McMahon for Ward(pick 19).

March is doing the right thing. Just as Costa did at Geelong and Smorgon did at the Dogs. Look where they are. Let the coach coach, the players play, the marketing people spin and the recruiters recruit. If Wallace can coach he shouldn't need excuses. I don't see Knights making excuses