List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

[Keys]

Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Keys]

Post on the tigers board, no idea if legitimate but other posters seem to think his mail is ok.

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We are very interested in a crop of Indigenous boys. We sent the KGI team to WA a couple of months ago to meet and spend time with them and we love a kid called Pickett. I expect he will be taken with whatever pick 38 ends up being. We are certain to use that pick on an Indigenous kid and will probably bid on some of the west coast academy players here if they haven’t been selected yet but Pickett is the kid we want.

The club loved what we did bringing players that had played together in last year and particularly the bond it has created amongst the kids at the club.

The plan is replicate that again this year but this time it will be with a batch of boys from SA.

Our hope is that WC take Dursma and CDT or Robey because we will be taking Sharp and Cumming at 3 & 4. We will take Sharp of the board with pick 3 immediately and then try to turn pick 4 into pick 5 with a trade with Essendon for them to take either CDT or Robey whoever the eagles don’t take. Our aim is to get a future 2nd and Essendons pick to help with our academy stuff next year.
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To be honest if I were Richmond this is exactly what I would hope for and do.

That would be our nightmare scenario if we traded out 2 for 5 and underlines why I think unless it’s 2,13 for 5,6 we don’t do it. Even then it’s clearly a risk

But if we do and Richmond take Cumming and Sharp, with 5 and 6 there’d still be either Robey or CDT depending on who Essendon take plus Xavier Taylor or Grlj

So the trade gets us CDT (or Robey) and Taylor instead of CDT and Farrow- that’s still a better result, if only slightly

Or we could just take Sharp at 2 then trade up to 9 and potentially get Schubert if Melbourne go midfield with their two picks

 

[Barrybran]

That would be our nightmare scenario if we traded out 2 for 5 and underlines why I think unless it’s 2,13 for 5,6 we don’t do it. Even then it’s clearly a risk

But if we do and Richmond take Cumming and Sharp, with 5 and 6 there’d still be either Robey or CDT depending on who Essendon take plus Xavier Taylor or Grlj

So the trade gets us CDT (or Robey) and Taylor instead of CDT and Farrow- that’s still a better result, if only slightly

Or we could just take Sharp at 2 then trade up to 9 and potentially get Schubert if Melbourne go midfield with their two picks

Is there a world where we employ a similar strategy by trading 13 down for a different South Australian? Barker, Thredgold, Ainsworth, Marsh are some names that have been thrown around here at different times.

 

[WCE777]

For those thinking we are fine for midfielders, here is my age by position assuming Duursma and our 4 club tied prospects.

Note that I have included a high half forwards column as these roles are evolving as being important. I have moved Kelly out of a permanent mid as I think that is passed him. I also have Hewett and Gross in that grouping as that is where I think they are heading. I have been generous on Allan being a mid - more a wing as I see in 2026 but let's see.

When you run down the list, it is hardly an engine room to worry many teams!!

Just take Sharp would be my call.

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Have to say I agree with your assessment, the cupboard is bare for an elite midfield.

HR and that's it, most of the others are very good players like Hewett, Allan, Gross who project as maybe long term mids but not elite and will play outside mid, balanced mid HHF.

The elite mid in the draft is Sharp and the next best is Cumming who is a balanced inside outside mid who may be better than Hewett or maybe the same role player HFF rotating through the midfield.

Banfield is coming hard as a balanced mid.

Not many elite mids and why I think the draft is Duursma who is hard to ignore as a transition outside player, Sharp the best inside mid since Rowell and Cumming who has as much upside a any and is probably Hewett or better.

If our draft is Duursma, Sharp, Cumming and the NGA/FS kids of Williams/Banfield/Evans we should have a very good idea in 12 months what we have and our weakness in the talent on the list.

Stop kicking the can down the road and pick midfield needs NOW re-assess next year and draft the list holes with all we have before we need to worry about Tassie.

We might get lucky with C Banfield/Evans 2025 & H Banfield in 2026 and get a group of very good rotating mids as a group that set us up for LONG term success or we might end up with role players.

