List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[FatPizza]

Hopefully this one doesn’t lose his receipts

Can't lose something you never had.

 

[Mr Q]

Don't worry about the Essendon campaigner who was about as honest as Hirdy's strength program.

If Essendon are desperate for CDT, the only way they definitely get him is pick 2 - which means they either cough up what the Eagles ask for, or accept that they can't have him.

I'd ask for 5+F1 for 2+F2 (I'd be OK with ours instead of SKs). Then hang up unless they send the "OK then" text message. Best case is that we're trading 22 or so for 2 next year, worst case is 19 for about 7. And I have zero problem with deathriding Essendon, that's for sure.

If they don't want this, we'll have CDT instead and they can cry about it. Like they did when everyone found out about Hirdy's strength program.

 

[evans1863]

The plan all along has been 3 top 10 picks + NGAs + Banfield. Picking up 15 to move back from 2 to 5 doesn't seem worth it to me. We should be able to upgrade 13 to 9 without 15 getting involved.

Getting Essendon's F1 has to be the priority here. It could put us in a spot to get 2 top 3 picks, or another 3 top 10 picks in a much stronger draft next year.

I know people are desperate for a sugar hit but the long-term goal has to be getting the best talent we can available, and if it needs to be done in multiple drafts then so be it.

 

[Jeremy McLovin]

The question on the desire for Drug Rats to get the CDT pick 2 is who wants to move out of the first 6 slots and what is available in the teens to attract a drop back.

How badly do we want CDT?
If high, then 5+15 probably does not go close to cutting it.
If open to discuss, then 5+15 is a fair offer. Not exciting, just eking out value. It does not mean we take it on its own. We are on record saying we want to move up from 13, not add another pick in that range. If we were able to sell it for a F1, I am more open. If we take the deal on its own and do nothing else, it says we did not rate CDT or feared the go home factor.

Tigers have mentioned they would be open for a split. From what is reported, Tigers are tossing up 2 of Robey, Grlj, X Taylor, Sharp and Cumming at 3+4. Why would they do 4 for 13+15+41? Tigers get assurance of Robey at 3, then 2 of Grlj, Dovaston, Oscar Taylor, Farrow, Lindsay, Greeves, Marsh, Phillipou or NH-H 13 and 15. Plus they get a pick for Kellaway points. That would get them a record number of R1 picks in 2 years for a non expansion club (something like 9 or 10).

I always try to look at it from both sides

Essendon
In 2
Out 5 21 27
Makes sense if the Drug Rats have a boner for CDT. They walk away with 2 (CDT) plus who they wanted at 6 and their NGA pairing.

Tigers
In 13 15 41
Out 4
Tigers get their primary target at 3 (supposedly Robey) and 2 very good at 13+15 plus Kellaway points. They have need for an attacking HBF, a dangerous forward and another mid and 2 at 13+15 will be there.

Eagles
In 4 5
Out 2 13 41
While we miss on CDT, definitely get 2 of Robey, Sharp, Cumming to our engine room. Still hold 34 for use on a slider, matching a bid or trading for a F2 on the night. (On draft night, once the 4 Qld and Blues bids matched, 53 and 58 will be more seriously in the points)

Really like this idea, just not sure on it from Richmond's end.

 

[budwinkle]

I've been thinking that 2+9 should be able to get Essendon to move from 5+6, they move up three spots on one pick and slide three spots on the other. Might be able to do a three-way trade with them and Carlton so Essendon contribute a little bit of the points gain for Carlton. Maybe something like:
WCE give
2,13,41
WCE receive
5,6
Ess give
5,6,30
Ess receive
2,9,43
Carl give
9,43
Carl receive
13,30,41

• Carlton get a 215 point boost and both WCE and Ess can commit to staying away from Dean
• We give up some points, but end up with 5 and 6 which puts us right where the SA guys should be rather than reaching at pick 2. We pretty much guarantee ourselved 2 of Sharp, Cumming, Schubert.
• Essendon make a 112 point surplus and can also guarantee themselves one of Robey or CDT

I feel like this is pretty fair all around, and the whole deal builds a little bit of intangible value for Carlton due to involving two clubs who can commit to not bidding on Dean.

Why would we do this ??? We have pick 2 !!! If essendon want it they have got to buy it off us !!! If anyone comes out in front it should be us we hold the cards (pick2) why would we fold ???

 

[Elite Pete]

The plan all along has been 3 top 10 picks + NGAs + Banfield. Picking up 15 to move back from 2 to 5 doesn't seem worth it to me. We should be able to upgrade 13 to 9 without 15 getting involved.

