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Went back to have a look at stage 8.

Froome buts his guts to smash out his incredible time but Porte burns off the rest of the field barely breaking a sweat lol

It's super sus how Froome keeps looking down at his power meter every couple of seconds. He knew what he was doing, he just didn't want to pull back.

So since when was Porte able to climb mountains with ease while guys like Evans, Schleck and Contador struggle?
 
We all know the history of the Doping Donkey. 24 months ago he was barely capable of finishing a GT, today he's the unbackable favourite to win the Tour. It's the most blatant case of turning a donkey into a thoroughbred that I've ever heard of.

I can understand how he doesn't get picked up by the individual doping controls. Whatever he's on obviously has a very short detection window. Unfortunately that's a fact of life which makes primary doping detection very difficult (almost impossible) to achieve.

What I want to know is why he hasn't been picked up due to the obvious changes in his physiology? Surely this is exactly what the biological passport was introduced to achieve? How is it possible to turn a donkey into a racehorse, without anything showing up in the biological record?
 

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Vader said:
We all know the history of the Doping Donkey. 24 months ago he was barely capable of finishing a GT, today he's the unbackable favourite to win the Tour. It's the most blatant case of turning a donkey into a thoroughbred that I've ever heard of.

I can understand how he doesn't get picked up by the individual doping controls. Whatever he's on obviously has a very short detection window. Unfortunately that's a fact of life which makes primary doping detection very difficult (almost impossible) to achieve.

What I want to know is why he hasn't been picked up due to the obvious changes in his physiology? Surely this is exactly what the biological passport was introduced to achieve? How is it possible to turn a donkey into a racehorse, without anything showing up in the biological record?
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Bilhazaria, new helmets and training techniques. Seems pretty clear he is as clean as a whistle to me o_O
 
In other doping news Tyson Gay and Asafa Powell have been busted. Bloody athletics and their cheating ways...
 
Vader said:
We all know the history of the Doping Donkey. 24 months ago he was barely capable of finishing a GT, today he's the unbackable favourite to win the Tour. It's the most blatant case of turning a donkey into a thoroughbred that I've ever heard of.

I can understand how he doesn't get picked up by the individual doping controls. Whatever he's on obviously has a very short detection window. Unfortunately that's a fact of life which makes primary doping detection very difficult (almost impossible) to achieve.
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Looking at his frame i'm assuming he is on something like the essendon footy club was on (but actually works) ie: something that allows you to get down to 2% body fat and still retain the power you had previously. In that case he might not even need to microdope (though he probably is for recovery).

Vader said:
What I want to know is why he hasn't been picked up due to the obvious changes in his physiology? Surely this is exactly what the biological passport was introduced to achieve? How is it possible to turn a donkey into a racehorse, without anything showing up in the biological record?
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I'm always suspicious when elite athletes get some rare disease. That may be screwing with the baselines for the bio. ie: they don't have a base line for him, so his new improvements are the "standard".
 
alfy! said:
Man you post rubbish.



Maybe he is legit.
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MONT VENTOUX (last 15.65 km [from St. Esteve], 8.74 %, 1368 m)

----TOP 50 LIST

-1. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 48:33 | 2002 Armstrong
-2. Chris Froome _________ GBR | 48:35 | 2013
-3. Andy Schleck _________ LUX | 48.57 | 2009
-4. KNOWN DOPER _____ ESP | 48:57 | 2009 Contador
-5. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 49:00 | 2009 Armstrong
-6. KNOWN DOPER ________ ITA | 49:01 | 2000 Pantani
-7. KNOWN DOPER ______ USA | 49:01 | 2000 Armstrong
-8. KNOWN DOPER ________ LUX | 49:02 | 2009 Schleck x 2
-9. Nairo Quintana _______ COL | 49:04 | 2013
10. Roman Kreuziger ______ CZE | 49:05 | 2009

11. KNOWN DOPER ____ ITA | 49:15 | 2009
12. Vincenzo Nibali ______ ITA | 49:17 | 2009p ties with Dr Ferarri
13. Bradley Wiggins ______ GBR | 49:22 | 2009
14. Joseba Beloki ________ ESP | 49:26 | 2000
15. KNOWN DOPER __________ GER | 49:30 | 2000 Ullrich
16. KNOWN DOPER _____ LTU | 49:49 | 2002
17. KNOWN DOPER ________ ESP | 49:49 | 2000
18. KNOWN DOPER ___________ ITA | 49:52 | 2002
19. Mikel Nieve __________ ESP | 49:58 | 2013
20. Joaquim Rodriguez ____ ESP | 49:58 | 2013

andy didn't get caught, the only reason he's not in the known doper list.

