List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[twce13]

Maths on that makes no sense. Pick 34 is our 4th pick.

I think we also need to do some trade with Gold Coast. Pick 41 + 53 for 36 even before the draft begins so we can end with 5 picks

No idea what your point is.

Reason I want 6 or 7 spots is for the first 3 picks, then to match bids on Evans, Williams, BB and have a spot in case someone we really rate falls.

If the 3 guys don’t get bids all good get them on the rookie list, but the flexibility in the draft is key.

As for your trade GC themselves need to consolidate picks so won’t be doing that.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

In his post trade week interviews, Clarke said one of their objectives was to get a third pick inside the top 15 which they achieved as part of the Starcevich trade - taking out the priority pick that was effectively for Starcevich we gave up what was then 16 and 23 for 23,34 and 52

I think there’s little doubt we intend to use that pick and will try to move it further up the order if possible although that looks unlikely due to the limited options

What we do with our later picks is less certain although with only 5 main list spots open (per Clarke) the picks we have (34,41,53,58) is two too many - if those picks aren’t consolidated or traded into 2026 the two late R3 picks will vanish into the ether

Looking through mocks and the picks lost due to bid matching for the Queensland clubs picks 34 and 41 move up to 30 and 37 areas which would be enough points to match a bid at pick 18 onwards.

Or we could trade 34 and 41 now to Gold Coast for pick 29 which would give them an extra 101 points

Where our NGA players and Banfield fit in to all this I’ve no idea. If we get to our 4th pick overall without having to match a bid, do we use it on someone like Curtin, Swadling, Rodriguez or another interstate option

Do we expect bids to come? Williams seems likely to have one at some point, but with Twomey suggesting only 44-57 picks likely to be used could Williams be the only one to attract a bid

Trade up for that Gold Coast pick (29) to use as a fourth draft selection and hold 53 to match a late bid on Williams. Then add Banfield (Cat A) and Evans (Cat B) as rookies post draft

That’s 6 spots filled, leaving two remaining to add mature aged players to the rookie list

Delisting Livingstone would open up another list spot on the rookie list which could be used to list Walley or add another player via the RD or as a SSP signing

The list crunch is starting to get real. I think we need to be more aggressive in cutting some players that don't have a ceiling of clear best 22.

The academy f/s picks early in the draft make it really hard to get a read on where players will go. Just not sure if I see a pick 13 (17 after academy) providing more value than potenitally sliding back to get two of Curtin, Swadling, Rodriguez.

It might just be too difficult and too many kids on the list so that it doesn't happen.

Guess we just have to cross our fingers and hope that we can do 2 and 13 for 5 and 6, get Sharp and one of Cumming/Schubert

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In his post trade week interviews, Clarke said one of their objectives was to get a third pick inside the top 15 which they achieved as part of the Starcevich trade - taking out the priority pick that was effectively for Starcevich we gave up what was then 16 and 23 for 23,34 and 52

I think there’s little doubt we intend to use that pick and will try to move it further up the order if possible although that looks unlikely due to the limited options

What we do with our later picks is less certain although with only 5 main list spots open (per Clarke) the picks we have (34,41,53,58) is two too many - if those picks aren’t consolidated or traded into 2026 the two late R3 picks will vanish into the ether

Looking through mocks and the picks lost due to bid matching for the Queensland clubs picks 34 and 41 move up to 30 and 37 areas which would be enough points to match a bid at pick 18 onwards.

Or we could trade 34 and 41 now to Gold Coast for pick 29 which would give them an extra 101 points

Where our NGA players and Banfield fit in to all this I’ve no idea. If we get to our 4th pick overall without having to match a bid, do we use it on someone like Curtin, Swadling, Rodriguez or another interstate option

Do we expect bids to come? Williams seems likely to have one at some point, but with Twomey suggesting only 44-57 picks likely to be used could Williams be the only one to attract a bid

Trade up for that Gold Coast pick (29) to use as a fourth draft selection and hold 53 to match a late bid on Williams. Then add Banfield (Cat A) and Evans (Cat B) as rookies post draft

That’s 6 spots filled, leaving two remaining to add mature aged players to the rookie list

Delisting Livingstone would open up another list spot on the rookie list which could be used to list Walley or add another player via the RD or as a SSP signing

With 34 and 41, I’d wait until at the QLD prospects have been matched. They will go out 3 but come in fast.

Moving up 5 places from 34 to 29 is not much of a change for me. Assuming Dean is the 4th matched player, 9 has to be the target. 34 and 41 will come in fast by then and I expect there will be someone we really want at 9 that would be worth jumping up 4 places.

Otherwise, there will be good options at 13. Just not the midfielders I rate.

In terms of matching, our 2 picks in the 50’s should move into decent points if there is a Williams or Banfield bid.