Getting Essendon's F1 has to be the priority here. It could put us in a spot to get 2 top 3 picks, or another 3 top 10 picks in a much stronger draft next year.

I know people are desperate for a sugar hit but the long-term goal has to be getting the best talent we can available, and if it needs to be done in multiple drafts then so be it.

Taking a kid in the current draft rather then next years is now a sugar hit?

Depending on the deal there is a line of sugar hit and kicking the can down the road too with young list and getting development into the kids asap.

You just hope the list team can balance it well.

 

[Barrybran]

What is this deal for 15 supposed to be?

21 + 27 doesn't make sense for the Bombers as they would need another pick back and Gold Coast aren't giving up points. Pick 18 works but then 5 + 18 won't work for us.

 

[Deepthroat]

Feel like the ruck rule change is a big deal for Bailey Williams.

Hitouts have never been an issue for Bailey.

Any form of meaningful impact around the ground has been his problem.

I can't see the ruck rules fixing that.

 

[Ilkka Sinisalo]

The plan all along has been 3 top 10 picks + NGAs + Banfield. Picking up 15 to move back from 2 to 5 doesn't seem worth it to me. We should be able to upgrade 13 to 9 without 15 getting involved.

Getting Essendon's F1 has to be the priority here. It could put us in a spot to get 2 top 3 picks, or another 3 top 10 picks in a much stronger draft next year.

I know people are desperate for a sugar hit but the long-term goal has to be getting the best talent we can available, and if it needs to be done in multiple drafts then so be it.

Sounds great, but there's a slim chance that Essendon are dumb enough to throw away what's likely to be an early first round pick. Can't hurt to ask (especially if it's in the context of something like 2 and F2 for 5/6 and F1) but it's unlikely that they'll bite.

 

[Keys]

If Adelaide are chasing pick 9 OR 11 not both as pointed out by eaglevision using pick 16 and their F1, is that a better offer than us with 13 and 34

Assuming a bid on Dean comes at Essendon’s first pick and after the three northern academy players have been bid for and matched, it would be pick 8. By that time -

Carlton’s picks 9,11 will be 12,14
Our pick 13 will be 16
Adelaide’s pick 16 will be 19

Carlton don’t trade they lose both picks and get pick 18 back

Carlton trade 9 to Adelaide they lose both picks and get 28 back plus they’d have Adelaide’s F1

Carlton trade 9 to us they lose both picks and get 24 back plus they’d have pick 34 which would have come into about 30 due to the other bid matches

So pick 28 and Adelaide’s F1 or picks 24 and ~30

Hate to say it but what Adelaide are offering is far superior to what we can put on the table unless we offer our F2 instead of 34 - even then I think Adelaide is in front.

After jumping ahead of us to get Curtin in 2023 it looks like they might repeat the dose this year. It’s a risky trade for them though if they can’t repeat this years efforts which was built, in part, on the back of a soft draw. A pick in the low teens next year or lower to move up 7 spots is a bold call

 

[evans1863]

Sounds great, but there's a slim chance that Essendon are dumb enough to throw away what's likely to be an early first round pick. Can't hurt to ask (especially if it's in the context of something like 2 and F2 for 5/6 and F1) but it's unlikely that they'll bite.

I agree with you in general.

It kind of depends just how 'desperate' Essendon are to get CDT.

They are also in a weird situation why by not cashing in on Merrett - they have pretty much confirmed that they are not ready for a rebuild. In all their stupidity, they will fancy themselves to finish lower midtable and to avoid a top 5 pick next year.

There is a slim world where this trade happens and I think we should hold out for it.

 

[Doashuey]

Why so many of you choose to interact with someone obviously just trying to get a reaction I have no idea.

2 for 5 + 15 as a trade option should be great news for most here who are keen on Sharp>CDT.
Would also put us in a position to shuffle around picks 13 + 15 to get another pick back in the top 10.
As I've said before, if we hold pick 2 I think it's highly likely we select CDT, this route would let us go the Sharp/Robey/Cumming path.

In a thread that is over 100 pages long where every possible iteration of trading picks and who will be selected has been discussed to the Nth degree with a few weeks left before draft night, sometimes it is just simply a bit of fun to get down in the dirt and play with the Trolls for something different.
Everyone knows the game, it's not like he is fooling anyone.

 

[bzparkes]

Why so many of you choose to interact with someone obviously just trying to get a reaction I have no idea.