Froome literally jumped out of the ground in the 2011 Vuelta. so from sweet **** all, to Grand Tour threat almost instantly.

20051st Stage 2 Tour of Mauritius

2006
1st Overall Tour of Mauritius
1st Stages 2 & 3
2nd Anatomic Jock Race

2007
1st Overall Mi-Août Bretonne
1st Stage 5 Giro delle Regioni (Under-23)
1st Stage 6 Tour of Japan
2nd Berg en Dale Classic
2nd Time trial, B World Championships
3rd Road race, All-Africa Games

2008
2nd Overall Giro del Capo
4th Overall Herald Sun Tour

2009
1st Stage 2 Giro del Capo
1st Anatomic Jock Race

2010
2nd National Time Trial Championship
5th Time trial, Commonwealth Games

2011
2nd Overall Vuelta a España (WHAT??!!!) where did this come from?

2010 comm games road race, finished nearly 7.30 off the winner (Allan Davis), was DQed in the 2010 Giro for holding onto a motorbike on a climb.

so he went from an OK TT rider and passable domestique, to by far the worlds best climber and overall bike racer in the space of a year.

yeah, you'll have to forgive us our cynicism, it is well grounded in history.

and if you want to compare him to the much younger Quintana go ahead but he has actual pedigree backed up with results. his performance in nowhere near as surprising.

Tour de l'Avenir since 1992 restricted to young riders, but generally always for young riders or amateurs. Winners list follows, there is some pedigree here. real pedigree. the list includes, Greg LeMond, Miguel Indurain, Laurent Fignon, Johan Bruyneel, Denis Menchov, martinez, Lars Bak, Mollema, Bakelants and as a 20 yr old Quintana.
 
Vader said:
What I want to know is why he hasn't been picked up due to the obvious changes in his physiology? Surely this is exactly what the biological passport was introduced to achieve? How is it possible to turn a donkey into a racehorse, without anything showing up in the biological record?
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Well a low RBC Count is a symptom of Bilhazaria, my guess is he has a TUE for his disease. The nature of the TUE probably renders the ABP useless, thus he is free to blood dope as he wishes.
 

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crazyman27 said:
Except Froome never leaves the saddle...
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Armstrong dancing on the pedals.

Froome, casually sitting down staring intently at his power meter.

Must be the greatest ever.

Fair leap for a guy that was dog shit a few years ago.
 
sblack said:
Froome would know EXACTLY what he was doing. Why do you think he stares at his power meter like 75% of the time he is riding. He knows the exact wattage output he is putting out, and knows that is far and beyond higher than any one else is capable of. Plus he would have Brailsford yelling in his ear his and everyone else's times.

Froome roughly put out 6.5 w/kg last night. Dr Ferraris target when he set up individual programs, was to target 6.0-1 w/kg which equated to ~40 minutes up Alp d'Huez.

Froome last night riding at 1801 VAM was the equivalent of Pantani 94 levels. Not many recorded VAM higher than what Froome put out last night. In the first main part of the mountain before the flat, he outside Armstrong 2001 up Ax 3.
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Thought Ferrari said that 6.7 was the "magic number" required to win the TDF?
 
chargers 09 said:
Thought Ferrari said that 6.7 was the "magic number" required to win the TDF?
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No, 6.7 is almost unheard of except for some absolutely exceptional climbs (Riis on Hautacam 1996 TdF - 6.8, Lance on Huez TD - 6.6).

Froome only recorded at most like 6.5-6.6 up Ax-3, and that was a relatively short climb, compared to long difficult climbs like Vontoux, where he was ~5.9.

The first two big climbs this Tour so far, Froome has been above DpVAM, which is 2002-2007 TdF podium territory. He is pretty much riding what peak Armstrong was. No other rider has a reading above the estimated DpVAM this tour, most riders have been around the pVAM estimates, ie they are in line with the top climbs post-bio-passport.
 
