List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Happy Mastenator]

Isn’t robey just a shitter version of Reid? We don’t need that we need genuine clearance mids or balanced ball pigs

 

[bzparkes]

Yea, drunk at a football camp IIRC.

Violently bullying a disabled kid for the 2 years in the lead up to the draft didn't win him many fans either.

 

[bzparkes]

Isn’t robey just a shitter version of Reid? We don’t need that we need genuine clearance mids or balanced ball pigs

A bit different than Reid. Seems to play more of a role in transition than at the contest.

 

[Monocle]

Saints delisting Arie Schoenmaker is interesting. I really liked him in 2023, wonder if we look at him for a rookie spot if we have space post draft as an SSP. Thoughts?

Is he the guy with the off field stuff in his draft year?

Yea, drunk at a football camp IIRC.

He had a couple of indiscretions that were not seen in the best light.

Taking the alcohol and distributing it to others at the Footy Clinic, was the least of his red flags.

I won't go into the exacts of what the other issue was, other than to say that in an era of inclusiveness and when mental health issues are considered very important in any schools setting, deviation from said correctness are not well received.

 

[Monocle]

Violently bullying a disabled kid for the 2 years in the lead up to the draft didn't win him many fans either.

Bingo.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Thought it was a good interview. It does sound like we won’t be carrying picks to match bids. As he said, either trade up (I’d hope to 9 which is a far better pick than 11 this year -Dovaston or Lindsay I think- ), or trade 34 and 41 for F2s which will give us far better value than it would this year.

The other things that were clear were the references to Chad Warner without naming him and sounds bullish on getting him as a FA for the 2028 season.

The way he spoke about the talent levels in the draft there’s now little doubt in my mind that pick 2 is for CDT. It’s accepted by the majority industry wide that Duursma and CDT are the two best talents and I think that’s what he was alluding too.

It may be we’d prefer trade that pick with Bombers or Dees but Clarke is making it clear that pick will not come cheap.

The interview he did with cal today it wasn't so definitive about CDT with 2 at all. When pushed he responded with saying he thought there was a bit of a blanket over the first 6.

 

[FootyOutlier]

I wouldn't be surprised if we kept the same picks and went

1. Duursma
2. Robey
13. Slider (I don't think it would be Farrow as we don't have Pieman anymore)
Would not be surprised if Sharp falls at this number if he's truly underate

I feel like Duursma and Robey is right up Minis isle in terms of play style.

Unsure who would be taken at 13.

 

[Bender_]

Oh good, this thread moves almost as fast as the other one.

 

[Corn69]

For what it's worth, I think this Duursma will become a genuine A-grade mid.

Bummers will come calling at some point, but Duursmas are loyal af, unless pushed out, he's staying here long term.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Club

Saints delisting Arie Schoenmaker is interesting. I really liked him in 2023, wonder if we look at him for a rookie spot if we have space post draft as an SSP. Thoughts?

Not surprising. Too slow and too small.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Violently bullying a disabled kid for the 2 years in the lead up to the draft didn't win him many fans either.

****head behaviour that I don't want around my footy club. Would need to have made some significant reparations and personal growth before even being considered - and even then I wouldn't like it.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Carlton supporter coming in peace. How would you feel about this trade:

Carlton give: Pick 9, Pick 11, Sydney 2026 F1, Carlton 2027 F3
West Coast Give: Pick 13, 41, 53, West Coast 2026 F1

Gives you Picks 1, 2, 9, 11, 34 going into the draft instead of a bunch of backend picks that you won't be able to use (after you've filled out your 5 slots). Gives us enough to match our F/S this year, our NGA this year, and makes it easier for us to match our Top 3 F/S next year. The points roughly even out, if you come 16th next year and Sydney comes 3rd.

Probably still in Carlton's favour, but something of this general shape...thoughts?

Big picture - there are 2 things Blues want to do and we are one of the few clubs that can deliver it for you. Your one stop drafting partner.

Firstly, the Blues will want a top 4 pick in 2026 to match Walker bid (and even delay it) under the new F/S rules. Tigers will 100% be bidding on Walker as from all reports, he loved his time in the Tigers NGA, they wanted him to nominate NGA not FS, and from the Futures game he is tipped to go pick 1.

