List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Keys]

If pick 2 is going to used for Duff-Tytler by whoever is holding it at the time then:

• What do we need to convince us to pass on him given pick 5 gets us a choice from at least one of Robey, Cumming or Sharp depending on who Richmond take with their two picks (3 and 4)
• And what will Essendon be prepared to give up to go the other way to guarantee themselves CDT

In all honesty it’s not a big gap so expectations need to be tempered, however the onus is on Essendon to sway us, not the other way round

Imo, I think the best result for us would be moving pick 13 into the top 10 along with pick 5 or a future pick(s) - pick 5 and their F1 for 2 and our F2 would be good busines for us but Essendon would need to be very keen to offer that

Thinking about this a little more while driving around with only my thoughts for company

West Coast trade picks 2,34 to Essendon for picks 5,21 and their F2

Pick 21 might get us a look at Thredgold or perhaps Barker slides to that pick but there’s some good options who would otherwise be gone by 34. Plus we get a third R2 in 2026 to go with ours and the Saints

Essendon get their man by using a F2 to move up from 5, retain 6 and 34 still gives them the capacity to match a bid on their academy pair. Not much difference to them between 21 and what would become their 3rd pick at 27

 

[Bestbird]

don't mind Finn Mac. could be a diamond in rough given their coach prefers midfields over 30 only.

Finn has the same issue as other delisted inside mids like Hobbs and Clohesy.

A lack of pace and spread. Still worth a punt though

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

If pick 2 is going to used for Duff-Tytler by whoever is holding it at the time then:

• What do we need to convince us to pass on him given pick 5 gets us a choice from at least one of Robey, Cumming or Sharp depending on who Richmond take with their two picks (3 and 4)
• And what will Essendon be prepared to give up to go the other way to guarantee themselves CDT

In all honesty it’s not a big gap so expectations need to be tempered, however the onus is on Essendon to sway us, not the other way round

Imo, I think the best result for us would be moving pick 13 into the top 10 along with pick 5 or a future pick(s) - pick 5 and their F1 for 2 and our F2 would be good busines for us but Essendon would need to be very keen to offer that

I'm not so sure about the last bit. Essendon had a terrible run with injuries this year, quite possible they could finish between 8-10 next year. With bids that could mean their first pick could come in around 10-13. We'd essentially be trading pick 2 (potentially 3 assuming Uwland bid), whatever our future 2nd is (say something approaching 30 accounting for bids) for 5 and say something like 11.

If that were to pan out (which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility) I'd say that's in our favour but not a massive win.

 

[BSD]

Hitouts have never been an issue for Bailey.

Any form of meaningful impact around the ground has been his problem.

I can't see the ruck rules fixing that.

He must be colour blind judging by the number of times he puts it down the throat of the opposition at throw ups.
I also can't see the ruck rules fixing that problem.

 

[Barrybran]

Have clearly missed a lot here. The Onley shout at 13 might be the worst take I’ve seen in this whole thread in the most respectful way possible. The only thing the fella has is the frame. Same as Greeves, we don’t need a big fella that’s going to do absolutely nothing going back the other way. The piece we need in the middle is that big extractor that can actually play both ways, queue Sharp.

I don’t think we end up trading 2, but if we did I’d be looking for a F1 in any event. Honestly I’d consider 2 for F1 straight up if we aren’t planning on taking Sharp or Robey at 2. F1 and one of their 20s picks, then try and move up for 3 in the top 15 + F1. 1, 13, 15 and Bombers F1 would be great considering there’s a bit more appetite to reach in those teens ranges. Take a flier on Oudshoorn-Bennier and Thredgold or Sumner-Pickett or someone.

Edit: I say this as I think with our F1 and Essendon’s I think we are best position for Cochrane next year. He won’t be a ruck but neither will CDT, would rather get Cochrane, Walsh and BVR. That’s the dream

If Sharp slides to 9, this could work. Very left field thinking. Not bad.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

The question on the desire for Drug Rats to get the CDT pick 2 is who wants to move out of the first 6 slots and what is available in the teens to attract a drop back.

How badly do we want CDT?
If high, then 5+15 probably does not go close to cutting it.
If open to discuss, then 5+15 is a fair offer. Not exciting, just eking out value. It does not mean we take it on its own. We are on record saying we want to move up from 13, not add another pick in that range. If we were able to sell it for a F1, I am more open. If we take the deal on its own and do nothing else, it says we did not rate CDT or feared the go home factor.

