List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

Draft order

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Draft prospect video highlights (thanks to noobermensch)

Rookie Me Central 2025 Draft Guide

2025 AFL Draft Guide

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Matthew Clarke on Gettable 17/11

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Astro7]

I don't hate or laud any of the kids, but highlight packages are not supposed to show weaknesses in games. You could even find highlights of Priddis showing him burst from congestion and hit a target. They are so flawed when being used to assess talent.

Agree, but combined with match vids/other sources you can get a fair idea. It's all we have to go on, if not on the park watching and taking notes. Otherwise it's pretty much speculation (and supposedly informed opinion) which is what this thread is all about.

 

[WCE_18]

Really would like that 6th list spot to take away the stress of sitting through the back end of the draft hoping a bid doesn’t come for Banfield and Evans

After our first three picks -
• Match a probable Williams bid or decline and take a 4th selection instead
• Match a bid on Evans or Banfield if one comes

As it stands if we match a bid for one of Evans or Banfield we won’t be able to match a bid on the other. With an extra list spot we’d be able to match both should they come

Totally agree Keys, I think Evans could have been the best of our academy if he had played champs, would hate to miss on him because we don’t have a list spot.

I think it was eaglevision who posted that a couple of the academy boys have some off-field issues.

Perhaps we don’t want to risk senior list spots?

It looks like we will only look to match 1 bid. (Pending draft night trades) or we have good draft intel.

Are we able to prelist the academy guys onto Cat A rookie list if they get through the national draft?

 

[Astro7]

Speaks very well as many of the draftees seem to do these days.

Can “play down back too”. Now that would be one hell of a plot twist if he becomes the key defender we’ve been craving…

Watched that earlier, funny, he passed the quiz!

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

It was an interesting discussion

They didn’t think we’d accept it but acknowledged later, it was something they’d do if they were the Eagles - a view I agree with. Personally, 2,13 for 5,6 is ideal imo but figured the Bombers wouldn’t offer it. Maybe they do - it wasn’t ruled out as being unrealistic

Cal also was coy as to whether it would be CDT Essendon take if they had pick 2. Assuming Duursma is a lock for pick 1 then perhaps they’re considering Robey. Do Richmond then go CDT or go with a combination of Taylor, Cumming or Grlj

Us trading down from 2 to 5 and still have access to CDT would be quite the plot twist. Then Sharp or Cumming at 6 and it’d be hard to argue we didn’t nail the draft as Twomey correctly said we need to

It was interesting to watch Gettable and I’ve come away thinking the Bombers will want to do the trade for 2 but we are reluctant. Always good to get more independent input on what is fair.

I can only see 3 targets at 2 for the Bombers. CDT, Robey or Sharp.

If we do the deal, the 3 options have very different implications.

1. Bombers take CDT at 2
Tigers respond with Robey at 3 and choose between XTaylor and Grlj at 4.
Eagles have both Sharp and Cumming. Simple. Don’t even think about it.

2. Bombers take Robey at 2
Tigers respond with XTaylor at 3 and Grlj at 4. The likelihood of a Dees offer for 4 increases. There is still an outside chance Tigers go for Cumming or Sharp at 4.
That would leave us with the ability to choose 2 from CDT, Cumming and Sharp. I would be ok taking CDT as we get one of Sharp or Cumming and we prioritise Banfield later.

3. Bombers take Sharp at 2
Tigers respond with Robey at 3 and choose between XTaylor and Grlj at 4. I doubt Dees may now make an offer for 4 targeting CDT. Would both XTaylor and Grlj be Available at 7+8? Tigers likely need to return a F2 to seal it. I doubt it.
Eagles get Cumming and CDT at 5+6. Simple - but prioritise Banfield.


The problem I have at 13 or 9 (if we trade up) is that none of Sharp, Cumming or Grlj will likely be there so we leave without addressing our midfield.


I still think any trade gets done after Eagles bid on Patterson and Uwland at 2. The idea of trading up for 4 with 7+8 (15 going back) feels less controversial. Once Bombers have the original pick 2, I see them bidding on both Annable and Dean. Doing it early means the Bombers original 21, 27 and 30 come in fast. They can do deals with the Suns 15+18 but the premium will be low.

 

[ballsohard]

It was interesting to watch Gettable and I’ve come away thinking the Bombers will want to do the trade for 2 but we are reluctant. Always good to get more independent input on what is fair.

