List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Wooshaaaa]

I'm still in the camp of trading 2 13 for 5 6 and whatever other picks needed to make it happen..

1 duursma
5 sharp
6 cumming.

 

[Monsterdarlz]

There is very few scenarios where 34 isn't absorbed for Williams.

And no garuentee that FROD is there if we pass on williams

 

[FKASC]

I'm still in the camp of trading 2 13 for 5 6 and whatever other picks needed to make it happen..

1 duursma
5 sharp
6 cumming.

Pick 2 + F1 for 5, 6 + F1

See how bullish the Dons are feeling

 

[squashface]

With the departure of Livingston and Jamieson we are now a bit light on for true rucks. There’s Flynn, Bailey Williams and Barnett as pure rucks, then Jack Williams and Archer Reid who appear to be seen more as KPF/ruck options.

Flynn is injury prone. Barnett has struggled to compete at WAFL level but presumably will be asked to lead the ruck there. Flynn and Bailey Williams are generally uncompetitive at AFL level such that their opponent is often best on ground.

Maybe all this points to CDT at 2, despite the misgivings as to whether’s he’s truly a ruck. Or maybe the club intends to pick up another rookie in one of the drafts.

I’d be training Archer Reid as a pure ruckman from day 1 of preseason

 

[BSD]

And no garuentee that FROD is there if we pass on williams

I'd rather pass on Williams than FRod

 

[Bestbird]

I’d be training Archer Reid as a pure ruckman from day 1 of preseason

Likewise. Thought he showed a lot of promise given his age

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Where are people seeing Fred Rod settling at the next level? Does he have the tools to end up a true center square mid? Is he a half-forward mid rotation who's more of a stoppage specialist? I expect there's some hesitation amongst recruiters as to what his best role is, otherwise he's surely ranked higher.

I could picture him being that crafty mid forward flanker for us, like a Murphy Reid or what we're all hoping Noah Long could become

 

[ThePuma #9]

The flaw with that logic is that you value Williams or Banfield, who may get bid on late, over the talent that would otherwise be taken at 9.

With 5 list spots, using Twomey's rankings:
Current: Duursma(1), CDT(2), Marsh(13), Wililams(bid), Banfield(bid)
vs
Proposed: Duursma(1), Sharp (5), Farrow (9), Phillipou(11), Banfield* (bid)

I'm taking the proposed option every day of the week.

*Personal assumption that we'd rate Banfield as a f/s a priority over Williams, passing on a Williams bid if it comes before a Banfield bid.

I agree with the Banfield observation. We will not risk alienating the Banfields, especially with another son set to join the ranks next year however i disagree with the other points you make and i will explain why.

This is what he proposed

OUT: 2, 13, 41, F2, F3

IN: 5, 9, 11

If we give up pick 2 we potentially miss the opportunity to select CDT, Robey or Sharp. We have zero idea if Tigers will trade their second pick so we must assume the next 3 players we would like to select will be gone. So then it's Cumming i assume.

What are we getting to take this risk and push back our preferences?

We'll say the advantage is moving 13 up to 9. I'd say this is a net loss for us, move back 4 places at the top end of the draft, with 3 or 4 academy/f/s picks in between, to move up 4 spots on our 3rd selection.

That would leave a trade of a F2,F3 & 41 for pick 11. First of all that pick 11 is going to be more like pick 15 on draft night. Not the end of the world, it's still a first rounder but some would argue at this point of the draft there is very little between 15-30 and Williams could attract a bid as early as late 20's. How the club see his talent i have no idea but again is it worth it?

Next year we have a very promising haul of academy boys and another Banfield to look at and at this stage we don't know what additional changes the AFL is making to future nominations. I am certain however it's going to be more difficult and not easier to match so why would we want to give picks away? We can only take a maximum of 5 this year and we already have 5 decent options in front of us.

If given the choice i prefer

1, 2, 13, Williams & Banfield and future picks

over

1, 5, 9 , 11 & Banfield.

This draft is a very complicated one. Too many players at the top end "not available" and we have the first and second choice of what is available. If i'm giving up that privilege you need to wow me and this deal does little to wow.

 

[BluesForEternity]

I agree with the Banfield observation. We will not risk alienating the Banfields, especially with another son set to join the ranks next year however i disagree with the other points you make and i will explain why.

This is what he proposed

OUT: 2, 13, 41, F2, F3

IN: 5, 9, 11

If we give up pick 2 we potentially miss the opportunity to select CDT, Robey or Sharp. We have zero idea if Tigers will trade their second pick so we must assume the next 3 players we would like to select will be gone. So then it's Cumming i assume.

What are we getting to take this risk and push back our preferences?

We'll say the advantage is moving 13 up to 9. I'd say this is a net loss for us, move back 4 places at the top end of the draft, with 3 or 4 academy/f/s picks in between, to move up 4 spots on our 3rd selection.

That would leave a trade of a F2,F3 & 41 for pick 11. First of all that pick 11 is going to be more like pick 15 on draft night. Not the end of the world, it's still a first rounder but some would argue at this point of the draft there is very little between 15-30 and Williams could attract a bid as early as late 20's. How the club see his talent i have no idea but again is it worth it?