Secondly, you have picks 9 and 11 and the Dean bid will wipe them out so you need them hidden. It would be perfect for you to made and 9 and 11 disappear the say 13 reappear.

Why look to the West for Expertise?
1. Eagles will likely have pick 1 or 2 next year. If we have a break out year, it will still be pick 4 (unlikely but let us dream).
2. Eagles have a proven track record when we hid some picks with Blakey in 2018. We can be trusted and know what to do(rules tightened but we have the wherewithal to make it pass the AFL).



Two stage approach required

1.Before or on draft day
Eagles give Own F1, 34, 41 and Own F3 (valued at 37) for Blues F1 (valued at 10), 9 and 11



The AFL Integrity Unit say "All Clear Here Auntie Laura"


2. Once the Dean bid is matched,
Eagles give 13 and Own FF2 (valued at 32#) for Swans F1 (valued at 18) and Swans FF1 (valued at 30#) and Blues FF2 (valued at 40#)

#: Tassie entry in 2027 will see all finalist teams R1 and subsequent picks pushed back 13 spots.



The AFL Integrity Unit say "All Clear Here Auntie Laura"


So Blues get all their big three needs satisfied at a one stop shop
1. Pick 13 this year after matching Dean
2. Points immediately to be used in matching Dean
3. A single pick that should ensure you get Walker (and you can always split it if it is pick 1 and get buyer to not bid Walker at 1)

Summary of the 2 deals combine



Your first proposal was so far off the mark it wasn't close. North tried to sell us multiple mid to late R1 picks for the Harley pick 1 and our club immediately dismissed it. Sydney with Curnow are contending hard with Lions for front line Premiership odd.

 

[ghostbat12]

• Matching bids - it’s unknown exactly when bids will come although there’s speculation Williams could attract a late R1 bid which would be somewhere in the mid twenties. As it stands picks 34 and 41 hold enough points value combined to match a bid from pick 23 onwards. A bid for Banfield earlier than pick 37 seems unlikely so there should be no issue matching should we choose. Evans might receive a late bid but probably needs to be overlooked for us to add him as a Cat B rookie as we may not have an available list spot to match a bid. Walley probably gets through the main draft without a bid so could be added as a Cat B
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I may have this completely the wrong way but listening to Woodcock on The West Sport, he was trying to explain that when it comes to NGAs, rookie spots are interchangeable. So if you match you lose a rookie spot if you don't have any on main list. Thats what I thought he was saying, hopefully someone actually knowledgable can clarify. So we can match all bids, just end up with no rookie spots.

It is The West Sport and quite often they want eagles to both keep the picks and go young and then also split picks to improve list 5mins later. so you know, mixed knowledge level.

 

[uncleoatmeal]

Don’t actually mind us taking CDT, the draft isn’t really exciting me and at least he some real weapons to work with. My only problem with taking him is surely we are eyeing off A.Walsh.

 

[unty11]

Don’t actually mind us taking CDT, the draft isn’t really exciting me and at least he some real weapons to work with. My only problem with taking him is surely we are eyeing off A.Walsh.

What weapons are those?

 

[uncleoatmeal]

What weapons are those?

His athleticism and cleanliness below his knee at that size could be used all over the ground. He’s not the finished product yet. I might have a different opinion if the rest of the cohort were banging the door down but I’m largely underwhelmed with the top ten.

His overhead marking isn’t great, but all he needs is to be competitive and run all day and he’ll be useful.

 

[Keys]

I may have this completely the wrong way but listening to Woodcock on The West Sport, he was trying to explain that when it comes to NGAs, rookie spots are interchangeable. So if you match you lose a rookie spot. Thats what I thought he was saying, hopefully someone actually knowledgable can clarify. So we can match all bids, just end up with no rookie spots.

It is The West Sport and quite often they want eagles to both keep the picks and go young and then also split picks to improve list 5mins later. so you know, mixed knowledge level.

If we match a bid on a NGA player during the National Draft he comes onto the main list in the same manner and conditions as any other player. Other than us being able to match the bid, his status as a NGA player has no other relevance at that point

Any NGA players that aren’t bid on during the draft can be added to the Cat B rookie list directly without having to go through the rookie draft. Clubs have a maximum of two Cat B spots so if let’s say Evans and Walley both get through without a bid we could add them both to our Cat B list

* For that to happen though, we’d have to first move our two current Cat B rookies, Champion and Livingstone, to the Cat A rookie list. This can be done after the draft like we did with Dewar last year to allow us to add Champion

There’s also the possibility that Livingstone will be delisted rather than moved to the Cat A list - that would need to be done by the end of October though

Hope that clears things up for you

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

What weapons are those?