2026 will determind the hole to be filled with our first pick and all the other list positions of need.

 

[woosha24]

I think we need to temper these expectations. Duursma looks like he will be a very good outside player but he's got a journey in front of him to be an inside player.

Agreed. Duursma will come good after a couple of years in the system, but will likely struggle on the gimp wing and be rotated in and out of the side in his early career. Expecting him to become the new whipping boy as people gnash their teeth for the next 2-3 years over taking him at 1.

Would be devo if we took CDT at 2 then Tigers took both Sharp and Cumming at 3 and 4. I would consider that an absolute kick in the nuts on draft night when we've been crying out for exactly those types of players for literal years.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Is there a world where we employ a similar strategy by trading 13 down for a different South Australian? Barker, Thredgold, Ainsworth, Marsh are some names that have been thrown around here at different times.

I’d be happy with Sharp at 2 then take Barker or Marsh at 13.

 

[Keys]

Is there a world where we employ a similar strategy by trading 13 down for a different South Australian? Barker, Thredgold, Ainsworth, Marsh are some names that have been thrown around here at different times.

Clarke has referred to the hard work done to get those 3 picks - particularly the Starcevich trade we did to move up a few spots to 13

So I doubt we trade it back down- we’ll either move it up in a trade with Carlton or use it for best available at that point

 

[woosha24]

I’d be happy with Sharp at 2 then take Barker or Marsh at 13.

The closer I get to draft night the more im dreading the scenario of the club using 2 on CDT. He isnt what we need, who we DO need wont be around at 13 (or even probably at 5/6), but picking him would be such a quintessential West Coast draft strategy that I cant see how we dont do it.

Makes me sick to think about it.

 

[RustyShacklefordFalcon]

Personally I prefer to skip the academy and f/s players. So they have CDT at 2, Cumming at 5 and Sharp at 7. Very interesting and thorough guide thanks for posting.

I would be very surprised if we picked Sharp at 2. Draft night's going to be interesting that's for sure.

It will be telling when training reports start coming in on Monday and we find out which players are training with the midfield group. Maybe we don't need mids as desperately as a lot of posters think.

Yeah that's fair, Sharp at 7. Still I believe, the lowest I've seen him ranked in a form guide so far which is interesting given it's so close to the draft now.

Like many here I would like him in our midfield but will be disappointed if it costs us pick 2. I'm still firm on CDT with that pick, should we use it on the night. I think he's a safer bet than Robey and better for our current mix. My thinking is that this might not be the year for mids, as much as that's disappointing to come to terms with it might be the reality.

We plug in some mature rookies, develop our current crop for one more year before adding some mids with top picks next year.

Ideally, we take Duursma and one of the following two scenarios take place; 2 & 13 for 5 & 6...take one of Sharp or Cumming then trade 6 into next year for another 1st and a sweetener. Gives us the extra spot to ensure we can land both of Banfield and Evans who I feel like some posters are forgetting are pretty exciting young mids too. Or scenario two, we take Duursma & CDT, and trade 13 for a F1 (Saints have been mentioned).

Reason I now lean towards trading a pick into next year is I feel it's a distinct possibility with us not opening up that extra list spot. I also think Dev could surprise us and really nail down his spot as our extractor.

 

[Keys]

There was an article last year mentioning that clubs can now match FS in the rookie draft. If correct would be great to use pick 1 then Charlie after. Few kids I’d love to take a punt on that other clubs are likely to have in interest in.

We can prelist Banfield as a rookie after the main draft if he doesn’t get bid on. The same us we can prelist Evans and/or Walley to the Cat B list (although we’d have to move Champion to the Cat A list to add both which creates list spot issues)

No need for us to burn pick 1 in the RD so we’d have that available to us regardless

 

[Doashuey]

Agreed. Duursma will come good after a couple of years in the system, but will likely struggle on the gimp wing and be rotated in and out of the side in his early career. Expecting him to become the new whipping boy as people gnash their teeth for the next 2-3 years over taking him at 1.