 

[noobermensch]

Looks to me like our best bet is to get into pick swap discussions with Essendon to see who they're interested in, and then not take any of those players.

You don't need to do that. Dodoro was given the ass a couple of years ago after 20+ years of failure so the legend is available as a consultant. Bring him on board, write down all his suggestions and then do the opposite.

 

[mezaire]

As I have said before, the only way i see Essendon trading up is if they are somehow guaranteed Duursma.

They have Bryan and Visintini plus a decent array of other talls, they don't need CDT. Plus, I think they will want players who can impact ASAP.

So they would only trade for pick 1, or if we promised not to take Duursma with pick 1, then pick 2.
And, we would be utterly stupid not to take Duursma!!

I don't see Melbourne doing it either as they need quantity as well as quality......Sharp and Schubert might be their type of players

Carlton as an interesting one........would they trade 9 and 10 for 2? Gets them in from of a Dean bid and CDT is actually a pretty good fit for them.
But.....who is left for us at 9 and 10?? The only way this would work is if we KNOW Sharp would still be there at 9!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

As I have said before, the only way i see Essendon trading up is if they are somehow guaranteed Duursma.

They have Bryan and Visintini plus a decent array of other talls, they don't need CDT. Plus, I think they will want players who can impact ASAP.

So they would only trade for pick 1, or if we promised not to take Duursma with pick 1, then pick 2.
And, we would be utterly stupid not to take Duursma!!

I don't see Melbourne doing it either as they need quantity as well as quality......Sharp and Schubert might be their type of players

Carlton as an interesting one........would they trade 9 and 10 for 2? Gets them in from of a Dean bid and CDT is actually a pretty good fit for them.
But.....who is left for us at 9 and 10?? The only way this would work is if we KNOW Sharp would still be there at 9!

Lol. Their list of talls is 2M Peter, Ben Mckay and then a bunch of unproven, limited upside / injury prone players. They'd take CDT in a heartbeat.

 

[Jukes]

As I have said before, the only way i see Essendon trading up is if they are somehow guaranteed Duursma.

They have Bryan and Visintini plus a decent array of other talls, they don't need CDT. Plus, I think they will want players who can impact ASAP.

So they would only trade for pick 1, or if we promised not to take Duursma with pick 1, then pick 2.
And, we would be utterly stupid not to take Duursma!!

I don't see Melbourne doing it either as they need quantity as well as quality......Sharp and Schubert might be their type of players

Carlton as an interesting one........would they trade 9 and 10 for 2? Gets them in from of a Dean bid and CDT is actually a pretty good fit for them.
But.....who is left for us at 9 and 10?? The only way this would work is if we KNOW Sharp would still be there at 9!

Pick 2 might also be a target for clubs to get ahead of Richmond to get Robey. Can also see a world where Richmond trade pick 3 and F2 to us for Pick 2 to prevent another club getting ahead.

 

[LewyBroome]

Let's hope this boy lasts until 34, Ollie Dempsey type.

 

[WCE777]

With 34 and 41, I’d wait until at the QLD prospects have been matched. They will go out 3 but come in fast.

Moving up 5 places from 34 to 29 is not much of a change for me. Assuming Dean is the 4th matched player, 9 has to be the target. 34 and 41 will come in fast by then and I expect there will be someone we really want at 9 that would be worth jumping up 4 places.

Otherwise, there will be good options at 13. Just not the midfielders I rate.

In terms of matching, our 2 picks in the 50’s should move into decent points if there is a Williams or Banfield bid.

Agree with this.
We don't need to do too much if bids come for Williams and Banfield, we have the picks.
Its just if we are after a 4th player from the ND in Curtin/FRod/Swadling as rumoured.
Taking Duursma at 1, Sharp at 2 and not being able to trade up higher with our picks almost solidifies why we will take those 2 players.
Duursma is the number 1 player in the draft and Sharp is the best mid in the draft and cant see why we wouldn't lock and load those two.
13 becomes and interesting spot and talent wise, most unlikely that Cumming falls that far but would be a steal there and it falls into about where Farrow will most likely be.
If we are into Curtin it does mean we are into 1 KP player this year which would be a good draft hand if it was to eventuate.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Wow, some real insightful stuff there. If you want to be a fish, you need to have gills. Who would have thought.

I've heard that the key to winning games, is kicking goals. Preferably more than the opposition.

 

[FootyOutlier]

Surely this could be a consideration?

Duursma (1), Robey (2), Rodriguez (13)...Can not believe the lack of interest in Robey. He will be a gun

Agreed. Maybe not 13 on Frod. Could probably snag him in the 30s

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I've heard that the key to winning games, is kicking goals. Preferably more than the opposition.

Unless you kick 1.8.14 to 2.1.13 you ain't, GENIUS

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Surely this could be a consideration?