Next year we have a very promising haul of academy boys and another Banfield to look at and at this stage we don't know what additional changes the AFL is making to future nominations. I am certain however it's going to be more difficult and not easier to match so why would we want to give picks away? We can only take a maximum of 5 this year and we already have 5 decent options in front of us.

If given the choice i prefer

1, 2, 13, Williams & Banfield and future picks

over

1, 5, 9 , 11 & Banfield.

This draft is a very complicated one. Too many players at the top end "not available" and we have the first and second choice of what is available. If i'm giving up that privilege you need to wow me and this deal does little to wow.

All fair reasoning - the main thing I'd "push back" a bit on so to speak is the weighing of Pick 11. Note that in my original post, I suggest FF2 and FF3 (as in the 2027 picks), not the 2026 ones, plus 41 - I think this does change the calculus, as the picks will be lower than the 2026 versions (you'll probably be better in 2027, but also, Tassie exists). I can't say I'm across your upcoming F/S and NGAs, so can weigh in less on whether 2026 vs 2027 makes a difference on that front though.

Only other thing - I thought the consensus was more that within the first 20 or so players, there was a reasonable level of quality, but that it fell off a little more after that point? (so Pick 11, even if it ends up being Pick 15 after bids etc., is of significantly higher value than say Pick 30)

Happy that my thought experiment from a few days ago is still getting discussion.

 

[THE A5]

With the departure of Livingston and Jamieson we are now a bit light on for true rucks. There’s Flynn, Bailey Williams and Barnett as pure rucks, then Jack Williams and Archer Reid who appear to be seen more as KPF/ruck options.

Flynn is injury prone. Barnett has struggled to compete at WAFL level but presumably will be asked to lead the ruck there. Flynn and Bailey Williams are generally uncompetitive at AFL level such that their opponent is often best on ground.

Maybe all this points to CDT at 2, despite the misgivings as to whether’s he’s truly a ruck. Or maybe the club intends to pick up another rookie in one of the drafts.

Tbf jamo has been injured basically the last few seasons and he’s been playing as a defender.

Livo’s been playing as chop out ruckmen too.

While we do need rucks i don’t think their departures worsens our current ruck stocks

 

[amazingjoshy]

With the departure of Livingston and Jamieson we are now a bit light on for true rucks. There’s Flynn, Bailey Williams and Barnett as pure rucks, then Jack Williams and Archer Reid who appear to be seen more as KPF/ruck options.

Flynn is injury prone. Barnett has struggled to compete at WAFL level but presumably will be asked to lead the ruck there. Flynn and Bailey Williams are generally uncompetitive at AFL level such that their opponent is often best on ground.

Maybe all this points to CDT at 2, despite the misgivings as to whether’s he’s truly a ruck. Or maybe the club intends to pick up another rookie in one of the drafts.

Given your user name sounds like you're trying to talk yourself into a list spot

 

[wadistance]

3000m steeple chaser. Almost become 1500m Olympian.

His elite running capacity is unmatched by any AFL player......ever.

His PBs
1500 3.44
for perspective that's 500m short of the 2km time trial at AFL draft combine that 6.20 is consider elite. He does the same distance with a steeplechase thrown in for good measure and still would beat most AFL draftees. He holds the u18 2000m steeplechase record of 6.09.

800 1.53

3000 8.18

Most of that is true. However the record for the 2k steeple is 5:43 from waaay back. Even Tim Clarke (hawthorn, brother of Olympian Georgie Clarke) ran faster (5:53)

And he was nowhere near making the Olympics for 1500m. 3:44 doesn’t get you in the conversation for national medallist let alone further.

But Blitz was bloody good. Raced him for the few years he was in the system. Got him over 3k, was a fair way off him in 1500m. But boy, the bloke could dunk a basketball.

 

[Goomba1973]

I'd rather pass on Williams than FRod

I'm struggling to see the hype with Williams, He's another small, fast, agile kid that has no contested game ,very average without the ball in his hands, and even with the ball in his hands he is inconsistent . We already have Malakai Champion to fill that role. Use 34 to get Frod, or Curtain, or Swaddling. We shouldn't just go for him because combine numbers and the fact he is local.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Final 2025 Draft Power Rankings: #1-#50

The 2025 draft pool has generated diverse and, at times, polarising commentary. Several media outlets have been quick to brand it a “weaker class” or claim it is “lacking depth.” Much of the discou…

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New power rankings from another draft watcher. Has Evans at 30 and Williams at 48. Lowest Ive seen CDT also at 6

 

[WCErevival]

Final 2025 Draft Power Rankings: #1-#50

The 2025 draft pool has generated diverse and, at times, polarising commentary. Several media outlets have been quick to brand it a “weaker class” or claim it is “lacking depth.” Much of the discou…

readingtheplay.wordpress.com

New power rankings from another draft watcher. Has Evans at 30 and Williams at 48. Lowest Ive seen CDT also at 6

Robey at 2 but his draft range is 3-6. Hopefully someone got fired for that blunder.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Robey at 2 but his draft range is 3-6. Hopefully someone got fired for that blunder.

