List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[thebutterflyeffect]

I'd take 5 and 15 for 2. Allows us to try and package 13 and 15 for a late top 10 (pick 9 or maybe 8 from Melbourne), or trade for a F1 from a middling team.

2 and Eagles F2 for 5 and Bombers F1 would be an absolute steal! The F1 could be a top 4 pick. I really doubt Bombers would do it.

So overall we go from pick 2 and 13 to pick 5 and 8 or 9. So a three pick downgrade at the pointiest end of the draft to a 4/5 pick upgrade at a high but not top end of the draft?

Feels like a loss for us, especially considering the word is this a weak draft and the absolute top end has separated from the rest.

 

[Barrybran]

I don't really agree at all. Richmond last year traded pick 26 or whatever for a future first. If the Bombers are that desperate for pick 2 we should only accept our first preference whatever that is and not negotiate to our second or third preference.

Expecting anyone to repeat North's craziness is not reasonable. We should look at what we want and deal accordingly.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Curious as I'm not a draft watcher but where do your contacts rate Sharp?

From reading this thread seems like there is a feel he is basically a sure thing as the next Patrick Cripps/Tom Green whereas the other likely pick 2 candidates are super high risk and are far more likely than DS to be busts.

Rating for Sharp all top 6 in open draft. Input that it’s more likely needs after Duursma. Both CDT and Sharp move from 2 to 6, but clubs are being very coy this year. Cal will have to do some serious sucking up to get his perfect ordering.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Expecting anyone to repeat North's craziness is not reasonable. We should look at what we want and deal accordingly.

I just don't see why we would accept a break even result when we have the best assets. I'm not sure if getting a couple of midfielders, at least one which has to be somewhat speculative in a weak draft is worth losing the best talent

 

[Wce17]

No, that's trading out of this draft and kicking the can down the road....again. We need 3 picks, preferably inside 10.

You potentially don't want a better pick in what is looking like a stronger draft? Maybe we see how the talent comes on that we have this year & then we have more picks to target areas of need next year

Kicking the can down the road another year really isn't going to make a difference. We might win a few more games next year but even if all goes well but we still will be down the ladder.

We have plenty of young talent we need to get games into to see if they have a future so staggering picks isn't a bad idea.

Having 3 picks inside the top 10 isn't going to magically fix us. As an example Essendon a few years ago had 3 picks in Archie Perkins, Nic Cox & Zac Reid & it really so far hasn't worked out well.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

When I see people thinking we're gonna be hardarses at the trade table and walk away with 5 and 6 or 5 and a future 1st for 2:

 

[Happy Mastenator]

It was poorly written, it’s likely to mean they are looking at both picks 9 and 11 but the trade will only involve one of them. 9 for 16 + F1 (Adelaide), probably with Blues F2/F3 going back for example.

2 for 5 and 15 is classic WCE. I wouldn’t be keen on that with the talent at 15 but I’d do 2 and F2 (WCE) for 5 and F1 (ESS) if they are “obsessed” with CDT.

2 for 5 and 15 would have to be the best offer on the table when the bell goes with an assurance that Richmond don’t take both Sharp and Cumming to pull the trigger on that.

They aren’t giving their F1 up. It’s likely a top 3 pick next year.

 

[Weshi]

I like Riley too, slid all the way to my second pick for Collingwood in the mock draft.

One thing I did notice reading up on him, is that despite his obvious standout traits, physicality is supposedly an area that needs improvement.

IMPROVEMENTS:

• Competitiveness
• Endurance

"Despite his size and power, Onley isn't necessarily a crash-and-bash type on the inside and could perhaps develop his physicality. He has the traits to be an imposing figure, so if he can add mongrel and greater defensive acts, it will go a long way to compounding his overall impact."

Now despite having said all of that, I still agree he could be very very good. Just wanted to point it out.

Anybody here seen him play live who could share some thoughts?

Riley Onley Draft Profile

Murray Bushrangers midfielder Riley Onley possesses power and speed at 195cm, providing a point of difference among this year's crop.

