List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Lazzas]

How come some are not that excited about this guy? Some of that kicking is elite, he cracks in when he has to, looks to have pace and a great step....and looks like can play pretty much anywhere

I hope West Coast grab him at one, exactly the kind of player we need. Yes more outside however you can see that he will easily transition to an inside player eventually by the way he can create play.

 

[woosha24]

Just get him Lynchy's glove.

It's a sacred relic but I'm sure it'll be OK.

Bung on JJK's tippy-tap runup and we'll have the complete package for a full forward.

 

[uptheWC]

My eyes

Aight bro

 

[Corkintheocean]

When Shanahan find outs where Gov hid the club's tube of Grippo he's gonna rip sides to pieces.

Tom Cole emptied the remainder of the tube onto the backside of his player magnet.

 

[Weshi]

And what is CDT's ceiling? Nobody seems to have any idea. A ruck that can't jump and isn't even the best in his age group, a competent tall forward of which we are stacked for, or an oversized midfielder? It's a riskier pick than just taking the best pure mid, that's for sure.

A ruck that can't jump needs to be +205cm.

 

[Keys]

7 and 8 has you giving a lot more back, Cumming is probably the only one you'd maybe get access to at 7. You'd be trading into a position right behind Essendon, who have an even greater need for stoppage mid stars.

Schubert is a massive reach in that range as well, I even consider him a reach at our picks, but you all seem to love him.

I liken Greeves more to Darcy Fogarty or even De Goey, and he would split time with Reid, who should not be played behind the ball if his tank is an issue (he is already overbuilt IMO). I think he'd compliment your setup very well. If he leans up and improves his mobility, then he's a bulldozer for you in the middle, but take advantage of his slide when he is genuinely capable of doing damage both at stoppages and up forward.

Marsh is far more mobile overall than Waterman, and could still be a tall mid or a star defender, he's got so much scope and reads the game well. Farrow is a fair call but I threw the WA boy in anyway.

If I were picking for you, I'd be angling for Grijl, Greeves, and Hibbens-Hargreaves, then you're maybe picking up another of those 3 right after, or alternatively Dovaston or even Ludowyke if the knee is fine.

I think that density of talent is a better outcome for you.

You’ve made a defendable case to trade 2 for 9+11. Don’t necessarily agree with it but at least there’s some logic behind it

However, I think 9 and 11 is unders for pick 2 but your original trade also had us sending 34 Carlton’s way as well

If that trade went through I’d be taking a month long holiday from moderating this board because the resultant melts would cause worldwide sea levels to rise by a metre overnight

That’s why you’re getting reacts

 

[Jimmae]

You’ve made a defendable case to trade 2 for 9+11. Don’t necessarily agree with it but at least there’s some logic behind it

However, I think 9 and 11 is unders for pick 2 but your original trade also had us sending 34 Carlton’s way as well

If that trade went through I’d be taking a month long holiday from moderating this board because the resultant melts would cause worldwide sea levels to rise by a metre overnight

That’s why you’re getting reacts

I think my point there was once you have that cluster of top 20 picks, all you're doing is matching bids.

Seems wild, but that draft range is pretty coveted overall, as shown by the pick trades that have occurred so far. I'm still a fan of the top 35, and I don't see your bids coming in there, which means you might even wind up trading out 41 at the draft.

For all the drafting you have done, there's some talent that isn't quite gelling, and some that probably isn't working out for you, so in a draft where there aren't a lot of sure things for key roles, it makes sense to throw an extra number into a competitive 30 for your squad.

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are, but you've got Williams and Williams as a question mark.

 

[Corkintheocean]

I think my point there was once you have that cluster of top 20 picks, all you're doing is matching bids.

Seems wild, but that draft range is pretty coveted overall, as shown by the pick trades that have occurred so far. I'm still a fan of the top 35, and I don't see your bids coming in there, which means you might even wind up trading out 41 at the draft.

For all the drafting you have done, there's some talent that isn't quite gelling, and some that probably isn't working out for you, so in a draft where there aren't a lot of sure things for key roles, it makes sense to throw an extra number into a competitive 30 for your squad.

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are, but you've got Williams and Williams as a question mark.

 

[Chris_6678]

I think my point there was once you have that cluster of top 20 picks, all you're doing is matching bids.