Tigers have mentioned they would be open for a split. From what is reported, Tigers are tossing up 2 of Robey, Grlj, X Taylor, Sharp and Cumming at 3+4. Why would they do 4 for 13+15+41? Tigers get assurance of Robey at 3, then 2 of Grlj, Dovaston, Oscar Taylor, Farrow, Lindsay, Greeves, Marsh, Phillipou or NH-H 13 and 15. Plus they get a pick for Kellaway points. That would get them a record number of R1 picks in 2 years for a non expansion club (something like 9 or 10).

I always try to look at it from both sides

Essendon
In 2
Out 5 21 27
Makes sense if the Drug Rats have a boner for CDT. They walk away with 2 (CDT) plus who they wanted at 6 and their NGA pairing.

Tigers
In 13 15 41
Out 4
Tigers get their primary target at 3 (supposedly Robey) and 2 very good at 13+15 plus Kellaway points. They have need for an attacking HBF, a dangerous forward and another mid and 2 at 13+15 will be there.

Eagles
In 4 5
Out 2 13 41
While we miss on CDT, definitely get 2 of Robey, Sharp, Cumming to our engine room. Still hold 34 for use on a slider, matching a bid or trading for a F2 on the night. (On draft night, once the 4 Qld and Blues bids matched, 53 and 58 will be more seriously in the points)

This is elite.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

don't mind Finn Mac. could be a diamond in rough given their coach prefers midfields over 30 only.

Craig McRae gives me Simmo vibes. Not just his overall demeanour but the fact that he's had success and now seems to be running the team into the ground with his old favourites. The cliff is very fast approaching for the pies. I expect it won't be long before they're missing finals.

 

[kane249]

I would be very happy with Onley at 13, or if we can snare an even earlier pick, like 9. 195 cm and runs like the wind, that's a scary prospect as a midfielder. He knows his craft too. Is physical, what's not to like?

I like Riley too, slid all the way to my second pick for Collingwood in the mock draft.

Onley Fans?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

In a thread that is over 100 pages long where every possible iteration of trading picks and who will be selected has been discussed to the Nth degree with a few weeks left before draft night, sometimes it is just simply a bit of fun to get down in the dirt and play with the Trolls for something different.
Everyone knows the game, it's not like he is fooling anyone.

That is fine for the contracts thread - a number of us were sick of trolls hence we specifically set up a more tightly controlled thread

 

[NSLK]

Onley Fans?

Riley and Reid would be a good pair.

 

[kingerzz]

What are people thoughts on this trade:

WCE Give: 2, 13, 34, St K F2
WCE Get: 5, 9, 11

CAR Give: 9, 11, 43, 54
CAR Get: 13, ESS F2, St K F2, 21, 27, 30

ESS Give: 5, 21, 27, 30, F2
ESS Get: 2, 34, 43, 54

Obviously this would require us to rookie list at least Cripps and ideally Barnett to open up some list spots, Carlton get points for Dean and Walker next year, Essendon get CDT and maintain 5 usable picks this year that their board says they'll use. They will likely also get a picks next year for Merrett so probs less concerned about giving up a F2.

 

[hammer180]

The question on the desire for Drug Rats to get the CDT pick 2 is who wants to move out of the first 6 slots and what is available in the teens to attract a drop back.

How badly do we want CDT?
If high, then 5+15 probably does not go close to cutting it.
If open to discuss, then 5+15 is a fair offer. Not exciting, just eking out value. It does not mean we take it on its own. We are on record saying we want to move up from 13, not add another pick in that range. If we were able to sell it for a F1, I am more open. If we take the deal on its own and do nothing else, it says we did not rate CDT or feared the go home factor.

Tigers have mentioned they would be open for a split. From what is reported, Tigers are tossing up 2 of Robey, Grlj, X Taylor, Sharp and Cumming at 3+4. Why would they do 4 for 13+15+41? Tigers get assurance of Robey at 3, then 2 of Grlj, Dovaston, Oscar Taylor, Farrow, Lindsay, Greeves, Marsh, Phillipou or NH-H 13 and 15. Plus they get a pick for Kellaway points. That would get them a record number of R1 picks in 2 years for a non expansion club (something like 9 or 10).

I always try to look at it from both sides

Essendon
In 2
Out 5 21 27
Makes sense if the Drug Rats have a boner for CDT. They walk away with 2 (CDT) plus who they wanted at 6 and their NGA pairing.

