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Draft not far away
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midfeilder and ruckman
we dont need any KP players imo
with hille being a potential trade we should get another ruckman as a back up
we dont need any KP players imo
with hille being a potential trade we should get another ruckman as a back up
KP backmen.
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We'll need either Ebert, Cotchin, Rioli or Palmer
Dempsey, Davey, Jetta and Lovett... we don't need Rioli.
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we need a midfielder with some pace and
a key position backline player.
a key position backline player.
Dempsey, Winderlich, Dyson, Lovett, Jetta and Nash isn't slow- why do people keep saying we need a midfielder with pace. We don't. What the team is lacking is a few good in and under midfielders who can feed all of the quick outside players that we already have.
Classy Midfielder and KP Backman.
Another Ruckman wouldn't hurt either.
Another Ruckman wouldn't hurt either.
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Okay (deep breath).
1. KP defenders just don't get drafted anymore. Most defenders enter the system as forwards and are converted to defenders. For instance, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see either Neagle or Gumbleton play in defense for the majority of their career.
2. With the way footy is now, you only require one key defender - that being usually the full back. The reason being is that most half forwards are roaming, running types like Pavlich, Lucas, Riewoldt etc who very rarely take contested marks. There might be the odd exception to the rule like but generally most teams operate with one key forward and one or two mobile tallish forwards. The days of Chris Mew and Kevin Walsh are over.
3. Drafting a KP defender is a waste. I argued this last year with Lachlen Hansen who isn't exactly setting the world alight at the Kangaroos (I believe he was playing in the Tassie two's at one stage) and I will argue it again.
4. Our squad is waaayyyy too top heavy at the moment. NO MORE TALLS. People complain that our team lacks pace yet they think drafting a KP defender is the answer. I'm confused.
5. Do we want another Kepler Bradley situation if we take a KP defender early in the draft.
We keep Hille - drafting a ruckman is generally very chancy and you won't see the fruition of it for about another 5 years. We don't draft any more talls - we've got that many, teams will be knocking on our door soon trying to take some off us. And finally we go for runnners and runners and runners. It also helps if they can play footy a bit.
1. KP defenders just don't get drafted anymore. Most defenders enter the system as forwards and are converted to defenders. For instance, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see either Neagle or Gumbleton play in defense for the majority of their career.
2. With the way footy is now, you only require one key defender - that being usually the full back. The reason being is that most half forwards are roaming, running types like Pavlich, Lucas, Riewoldt etc who very rarely take contested marks. There might be the odd exception to the rule like but generally most teams operate with one key forward and one or two mobile tallish forwards. The days of Chris Mew and Kevin Walsh are over.
3. Drafting a KP defender is a waste. I argued this last year with Lachlen Hansen who isn't exactly setting the world alight at the Kangaroos (I believe he was playing in the Tassie two's at one stage) and I will argue it again.
4. Our squad is waaayyyy too top heavy at the moment. NO MORE TALLS. People complain that our team lacks pace yet they think drafting a KP defender is the answer. I'm confused.
5. Do we want another Kepler Bradley situation if we take a KP defender early in the draft.
We keep Hille - drafting a ruckman is generally very chancy and you won't see the fruition of it for about another 5 years. We don't draft any more talls - we've got that many, teams will be knocking on our door soon trying to take some off us. And finally we go for runnners and runners and runners. It also helps if they can play footy a bit.
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I'd imagine our priority with our first pick would be a KP backman or a classy mid, i myself would rather a classy mid, because we don't really need a KP ATM. We are probably in need of a KP backman, come out of the draft with a classy midfielder such as Ebert or someone like that. But if a quality and class mid is gone by our pick then we should just go key back (Rance maybe?).
I'd like us to do something like this:
1st pick: Classy mid - Ebert
2nd pick: Best Avail - Maric/Collier (fingers crossed)
3rd pick: Ruckman with lots of potential - Dawson Simpson
4th pick: Key Defender - Flaherty
I havn't really seen Dawson Simpson, but iv'e heard a bit about him on Bigfooty and i like what iv'e been hearing (reading).
I'd like us to do something like this:
1st pick: Classy mid - Ebert
2nd pick: Best Avail - Maric/Collier (fingers crossed)
3rd pick: Ruckman with lots of potential - Dawson Simpson
4th pick: Key Defender - Flaherty
I havn't really seen Dawson Simpson, but iv'e heard a bit about him on Bigfooty and i like what iv'e been hearing (reading).