Seems wild, but that draft range is pretty coveted overall, as shown by the pick trades that have occurred so far. I'm still a fan of the top 35, and I don't see your bids coming in there, which means you might even wind up trading out 41 at the draft.

For all the drafting you have done, there's some talent that isn't quite gelling, and some that probably isn't working out for you, so in a draft where there aren't a lot of sure things for key roles, it makes sense to throw an extra number into a competitive 30 for your squad.

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are, but you've got Williams and Williams as a question mark.

Have you seen him play this year? I think he was pretty good for a raw first year player.

 

[nameless]

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are,

Come back in 5 years when he has 5 Coleman's and tell us how you don't rate him.

 

[Barrybran]

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That's so fetch

 

[Barrybran]

But yeah, 2 for 13 + 15 isn't happening.

 

[CountryLad]

Jackson averaged fewer disposals, marks and inside 50s playing colts than CDT averaged playing in the boys league (more disposals and tackles though). Their stats in the national U18s were very similar, same disposal average, CDT had more marks and kicked 4 goals (to Jackson's 0) but Jackson had more hitouts and clearances.

Personally I wouldn’t take CDT, I like a couple of other players more. I think he could be a slowish burn compared to others that are around his ranking too. However if the club thinks he’s clearly the best talent available then they should take him.

Every year some/same posters make statements as to why a talented player shouldn’t be taken for reasons that really don’t stack up, as opposed to actually looking at what that player can do.

Curtin same excuse was put up as the one for CDT. Cadman it was his goal kicking, yet no one took into consideration where his set shots were being taken from or the weather conditions in some of his games. Morris, he was no good because he was a “tweener.” Big footy at its finest.

As to where he plays who cares if he’s the most talented player available, it’s a big footy myth that you don’t take a player because he doesn’t even know what position he wants to play. So many players end up playing different roles/positions than what they were in the u18’s.

Posters in here asking what he can do? Go and watch his games and look, it’s not hard to see the talent he possesses. Is he the perfect footballer? I’d say definitely no, he has some weaknesses but he also has some undeniable strengths. So does Duursma, Sharp, Cumming, Annable, Robey and so on……..

Watch the change in mindset in here when he debuts next year in our WAFL side in round one and picks up 20 disposals and kicks a couple of goals.

 

[txbyhull]

I’d consider old mate from Carlton’s proposal if they throw in their F1 and F2 and we add Saints F2. If we’re just getting silly

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are….

Oh no the f you didn’t

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Watch the change in mindset in here when he debuts next year in our WAFL side in round one and picks up 20 disposals and kicks a couple of goals.

I mean you make some valid points in the preamble to this but don’t also act like Sharp wouldn’t tear the WAFL a new one

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Luke Jackson's U18 year was in a different world compared to CDT. He was legitimately dominant. CDT has not been this at all.

Tim English perhaps in these sense of getting around the ground. Here's the thing though, Tim English went pick 19, not pick 2. And he has almost 10cm on CDT.

this reads that CDT can get around the ground well. Again, waiting for a reason he should be taken 2. Because such a high position for a ruckman (not even a pure one) surely needs to be justified. Once again its a lot of words without anyone actually justifying why he should be a top 2 talent.

Jump and mark at full extension over and again.

 

[Keys]

Nowhere near as convinced about Shanahan as you guys are,

This is the type of thinking that saw JK traded to West Coast

 

[Bradis]

Quick Query,

When a team matches bids say Gold Coast Match Pick 2 for Uwland (2223pts), do the picks used stay stationary when assessing value and then all other picks move up or as a pick is used to match every pick after moves up a space before next pick is used again.

For example, to match the above do Gold Coast

a) Match with picks 15,18 & 24 (2,430pts) and receive pick 42 back

or

b) Match with picks 15, 17 & 22 (2,538pts) and receive pick 37 back?

Thanks for the help!

 

[Mr Q]

Quick Query,

When a team matches bids say Gold Coast Match Pick 2 for Uwland (2223pts), do the picks used stay stationary when assessing value and then all other picks move up or as a pick is used to match every pick after moves up a space before next pick is used again.

For example, to match the above do Gold Coast

a) Match with picks 15,18 & 24 (2,430pts) and receive pick 42 back

or

b) Match with picks 15, 17 & 22 (2,538pts) and receive pick 37 back?