I can only see 3 targets at 2 for the Bombers. CDT, Robey or Sharp.

If we do the deal, the 3 options have very different implications.

1. Bombers take CDT at 2
Tigers respond with Robey at 3 and choose between XTaylor and Grlj at 4.
Eagles have both Sharp and Cumming. Simple. Don’t even think about it.

2. Bombers take Robey at 2
Tigers respond with XTaylor at 3 and Grlj at 4. The likelihood of a Dees offer for 4 increases. There is still an outside chance Tigers go for Cumming or Sharp at 4.
That would leave us with the ability to choose 2 from CDT, Cumming and Sharp. I would be ok taking CDT as we get one of Sharp or Cumming and we prioritise Banfield later.

3. Bombers take Sharp at 2
Tigers respond with Robey at 3 and choose between XTaylor and Grlj at 4. I doubt Dees may now make an offer for 4 targeting CDT. Would both XTaylor and Grlj be Available at 7+8? Tigers likely need to return a F2 to seal it. I doubt it.
Eagles get Cumming and CDT at 5+6. Simple - but prioritise Banfield.


The problem I have at 13 or 9 (if we trade up) is that none of Sharp, Cumming or Grlj will likely be there so we leave without addressing our midfield.


I still think any trade gets done after Eagles bid on Patterson and Uwland at 2. The idea of trading up for 4 with 7+8 (15 going back) feels less controversial. Once Bombers have the original pick 2, I see them bidding on both Annable and Dean. Doing it early means the Bombers original 21, 27 and 30 come in fast. They can do deals with the Suns 15+18 but the premium will be low.

Is there a reason the tigers wouldn't be taking CDT at pick 3/4 in scenarios 2 & 3?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

He looks like an absolute ball-pig extractor to me? His breakaway pace and evasive skills are good (see 'Movement' in vid). An AFL preseason in good company should improve his gears.

How many years have we moaned and bitched that this sort of midfielder was out of reach. Let me just clarify his CV

Strong performance as a bottom age
Larke Medalist in 2025
Captain of AA Under 18 team 2025
Captain of SA carnival team that went through undefeated
SA MVP in 2025
Dominated in colts
Played seniors in SANFL and showed he belonged at the next level
Win contested football at clearances and stoppages - an area of deficiency at West Coast
Now adding goal kicking to his game

I cannot understand why we are debating the point.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Is there a reason the tigers wouldn't be taking CDT at pick 3/4 in scenarios 2 & 3?

3 reasons

1. Richmond got a haul of talls last year
2. They do not value rucks
3. They don’t believe in unicorns, dream catchers, crystals or Father Christmas

 

[Wooshaaaa]

How many years have we moaned and bitched that this sort of midfielder was out of reach. Let me just clarify his CV

Strong performance as a bottom age
Larke Medalist in 2025
Captain of AA Under 18 team 2025
Captain of SA carnival team that went through undefeated
SA MVP in 2025
Dominated in colts
Played seniors in SANFL and showed he belonged at the next level
Win contested football at clearances and stoppages - an area of deficiency at West Coast
Now adding goal kicking to his game

I cannot understand why we are debating the point.

And if the drug rats dont deal for pick 2, just take him at 2 and see if we can upgrade 13 to 9 and take dovaston.

Duursma outside run and carry
Sharp inside defensive mid
Dovaston Cripps replacement
Banfield
Williams/Evans?

 

[Astro7]

How many years have we moaned and bitched that this sort of midfielder was out of reach. Let me just clarify his CV

Strong performance as a bottom age
Larke Medalist in 2025
Captain of AA Under 18 team 2025
Captain of SA carnival team that went through undefeated
SA MVP in 2025
Dominated in colts
Played seniors in SANFL and showed he belonged at the next level
Win contested football at clearances and stoppages - an area of deficiency at West Coast
Now adding goal kicking to his game

I cannot understand why we are debating the point.

Absolutely, a walk up starter. Would be such a huge benefit to Harley, side by side, wow.
Anyway, we wait and see. Perhaps a lot of over-analysis and nitpicking going on.

 

[Astro7]

And if the drug rats dont deal for pick 2, just take him at 2 and see if we can upgrade 13 to 9 and take dovaston.

Duursma outside run and carry
Sharp inside defensive mid
Dovaston Cripps replacement
Banfield
Williams/Evans?