2 for 5 + 15 as a trade option should be great news for most here who are keen on Sharp>CDT.
Would also put us in a position to shuffle around picks 13 + 15 to get another pick back in the top 10.
As I've said before, if we hold pick 2 I think it's highly likely we select CDT, this route would let us go the Sharp/Robey/Cumming path.

Terrible trade.

If Essendon are so desperate for the pick, they are the ones who should be doing the work to guarantee us another top 10 pick, not us doing the trading then hoping for a buyer.

 

[Deepthroat]

Terrible trade.

If Essendon are so desperate for the pick, they are the ones who should be doing the work to guarantee us another top 10 pick, not us doing the trading then hoping for a buyer.

Essendon set the bar during trade period.

"If you want what we have, you have to pay up".

We need a COMPELLING offer.

 

[Schtinker]

So we offer Pick 1 for 3+4, and Pick 2 for 5+6. Totally own the draft and everyone (well almost) is happy. There'd still be people complaining.

 

[Keys]

If pick 2 is going to used for Duff-Tytler by whoever is holding it at the time then:

• What do we need to convince us to pass on him given pick 5 gets us a choice from at least one of Robey, Cumming or Sharp depending on who Richmond take with their two picks (3 and 4)
• And what will Essendon be prepared to give up to go the other way to guarantee themselves CDT

In all honesty it’s not a big gap so expectations need to be tempered, however the onus is on Essendon to sway us, not the other way round

Imo, I think the best result for us would be moving pick 13 into the top 10 along with pick 5 or a future pick(s) - pick 5 and their F1 for 2 and our F2 would be good busines for us but Essendon would need to be very keen to offer that

 

[WCEswift]

So assuming no CDT is taken.

Where does any form of ruck prospect eventuate from?

theres 5 or 6 rucks next year who would be first rounders this year 3 from WA alone

 

[ghostbat12]

Payback/Clubs to screw at trade table:

• Geelong. Kelly Trade. Free farms to players.
• Hawthorn. Trading out their picks prematurely. Harley. Allan thing. Mitchell. List is long.
• Essendon. For not accepting our 5/6 for 2/13. We also don't know what to do with extra pies.
• Port. Ebert. yes, long memory.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Really like this idea, just not sure on it from Richmond's end.

That is the crunch call

Tigers stay put = Robey and one of X Taylor or Grlj

Tigers slide = Robey plus 2 bites at a teens R1.


Is X Taylor alone better than a chance for Grlj plus O Taylor. Or Grlj is gone and its O Taylor PLUS one of Dovaston or Phillipou.

Tigers are big on Grlj but know its a reach at 4.
Both Taylors are attacking HBF and a position of need.

 

[rebel23]

Would have tried to pick up elite WAFL players like Murdock or Parfitt if we are going down this route

 

[Farmer Lister]

JTCDT

 

[ghostbat12]

Would have tried to pick up elite WAFL players like Murdock or Parfitt if we are going down this route

don't mind Finn Mac. could be a diamond in rough given their coach prefers midfields over 30 only.

 

[bzparkes]

So we offer Pick 1 for 3+4, and Pick 2 for 5+6. Totally own the draft and everyone (well almost) is happy. There'd still be people complaining.

Well we'd just be giving up the clear best player and one who many 'experts' deign as the clear 2nd best, just to get an extra player we'd probably have access to with our later pick..

 

[txbyhull]

Have clearly missed a lot here. The Onley shout at 13 might be the worst take I’ve seen in this whole thread in the most respectful way possible. The only thing the fella has is the frame. Same as Greeves, we don’t need a big fella that’s going to do absolutely nothing going back the other way. The piece we need in the middle is that big extractor that can actually play both ways, queue Sharp.

I don’t think we end up trading 2, but if we did I’d be looking for a F1 in any event. Honestly I’d consider 2 for F1 straight up if we aren’t planning on taking Sharp or Robey at 2. F1 and one of their 20s picks, then try and move up for 3 in the top 15 + F1. 1, 13, 15 and Bombers F1 would be great considering there’s a bit more appetite to reach in those teens ranges. Take a flier on Oudshoorn-Bennier and Thredgold or Sumner-Pickett or someone.

Edit: I say this as I think with our F1 and Essendon’s I think we are best position for Cochrane next year. He won’t be a ruck but neither will CDT, would rather get Cochrane, Walsh and BVR. That’s the dream

 

[txbyhull]

Would love to try and pick up Oskar Taylor at 13 rather than Farrow. Taking just as much of a risk at a future midfielder, except one’s ceiling is Dawson and the others is Butters. Physical freak is Taylor and can provide much the same run and delivery as McCarthy