Thanks for the help!

They match with where they are at the time the bid is made (15/18/24). They don't evaporate until the match has been completed.

 

[BeeTee]

Keep 1 and 2 unless the offer is incredible. 5&6 will turn into 9&10 after matching bids.

Swap 2 to tigers for 3 and a future 2nd if they really want CDT

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

On Sharp (and whether or not we can trade down and still get him, or whether Mini is certain these types of players won't fit our gamestyle, I won't comment on).

But I truly do believe those types of players are crucial to success.

Dunkley was BnF in Brisbane's win this year - an accolade I do agree with Buckley (ew) is perhaps the highest honour a player can get. He's played in 5 Grand Finals for 3 wins, the best record of any current player. He now also holds the record for tackles in a final.

Top 5 picks always seem to be rated on "will they be Chris Judd or not". Which is fair, you always hope for a Brownlow type player when you're shit and have some early picks. But I dunno, we've got Reid, we've got Hewett who could be anything, we've maybe got an opportunity to trade up to a third pick above where Cripps (13), Neale (58 obviously), Fyfe (20) or even possibly Dangerfield (10) was picked, as well as Wanganeen-Milera (11) or obviously Warner (39).

For all the excitement around those types of players I do think you also need players who aren't going to win a Brownlow but are elite at the contested mid position. Given we already have Reid, I'd honestly be happy to pay pick 2 for a player with the existing/projected career of Dunkley or Tom Green. They're vital to a side and it's no surprise the best teams have one of those types contributing to premiership success. Sometimes they're universally acknowledged (Dunkley, Cotchin) but often underrated and/or managed to perform the role at a peak time (Atkins, Viney, Libba, Redden). For all the admittedly enjoyable chat of a "Redden replacement" I actually think the role goes underacknowledged and assumed you can fill without someone elite at it - Adelaide this year filled that role with a bunch of B graders and it showed IMO.

Will Sharp be a 5 time Brownlow medallist? From the sounds of draft ratings definitely not and he'd be well down the list on that kind of potential. But will he be a vital, elite cog in a premiership side? Not that I've watched him like the draft watchers on here but I dunno, I'd like to see us invest in that kind of player.

For reference, the 'query' on Josh Dunkley in his draft year was apparently: "He's not an especially classy user of the ball, which is something he'll need to lift at the next level and something he has worked tirelessly towards. Dunkley isn't overly quick, but he can think through situations well enough to get around that."

That kinda sounds like Sharp's weaknesses. He's not super slow but sounds like some are writing him off as a top prospect cause he's not quick - I'd disagree with that vibe.

A very compelling argument for Sharp. I just hope if we take him, we squeeze something worthwhile out of a club and trade down from 2...nab him from 5-9.

 

[Monocle]

Jump and mark at full extension over and again.

Thanks for posting that clip.

It's a good reminder for all the CDT lovers that tell us that he reminds of them of Luke Jackson.

There are at least three significant points of difference between LJ and CDT:

1. One can take an overhead contested mark.
2. One can jump.
3. One wins ruck knocks and feeds his midfielders.

There are more than those three aspects of the game that distinguish the strengths and weakness of the two players, but thats the three most critical points of difference.

 

[Bradis]

They match with where they are at the time the bid is made (15/18/24). They don't evaporate until the match has been completed.

Thanks for this!

Running through a Mock for the fun of it Gold Coast will lose all of its picks if Uwland and Patterson had bids placed at 2&5

Makes for an interesting option as I rate Beau Addinsal as one of the more balanced mids in this years group and could be available at our pick 34. It's also amazing how many picks get wiped on the way in this draft under the new system. I have first round going 23 picks and third round done by pick 54.

I assumed that we would secure Evans and Banfield at later picks but effectively they are open to some interesting options.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

This is the thing. If we want to draft a good ruck we wait for two gun WA prospects coming in the next two years and take one of them. Not a pretend ruck in CDT that will end up being unable to play there.

No guarantees in life, we might have our eyes on those two prospects next year but I suspect the club knows its no certainty we'll get either of them. I'm not making that a reason we should be taking CDT, but I don't think clubs are making too many list decisions based on who they may or may not be able to pick in future drafts. We'll be focused on improving our ladder position next year, not focused on having a top 3 pick again...despite the probability that will be the case.