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"so if he can add mongrel" This is probably harder so fix than kicking.
You do occasionally see a kid transform but for most they either have it or don't!

 

[evans1863]

They aren’t giving their F1 up. It’s likely a top 3 pick next year.

Depends how much they want CDT.

It's not necessarily giving up but sliding back like we did to get Baker, and they don't look like a team who are ready to accept they're in a rebuild either. They'll back themselves to finish mid-table, as much as I agree with you that it's a likely top 3 pick.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

2 and 13 for 5 and 6.

That's the cost if they want CDT. Otherwise watch us or Richmond take him.

5 and 6 means we get two of Sharp, Cumming, Schubert

 

[Broken_Chairs]

That’s what we want to hear.

ROB & talls - name a better duo

 

[Doashuey]

Probably the most well articulated and balanced assessment I’ve seen on here in favour of Sharp.

The game is always changing and the inside mid ‘toilers’ that you refer to have been going out of fashion and getting pushed out of clubs at a record rate.

Sharp has been viewed as the ‘safe’ option with a higher floor and lower ceiling, but the early picked inside mids that have gone before him (Phillips/Hobbs) do raise concerns, and they were drafted when game styles favoured pure inside mids far more than now. Unless it’s the absolute best like Tom Green or Rowell, I can see one-dimensional inside mids getting phased out even more in favour of the run and gun mids that can also play other positions.

In the modern game, and particularly the way Mini wants us to play, the explosive types are the highest need and far more damaging. Yes we need an extractor but do we need to spend pick 2 on one in a weak draft? We have clearly targeted some mature inside mids as rookie role players that could plug and play to an acceptable level.

We need balance in the mids but with our attacking style and the flexibility of Harley/Elijah/Robey to rotate forward, you could easily have two attacking mids and one more defensive option in the starting CBAs then rotate more guys through stoppages with versatility. Have one of the three start forward at each CBA to create match up headaches with the option also of some HB rotations like Duursma/Tmac/Allan into the mids.

Not every draft has a Dusty/Danger/Petracca prototype, last year Lalor rose late as that type of player. This year doesn’t have the level of talent as some drafts but IF there was a player that could become that damaging mid bull that can play as a genuine forward, then Robey looks the most likely. I wouldn’t want to miss out on that in favour of an honest toiler in Sharp.

Not against picking him up all together, he seems like a very solid character, but doesn’t look like having the weapons to have a high impact in the modern game.

If we pass on CDT at pick 2 and want a midfielder to address needs, I would be surprised if we didn’t take Robey over Sharp. Thankfully I’m finally seeing some posts coming around to the idea of Robey. If we split and landed Sharp and Cumming I would also be okay with that. But not Sharp at pick 2.

I would still be 60/40 that we take CDT over Robey but I could see it being 50/50 come draft night. Maybe that is a ploy to dangle the pick 2 carrot in a trade or maybe (hopefully) we will go the best available mid at pick 2 and take Robey. If we get Carlton’s pick 9 and Sharp slides to there then even better.

I mostly agree with this but from what Im led to believe Sharp isn't just a 1 trick pony with regards to inside mid only and does have the ability to play stints forward and hit the scoreboard. Maybe more avid underage watchers can correct me here but that's what I have heard.
I think we do need an inside bull and that loading up on the dynamic mid/forward hybrids like Harley and Hewett by adding Robey may make our midfield less balanced with an over reliance on Graham to do the grunt work. Im leaning towards grabbing the best bull in the market this year in Sharp to give us a good midfield balance for the years to come.
Lots of noise about us bidding on Dean with pick 2 so I think it is quite likely that we move our pick 13 up the order to 9 with Carlton, which may or may not net us Sharp. I think we are leveraging our position there which may make a pick 2+9 for 5 and 6 with Bombers more likely to get him. Of course, that may not be possible if we get pick 9 with the guarantee of not trading pick 2.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

ROB & talls - name a better duo

ROB and HBF with midfield potential?

Although that seems to be embedded in our DNA at this stage.