The dream.

 

[Peptide Pig]

Is there a reason the tigers wouldn't be taking CDT at pick 3/4 in scenarios 2 & 3?

No. CDT won’t get past the Tigers picks

 

[Schtinker]

Why would we look at Dovaston if we already have Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

 

[Barrybran]

Why would we look at Dovaston if we already have Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

The same reason we're looking at Sharp when we already have Yeo, Kelly, Hall, Gross, Hough, Ginbey, Allan, Grego, Baker, Graham and Duggan?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Why would we look at Dovaston if we already have Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

Just checking - how many of your list are considered AFL quality and how many would be in the best 23 at a competing club?

 

[Schtinker]

The same reason we're looking at Sharp when we already have Yeo, Kelly, Hall, Gross, Hough, Ginbey, Allan, Grego, Baker, Graham and Duggan?

Which one of those besides Yeo is the inside ball winner who distributes the ball out to Harley?

 

[Schtinker]

Just checking - how many of your list are considered AFL quality and how many would be in the best 23 at a competing club?

So you're saying Dovaston would be in the best 23 at a competing club?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Why would we look at Dovaston if we already have Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

Cripps is done.
Owes
Long ???
Champion unproven
Brochman completely different
Dewar isn't a small forward

He is elite up and down the ground, spent a lot of his junior career as a midfielder.

 

[txbyhull]

So you're saying Dovaston would be in the best 23 at a competing club?

You know which club he would be best 23 at though? It rhymes with Shmest Shmoast

 

[southcoast]

How many years have we moaned and bitched that this sort of midfielder was out of reach. Let me just clarify his CV

Strong performance as a bottom age
Larke Medalist in 2025
Captain of AA Under 18 team 2025
Captain of SA carnival team that went through undefeated
SA MVP in 2025
Dominated in colts
Played seniors in SANFL and showed he belonged at the next level
Win contested football at clearances and stoppages - an area of deficiency at West Coast
Now adding goal kicking to his game

I cannot understand why we are debating the point.

Coz there is a shiny new toy in the corner?

I'm not a draft watcher by any stretch of the imagination but I struggle to see why Sharp shouldn't/wouldn't be a WCE target

 

[rebel23]

Why is everyone talking about bidding at pick 2?
Surely bidding at pick 1 is the way to go... If we are serious about Patterson?... Otherwise just don't bid and waste everyone's time

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Why would we look at Dovaston if we already have Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

Don't need to make any list changes IMO.

I reckon 3 of these guys aren't on our list in 2027.

 

[Doashuey]

Why wouldn't we look at Dovaston when all we have in the forward line are Cripps, Owies, Long, Champion, Brockman, and Dewar as well as possibly having Tylah Williams this year and McGlade next year along with Robert Farmer.

Fixed

 

[Knifey Spoony]

Cal reckons that Schubert might slide. If we did go Duursma and Sharp, I would love him at 13. Another quality KPP, can play down back as well to shore up the spine.

 

[Doashuey]

Why is everyone talking about bidding at pick 2?
Surely bidding at pick 1 is the way to go... If we are serious about Patterson?... Otherwise just don't bid and waste everyone's time

The main reason is it seems most clubs are reluctant to rob their Number 1 pick of the 10k bonus and the prestige of being Pick 1.
Personally I dont think it should come into consideration but recent years have shown this to be the case and with WCE not exactly known as the most ruthless club getting about, it is unlikely we break ranks and start bidding with the No1 pick.

 

[Peptide Pig]

I can only see 3 targets at 2 for the Bombers. CDT, Robey or Sharp.

1. Bombers take CDT at 2

2. Bombers take Robey at 2

3. Bombers take Sharp at 2

The whole discussion around the Bombers trading up for pick 2 was because they are supposedly set on CDT, with the smoke and mirrors since developing that maybe they are actually trying to get ahead of the Tigers for Robey OR pick 1 for the Duursma dynasty.

I would be shocked if they traded up from pick 5, only to take the guy who is expected to be available at pick 5 anyway in Sharp.

But who knows. Maybe a bit of 4D chess going on and highlights for me why I would only want to move 2 down to 3. Dropping to 5 seems risky that we miss altogether the next best guys we want after Duursma if Tigers or Bombers make an unexpected selection. Although that’s the gamble I suppose that on the flipside we could land a good slider if things fell our way.