Tigers
In 13 15 41
Out 4
Tigers get their primary target at 3 (supposedly Robey) and 2 very good at 13+15 plus Kellaway points. They have need for an attacking HBF, a dangerous forward and another mid and 2 at 13+15 will be there.

Eagles
In 4 5
Out 2 13 41
While we miss on CDT, definitely get 2 of Robey, Sharp, Cumming to our engine room. Still hold 34 for use on a slider, matching a bid or trading for a F2 on the night. (On draft night, once the 4 Qld and Blues bids matched, 53 and 58 will be more seriously in the points)

Pardon the interruption, Richmond's list manager has said the draft isn't great after like 15 spots or so, i think if under this scenario Richmond would have 38 and 41, if they could probably move up to essendons 21 i think the trade would be difficult to say no to. Giving away 4 and 38 for 13 15 21. Even though 21 is still outside that range there probably a decent chance someone falls.

 

[eaglevision]

Pardon the interruption, Richmond's list manager has said the draft isn't great after like 15 spots or so

When did Matthew Clarke say that?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

 

[FatPizza]

Why did it take Clarke so long?

 

[paran]

I'm liking Addinsall and NHH. I think Addinsall will become a quality inside mid - great endurance, clean hands and vision at stoppages, no dinky hand balls, compact build, reasonable kick and strong accumulator. I'd definitely force GC to match pick 1 and 2 if it meant us having a chance to grab him at "13".

NHH looks a dead ringer for LeCras. Medium forward with a dead eye set shot a very solid mark for his size. Great kick when he's aiming too.

 

[Doashuey]

That is fine for the contracts thread - a number of us were sick of trolls hence we specifically set up a more tightly controlled thread

And that's fine mate, they can be booted as the Mods see fit. Just sating Ballsohard curiosity as to why posters respond to some blatant trolls.

 

[PepperTom32]

Payback/Clubs to screw at trade table:

• Geelong. Kelly Trade. Free farms to players.
• Hawthorn. Trading out their picks prematurely. Harley. Allan thing. Mitchell. List is long.
• Essendon. For not accepting our 5/6 for 2/13. We also don't know what to do with extra pies.
• Port. Ebert. yes, long memory.

ROB does

 

[Shueygod]

2 and WCE27f1 for 5 and ESS26F1

Good chance they do that as they’ll need points for Bewick which could be a struggle in the compromised draft.

 

[mattyc75]

Thinking about this a little more while driving around with only my thoughts for company

West Coast trade picks 2,34 to Essendon for picks 5,21 and their F2

Pick 21 might get us a look at Thredgold or perhaps Barker slides to that pick but there’s some good options who would otherwise be gone by 34. Plus we get a third R2 in 2026 to go with ours and the Saints

Essendon get their man by using a F2 to move up from 5, retain 6 and 34 still gives them the capacity to match a bid on their academy pair. Not much difference to them between 21 and what would become their 3rd pick at 27

You sound lonely

 

[nameless]

Why did it take Clarke so long?

Imagine criticising someone for doing due diligence, should the recruiting team just take them without taking the time to understand how they will fit in the limited list spots, the delisted free agents available and the potential players we take on draft night?

 

[Avalor]

This is a good watch on the draft prospects. People saying this is a weak draft are trying to fool us, IMO, there are at least 30 good picks.
Anyway, watch Pom in Oz and Daz.

 

[txbyhull]

This is a good watch on the draft prospects. People saying this is a weak draft are trying to fool us, IMO, there are at least 30 good picks.
Anyway, watch Pom in Oz and Daz.

30 good picks is crazy talk. There’s probably 25-30 kids in this draft that get drafted most years. Over half this talent pool wouldn’t have had a shot last year or the year before. Even as far out as the early second round some of those third tier mids like Oudshoorn-Bennier who I love, wouldn’t have been taken in the opening 2 rounds of last year. Even the late teens of this draft would’ve been second half of round 2 last year. Past your Farrow range you’ve got certified C grade prospects. But it’s all relative at the end of the day

 

[ziad]

Imagine criticising someone for doing due diligence, should the recruiting team just take them without taking the time to understand how they will fit in the limited list spots, the delisted free agents available and the potential players we take on draft night?

best use of the time available

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Why did it take Clarke so long?

To be fair, Carlton didn't nominate Harry Dean, who's a slam dunk top 7 or 8 pick in the draft until yesterday. Nothing wrong with taking all time allotted to make list decisions.