Duursma (1), Robey (2), Rodriguez (13)...Can not believe the lack of interest in Robey. He will be a gun

Rodriguez isn't even listed in the top 40 of most people who've covered the u/18's all years power rankings or mock drafts. Taking him at 13 is a monster reach.

 

[FootyOutlier]

Baring no bids.
1. Duursma
2. Robey
13. Farrow/Dovaston
34. Frod

That would be a decent haul from the ND.
Duursma being the number 1 talent.

Robey being the aggressive mid/forward (who has a potentially high ceilings and can accumulate the ball in the midfield)
Robey would be exactly what Mini is looking for.

Farrow (best WA talent) also has Jordan Dawson

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Jordan Dawson

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29

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190cm

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91kg

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Mid

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D

17.0

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

15.7

4star

K

10.9

4star

HB

4.9

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.0

3star

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0.4

3star

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11.8

3star

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7.8

3star

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4.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

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CL

0.6

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potential. Still a great HBF.
Dovaston - would potentially fit into Minis plan as a small forward.

Frod. Apart from WA talent he is one of the best balanced mids which we need and is great off both sides of his body

 

[Corkintheocean]

Midfields aren't built in a draft and they really aren't built in a weak draft like this one is said to be. I'm happy with bids on the Gold Coast and Brisbane NGAs, then Duursma and CDT, whoever at 13, then Banfield and the NGAs.

Then hit what is meant to be a stronger draft with another top 3 pick next year.

The benefit of going Duursma and CDT is that they will require some time to mature, meaning we'll suck again and be able to hit the top end of the draft next year where there is hopefully some better mid prospects. No point taking B graders and expecting our W/L record to turn around.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Pick 2 might also be a target for clubs to get ahead of Richmond to get Robey. Can also see a world where Richmond trade pick 3 and F2 to us for Pick 2 to prevent another club getting ahead.

This is a good outcome.

Moves us down to 3. Adds a F2.

Then if we were confident that Tigers wouldn't take Sharp at 4 if CDT isn't available, we trade 3 for 5 and a F2.

So draft ends up.

1. Duursma (WCE)
2. Robey (tigers)
3. CDT (essendon)
4. Grilj?? Someone not Sharp (tigers)
5. Sharp (WCE)

Get who we were after and add two very good F2 for next year.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

I don't want Robey. Their, I've said it. Not for us. I think will come back to bite who ever takes him. Would fit right into the bombers!

 

[uptheWC]

Let's hope this boy lasts until 34, Ollie Dempsey type.

Feel Adelaide will take him with their first

 

[Farmer Lister]

I don't want Robey. Their, I've said it. Not for us. I think will come back to bite who ever takes him. Would fit right into the bombers!

What don't you like about Robey? Solid mover, good midfield prospect, great at marking, knows where the goals are. I like Robey and would be happy if we picked him with 2. I would be fine with CDT and Sharp as well, they all have their pros and cons.

 

[WCE777]

I don't want Robey. Their, I've said it. Not for us. I think will come back to bite who ever takes him. Would fit right into the bombers!

Robey is a reach, if someone else wants him then fine, they take the risk.
I would take the best performed mid of the last 2 years, Sharp!

 

[Chris_6678]

Drafting players to be depth for our WAFL side is everything that is wrong with that setup. I mean it's good having these extra spots but for it to make sure we don't get flogged in the WAFL is just stupid.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

Drafting players to be depth for our WAFL side is everything that is wrong with that setup. I mean it's good having these extra spots but for it to make sure we don't get flogged in the WAFL is just stupid.

This point can't be made enough. Seems to me that most other reserves sides are genuine standalone teams in their own right. We lose most games even with afl players in the team, can't even imagine how bad it would be if we had another injury crisis or something and beagles had to stand on their own.

 

[Farmer Lister]

Drafting players to be depth for our WAFL side is everything that is wrong with that setup. I mean it's good having these extra spots but for it to make sure we don't get flogged in the WAFL is just stupid.

Nah developing a successful, winning mentality with the development squad is pretty important IMO. If the WAFL didn't saddle us with ammo top ups it would be a different story.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Do the VFL sides have reserves sides like all the WAFL teams except ours?

That's a big issue. Back in the day our raw kids would play in the reserves until they were ready to step up. And if they couldn't step up they'd be delisted. Simples.

Now we have the likes of Barnett shitting it up in a League side. For a player who admits he has confidence issues, that's never going to work.

 

[Underdog]

Drafting players to be depth for our WAFL side is everything that is wrong with that setup. I mean it's good having these extra spots but for it to make sure we don't get flogged in the WAFL is just stupid.

Yep, shouldn't be chocked full with mid talents. We should be using the opportunity to explore speculative picks with elite traits. There's a balance though