Juggalo Balla said:
Armstrong dancing on the pedals.

Froome, casually sitting down staring intently at his power meter.

Must be the greatest ever.

Fair leap for a guy that was dog shit a few years ago.
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The Michelle Smith of cycling - hope he ends up in the doghouse in total disgrace just as she did......
 

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seanoff said:
so he went from an OK TT rider and passable domestique, to by far the worlds best climber and overall bike racer in the space of a year.
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No he didn't.

2nd in the Vuelta makes him "by the far the world's best climber and overall bike racer"???

Ridiculous hyperbole.
 
bing181 said:
No he didn't.

2nd in the Vuelta makes him "by the far the world's best climber and overall bike racer"???

Ridiculous hyperbole.
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Have any idea what you are talking about?

He went from a possibly capable domestique in mid 2011 to a bloke who would have won the TdF if allowed in mid 2012 with a huge upturn at the Vuelta.

There is nothing in the following result set that even hints remotely at what was coming. And certainly nothing before 2011.

Full 2011 results

Ruta del Sol: Finished 50th overall
Vuelta a Murcia: Finished 62nd overall
Volta a Catalunya: Finished 62nd overall
Vuelta a Castilla y Leon: Finished 14th overall
Tour de Romandie: Finished 15th overall
Tour of California: Finished 66th overall
Tour de Luxembourg: Finished 71st overall
Tour de Suisse: Finished 47th overall
Brixia Tour: Finished 45th overall
Tour de Pologne: Finished 85th overall
Vuelta a Espana: 1st Stage 17, Finished 2nd overall 2nd Stage 10,
World Championships: DNF
Tour of Beijing: Finished 3rd overall 3rd Stage 3,
 
I haven't read this whole thread, and can't be bothered.

I'm not bothered either by Froome's ascendancy - it says something that the riders nearest him are guys like Mollema, Ten Dam and Fugslang, hardly household names in GT racing, and no surprise that they're 5 minutes+ down on probably the one true specialist GT rider in the tour. Shleck's head is shot for the moment, Cadel is obviously getting to be past it (and probably shouldn't have tried the Giro/Tour double), as is Contador. Just who is Froome riding away from?

Froome did not have the benefit of elite level support through the junior ranks: there's no AIS academy in Kenya. Even turning Pro, he was on a couple of what, third level teams? Enough to get a bit of experience, but compared to what some of the younger Oz riders have had, coming in through the established feeder teams into the Pro Tour, he's just been out in the back blocks. No surprise then that as soon as he gets onto his first Pro Tour team, with the support, facilities, and know-how that goes with it, he starts to fulfil his potential. As Wiggins put it, going from Garmin to Sky was like going from Wigan to Manchester United, so you can only imagine the difference it made for Froome with his background.

On top of all that, what Sky have done shouldn't be under-estimated. The team was built by basically track-based specialists where science rules (not that many tactics in a 4000m pursuit). Brailsford and co. did not learn the ropes staying in 4 star hotels on the tour of Croatia. Not only did they bring a lot of new science to road training, they threw out the rule book in terms of preparation. Where was Sky when everyone else was freezing their b*lls off slogging around Belgium in March? They were in Teneriffe, training. But no surprise that Sky have a poor record in the one-day classics, where it's a lot less about science, and a lot more about luck (and knowing how to make it) and experience. They concentrate on what they can control, and then do what they need to.

Still, it took them 3 years to get it right - and Froome is the main beneficiary. And better get used to it, because there's no-one else coming through at the moment with access to what he has, and the ability to benefit from it. Short of crashes and injuries, not only are we looking at the winner of this tour, we're looking at the winner of the next few as well.
 
Lol bet you think Armstrong is innocent.
 


Good video btw of some of the drugs that are the most common in connection with new age doping, especially in Cycling.
 
Mollema and Fugslang have a much better pedigree background than Froome and they are getting destroyed. Their results are much better than Froome up to the 2011 Vuelta. World champs, high finishes in stage races where Froome was 80th.

I'm more inclined to believe their are fairies in my pot plants than Froome, Porte and Kennaugh being clean. I've seen this since Phil Anderson and a guy i went to school with rode in Europe.

One thing i've learnt is if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and has feathers. It's a duck.

THIS IS A DUCK!!!!!
 

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