 

[mitchzz]

Personally, I'd be ok if we did 2 for 5 and 15... IF it guaranteed us Sharp

1 - Duursma
5 - Sharp
13 - Dovaston/Lindsay
15 - Phillipou/Farrow/NHH

 

[Broken_Chairs]

ROB and HBF with midfield potential?

Although that seems to be embedded in our DNA at this stage.

Just prayin' at the very least we stop using our first pick each draft on these types

 

[Rowan18]

So overall we go from pick 2 and 13 to pick 5 and 8 or 9. So a three pick downgrade at the pointiest end of the draft to a 4/5 pick upgrade at a high but not top end of the draft?

Feels like a loss for us, especially considering the word is this a weak draft and the absolute top end has separated from the rest.

From what I've read here, there is a standout top player (Duursma) and then it's pretty even in the rest of the top 10 (depending on if you think CDT is a standout top 2 which I don't).

In my trade above, I'd hope to get Duursma and Sharp, then have flexibility to take the best that slides out to 8 or 9. Dream would be Cumming, but it would also let us get Schubert or Dovaston. Id be very happy with a draft that gives us two complimentary mids (Duursma Sharp) and then some forward depth (Dovaston or Schubert depending on if we want small or tall). Our NGAs then give us developing players for mid/forward, so we will have added options to address all our deficiencies (except ruck which sounds like 2026 is a better draft for that).

Nail a draft like the above and we have talent developing across the field. Allows us to maximise the chances of getting a balanced team in a couple of years.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

CDT is a shit nickname so I hope if we do get him we go the obvious route:

Notice the problem he's thrusting towards is east?

Lock it in.

 

[Lia]

5 and 15 is not good enough at all. If the injectors want CDT, pony up.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

From that article



Looking at getting good value from trading down pick 2 to 5 - 2 for 5 and 15 would be a good result. Getting a F1 would be even better although you’d think we’d be sending a F2 back in that instance

Adelaide eyeing of picks 9 and 11 isn’t so good as it would mean those picks would be used instead of potentially being lost in a match for Dean. It obviously also means we’d be unable to move up to 9

That said 9 and 11 for 16 and Adelaide’s F1 is a pretty horrible looking trade for Carlton

It may well have been an earlier article but the current HUN states

The Crows have been weighing up trading pick 16 this year and a future first-round selection for Carlton’s picks 9 and 11 this year.

So Crows would be angling to get a greater haul of the SA talent.
9 likely to see a possibility to get one of Schubert or Cumming while 11 gets them Marsh.

 

[random260]

If we don’t trade it’s pretty good indication we’re into CDT you would think.

That's not the case because there is no guarantee that sharp slides to 5. This is not how this works....

Tigers are threatening to take Sharp at 3. Its clear as day whats going on

 

[Deepthroat]

It may well have been an earlier article but the current HUN states

The Crows have been weighing up trading pick 16 this year and a future first-round selection for Carlton’s picks 9 and 11 this year.

So Crows would be angling to get a greater haul of the SA talent.
9 likely to see a possibility to get one of Schubert or Cumming while 11 gets them Marsh.

So '25 Pick 16 and '26 pick Pick

For '25 pick 9 and '25 pick 11....

Great deal for the Crows....

 

[beagles]

Any trade of 1 or 2 has to be heavily weighted to WC or we take the best 2 prospects being Duursma and Duff-Tytler who are clearly the the top talent in this draft.

2 for 5 & 6/f1 is the measure I'd be looking for or it's not compelling enough to give up the talented pair.

 

[bzparkes]

That's not the case because there is no guarantee that sharp slides to 5. This is not how this works....

Tigers are threatening to take Sharp at 3. Its clear as day whats going on

Or what?

What can they possibly threaten us with?

Would also be dumb list management, considering they took Smillie just last year. Go ahead and take him and Grlj, we'll just take Robey instead.

 

[Obeanie1]

If Essondon have pick 2 CDT
Who do Richmond take at 3 and 4

Robey and Grlj.

They won't go both Sharp and Cumming. One will be there if not both.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

That’s what we want to hear.

The dots are beginning to join...