You don't have to like him as a prospect, but don't act like you've had your head in the sand for the last 6 months.

 

[mezaire]

His athleticism and cleanliness below his knee at that size could be used all over the ground. He’s not the finished product yet. I might have a different opinion if the rest of the cohort were banging the door down but I’m largely underwhelmed with the top ten.

His overhead marking isn’t great, but all he needs is to be competitive and run all day and he’ll be useful.

I actually don't care how good he is, there are other reasons why I would not pick a ruckman who is not great fwd in the top 20.....

Rucks having less and less influence over a teams wins and therefore ladder position.
Look at the best rucks this year.....Grundy, Xerri, Gawn, Cameron, Marshall.....only one of their teams made the finals!!

This will be even less influence if the last touch rule comes into play.
If this is the case, a B. Williams type with Archer supporting is more than enough.

Added to that, I think CDT is 2 years away from playing AFL, and probably another 2 years before he is impacting games.
It really took Jackson 3-4 years to make an impact.

Get a good midfield first, get them developing.....they protect alot of your developing backs and make a bad fwd line look much better than it is!!

I personally think Duursma and Robey would work well together with Reid, and then we really just need a coal face accumulator (the other three can do this)
Robey has really only being playing mid for half a season, and his fwd craft means he can kick goals from the mid or rest fwd (McCluggage kicked 4 in the GF!)

 

[Choogler]

They should be in the sense that there shouldn't be so many shithouse players worthy of a contract next year.

They should have bitten the bullet and delisted a couple that will not be with us when their contracts expire end of 26. Barnett and Bailey are the obvious ones and Jack Williams needs to pull his finger out.. he's been on the list for 4 years, promises a lot and delivers little

 

[Choogler]

His athleticism and cleanliness below his knee at that size could be used all over the ground. He’s not the finished product yet. I might have a different opinion if the rest of the cohort were banging the door down but I’m largely underwhelmed with the top ten.

His overhead marking isn’t great, but all he needs is to be competitive and run all day and he’ll be useful.

would not hesitate to say that in his first year CDT would be more useful than Barnett and Bailey currently are.

 

[Shueygod]

2 + 13 for 5 + 6 is a genuine no brainer, CDT + Dovaston/NHH/Phillipou or 2 of Cumming/Sharp/Robey

 

[unty11]

You don't have to like him as a prospect, but don't act like you've had your head in the sand for the last 6 months.

I just see a big guy that can run a lot is pretty quick as well, kick ok and drop marks he should take and fumble hand ball receives. That coupled with coaches playing him in several positions in his draft year because they don't know where he actually belongs. He also doesn't have a great vertical leap when we are entering into a phase where the wrestling component of rucking is being phased out. I've spoken on big guys that have caught my eye like Curtin and Schubert. I understand a ruck is a need for us I'm just concerned we are making a bad decision with pick 2. I'm happy to be proven wrong and he just needs some development. I'm just concerned we might be making a mistake taking him and wonder what others see in him. Yeah maybe I was a little crass with my comment.

 

[donpyke92]

Duursma, Sharp, Cumming, Dovaston, Banfield..it's possible...would be all time BSD

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

I feel like the reason many of us aren't going to melt if we take CDT (without necessarily being enamoured with him) is because this is a largely uninspiring draft. Besides the club tied players and Duursma who we'll take at 1, I'm not seeing any players that are both a sure thing AND have a super high ceiling.

Sharp looks like the safest pick, but that's exactly what he could be...a safe pick. Do you just take a safe pick at #2? Maybe I guess, I'm not saying that its right or wrong. Just calling it as I see it.

Cumming looks like another good prospect, but seems to be a reach at pick 2. As do all of the other board favourites from this draft. The fact is right now, we hold picks 1 & 2. So unless we manage to trade down from 2 for another couple inside the top 10 I am fine with us taking Duursma & CDT. Ideally we get them both, and then trade up from 13 to Carlton's pick 9 and take one of Cumming or Sharp.

This draft is what it is. I think next year will be a far better one, and we can fill some more list gaps at that point.