Way I understand that is 2 is where the author ranks him, 3-6 is where he thinks he'll go in the draft

 

[mattyc75]

I'm struggling to see the hype with Williams, He's another small, fast, agile kid that has no contested game ,very average without the ball in his hands, and even with the ball in his hands he is inconsistent . We already have Malakai Champion to fill that role. Use 34 to get Frod, or Curtain, or Swaddling. We shouldn't just go for him because combine numbers and the fact he is local.

Seems to.be predominantly off the back of a strong combine.
His performances before that didn't really align with the hype. If he's not bid on til after 35 then sure but before that it'd be doubtful especially if it hampers us getting the others in

 

[mattyc75]

Robey at 2 but his draft range is 3-6. Hopefully someone got fired for that blunder.

Seems a few rankings has CDT falling a bit.

 

[wadistance]

Seems a few rankings has CDT falling a bit.

Victorian plot to make us think we won’t get good value for a trade and we just select him

 

[Underdog]

I'm struggling to see the hype with Williams, He's another small, fast, agile kid that has no contested game ,very average without the ball in his hands, and even with the ball in his hands he is inconsistent . We already have Malakai Champion to fill that role. Use 34 to get Frod, or Curtain, or Swaddling. We shouldn't just go for him because combine numbers and the fact he is local.

He has some elite traits.

Particularly in a weak draft, with mid-range picks, you look for elite traits and try to build a solid footballer around that.

Guys that are good at everything, often get found out at AFL level when everyone else is stronger, bigger, fitter and faster.

Fred's pre-draft profile basically mimics Clay Hall's. I don't think we need to keep doubling down on those types. We need to see if what we've got already can develop and play.

 

[Thunderstruck]

Nice little interview with Dyson Sharp

South Aussie Select with Dyson Sharp - SANFL

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[AsterixTheGaul]

If your need is in the midfield, then you should narrow it down

1. If you need to start winning contests at stoppages, then you get Sharp
2. If you want the most balanced mid, you get Cumming
3. If you want the best outside mid, you get Grlj

To be fair, Duursma is likely to spend a fair amount of his career as a mid, probably more outside leaning.

Add to that Banfield who I see as balanced as well (up until the last 6 weeks I had as more outside leaning) and possibly Evans who has elite acceleration.

On the day that the new recruits join up with the 1-3 year players, Harley will be able to look up and see that he is going to be supported with quality.

Hallelujah - the list is looking so much better. The only problem is that to do so, we have to leave the unicorn for the .

I suspect if we bid on the 4 club tied prospects at 2, then our second pick become 6 so far less controversial for us and Bombers trading 6+16 for 9+10.

Same result.
Different optics.

 

[Schtinker]

#30: Koby Evans (West Coast Academy):

Position: Medium Forward / Midfielder
Height: 187cm
Club: western Australia / Perth
Draft Range: 30+
Previous Ranking: 35

Koby Evans shapes as one of the more intriguing and lesser-known prospects in the 2025 draft class. A powerful, athletic mid-sized forward, Evans impressed in his underage year with his speed, explosiveness and competitiveness — traits that had recruiters eager to see his transition into a more midfield-oriented role this season.

That shift got off to the perfect start. In Round 1 for Perth’s Colts side, Evans delivered a standout performance, collecting 28 disposals and kicking two goals while splitting his time between the centre square and forward 50. It was a performance that showcased his potential as a dynamic, modern hybrid — strong enough to win contests inside, but also dangerous on the spread and near goal.

Unfortunately, injury struck soon after, sidelining him for the next 16 weeks and disrupting a season that had promised so much. A late season return has seen him earn selection at League level, but time may prove too short for him to fully re-establish his draft credentials before year’s end.

Had Evans been able to maintain his Round 1 form through the full season and into the National Championships, there’s little doubt he’d be in firm first-round contention. Instead, he now looms as a high-upside option later in the draft — one that West Coast, who hold NGA rights to him, could benefit from significantly.

With the right development and continuity, Evans has the physical profile and forward craft to grow into a damaging mid-forward presence at AFL level, drawing stylistic comparisons to the likes of Isaac Heeney

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Isaac Heeney

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

7.7

5star

M

4.9

5star

T

4.1

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

14.3

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.5

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

0.8

3star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.8

3star

or Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

32

Ht

182cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.7

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

10.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.2

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

2.3

5star

D

26.6

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

14.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

3.6

5star

G

0.0

1star

.

 

[twadds]

Nice little interview with Dyson Sharp

South Aussie Select with Dyson Sharp - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

Speaks so well. Seems very keen to develop all aspects of his game. Has that professional mindset already which is impressive.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Nice little interview with Dyson Sharp

South Aussie Select with Dyson Sharp - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

Dyson sounds very mature for an 18 year old. We would do very well making in an Eagle. It will be beneficial for his health as he commented about the cold weather - meaning he should not be living in Melbourne