I think the thing we learn from the Kepler situation is that we should not try to turn a player into something he is not. Drafting players who have experience in the backhalf would be the best way to ensure that a disaster there does not occur when Fletch/Mal retires. Yes our list is top heavy but when Lloyd/Lucas retires it will not be. Personally I would be disapointed if we don't pick up a second backman to go with Darcy.
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Midfielders who can win the ball at clearances.
Mobile defender.(190-194cm range) who can also play through the middle.
Tall defender (195plus) later in the draft.
Maybe a project ruckman.
And no more Lovett's, Jetta's, Dempsey's and Davey's for the moment. These guys are great at adding the pace and excitment to the side but i think with 4 of them at the club we have that area covered now.
Mobile defender.(190-194cm range) who can also play through the middle.
Tall defender (195plus) later in the draft.
Maybe a project ruckman.
And no more Lovett's, Jetta's, Dempsey's and Davey's for the moment. These guys are great at adding the pace and excitment to the side but i think with 4 of them at the club we have that area covered now.
So Masten, Collier, Danniher and Simpson would have to just about make up your wish list then. FWIW I completely agree with them all. If we could pick up an in and under mid with our first pick then focus on talls I would be rapt.
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Tassie dont have a seconds side.
People keep bagging Hanson but he has had to put up with a crap system and crap coach this year with Tassie. It is no wonder he hasnt set the world on fire. Give him some time to develop as he isnt just some bulky KP player. He is actually pretty mobile and skilled. He wasnt simply a kP defender as he had played a lot forward as well. I think versitile tall would be the word used to describe him.
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Reoli - another great speedy play. need him because this year all of them at essendon where injured and sheeds could not put them all at the same time in the team.. it could have been a different story in some gasmes we lost if they where all fit and playing all together. if it happends again next year i wouldn't mind having this guy as a spare. all of them in the same team would be great and team will have trouble with our speed on the park...
Danniher - A backmen which we are going to need in the near future weither you like it or not and weither you think it is a waste of as pick. at the moment we only have andrew lee and he hasn't gotten a game yet all season. yea we have ryder but he can get injured and when that happens we need backup... ryder, Danniher, and maybe johns taking the 3rd defender and he improve but i styill rate johns as a goal kicker.
Danniher - A backmen which we are going to need in the near future weither you like it or not and weither you think it is a waste of as pick. at the moment we only have andrew lee and he hasn't gotten a game yet all season. yea we have ryder but he can get injured and when that happens we need backup... ryder, Danniher, and maybe johns taking the 3rd defender and he improve but i styill rate johns as a goal kicker.
All the speed and skill in the world won't help you much without the ball in your hands
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If we only have 4 picks I'd be content if Daniher is the only big we take. We need all round quality mids. Guys who can win, use it well, and have a bit of toe. We have too many one dimensional ones at this stage.
We might end up with quite a few more picks if the coach cleans the place out so we can go for a tall mobile defender and a ruckman with later picks. I just really hope we use the early picks on mids.
We might end up with quite a few more picks if the coach cleans the place out so we can go for a tall mobile defender and a ruckman with later picks. I just really hope we use the early picks on mids.
Spot on. We need a gun ruckman to give our midfielders first use of the ball.
Besides, the side we have at the moment wont win us any premierships in the near future...so the best available would be of benefit to us at this stage.
You make some good points, but you're also not looking into the future. We would require another key backman to assist Fletcher as he moves closer towards retirement. How much longer do you expect him to play? Secondly, Mal may only have 1-2 more years at best...then who do we have to fill that breach?
In regards to teams knocking on our door soon to take some off us? Hasnt occurred yet and the only tall we've added this season is Gumbleton. We're not the only team drafting talls.
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Yes something like that would be perfect.
I pretty much agree but I think a small defender is a more pressing need than a mobile defender, not to mention more realistic. Currently, assuming Mark Johnson will depart or won't be in our best 22, we don't have a pure small defender. There is a case for Slattery but I see him taking on tagging jobs through the middle. The other options are Lovett-Murray, Nash and Welsh but all of them have proven to be more effective in other areas of the ground. Drafting a small defender should be a priority.
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I am talking about mobile defenders that have midfield running ability so i think they can cover small forwards . Guys like Pat Dangerfield from Geelong Falcons who is around 192 cm now and has the run and agility of a midfielder or Andy Otten from Oakleigh.
You dont really go out and draft small defenders.No club sets out to specificly draft a back pocket. Just on our list Nash is a small defender. Hasnt played a lot of footy through the midfield. McVeigh is porbably the best small defender we have. Reimers has been usesd a lot in that role for Bendigo and during his junior days in WA.