Would be devo if we took CDT at 2 then Tigers took both Sharp and Cumming at 3 and 4. I would consider that an absolute kick in the nuts on draft night when we've been crying out for exactly those types of players for literal years.

We dont really run a red wing anymore. If we have Duursma on a wing I imagine we will be transitioning through him with his aerial and kicking skills. Look at Chesser's last few games- was getting the ball about 20 times a game and hitting the scoreboard.

 

[Barrybran]

Have to say I agree with your assessment, the cupboard is bare for an elite midfield.

HR and that's it, most of the others are very good players like Hewett, Allan, Gross who project as maybe long term mids but not elite and will play outside mid, balanced mid HHF.

The elite mid in the draft is Sharp and the next best is Cumming who is a balanced inside outside mid who may be better than Hewett or maybe the same role player HFF rotating through the midfield.

Banfield is coming hard as a balanced mid.

Not many elite mids and why I think the draft is Duursma who is hard to ignore as a transition outside player, Sharp the best inside mid since Rowell and Cumming who has as much upside a any and is probably Hewett or better.

If our draft is Duursma, Sharp, Cumming and the NGA/FS kids of Williams/Banfield/Evans we should have a very good idea in 12 months what we have and our weakness in the talent on the list.

Stop kicking the can down the road and pick midfield needs NOW re-assess next year and draft the list holes with all we have before we need to worry about Tassie.

We might get lucky with C Banfield/Evans 2025 & H Banfield in 2026 and get a group of very good rotating mids as a group that set us up for LONG term success or we might end up with role players.

2026 will determind the hole to be filled with our first pick and all the other list positions of need.

We have this year and next year to address our midfield for the next decade and we have to hit on those picks. We'll find some gems along the way but, statistically, picks 1, 2 and our F1 will be elite 200-game players.

I've wanted Sharp and Cumming from the start for the reasons you've mentioned above. We have two drafts to nail down our core for the next decade and contested footy wins premierships.

I would have no qualms taking those two first unless we were confident we could fill one of those roles next year. Given there's a chance we finish last again and the prize is Cochrane, it makes sense to fill the midfield out now so we're not left wanting next year. Worst case scenario is that we don't finish last, don't need any more midfielders, and our F1 has a higher value than our picks this year in a draft with better WA talent.

That said, I can understand why we might take a flyer on CDT as he would be a unique player and a match up nightmare if he can put it all together. We'll find another Duursma (and Robey) next year, the year after and the year after that.

 

[Barrybran]

Agreed. Duursma will come good after a couple of years in the system, but will likely struggle on the gimp wing and be rotated in and out of the side in his early career. Expecting him to become the new whipping boy as people gnash their teeth for the next 2-3 years over taking him at 1.

Would be devo if we took CDT at 2 then Tigers took both Sharp and Cumming at 3 and 4. I would consider that an absolute kick in the nuts on draft night when we've been crying out for exactly those types of players for literal years.

Duursma will be fine. Anyone we draft will be for the next decade, not next year. If anything, we'd probably rotate him through defense so he can get his hands on the ball a bit if he's not seeing it in the midfield.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Don’t let Essendon get Robey because I’m coming for all you eagles fans who said Essendon had to trade picks 5, 6 and a future first for your pick 2.

This is our board and we can say what we want.
So how doe get pucked sound

 

[Keys]

First 12 invites for night one of the draft have gone out.

No surprises on the list but Schubert, Dovaston and Lindsay aren’t there as yet

Farrow is fwiw

 

[Mattman93]

Post on the tigers board, no idea if legitimate but other posters seem to think his mail is ok.

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We are very interested in a crop of Indigenous boys. We sent the KGI team to WA a couple of months ago to meet and spend time with them and we love a kid called Pickett. I expect he will be taken with whatever pick 38 ends up being. We are certain to use that pick on an Indigenous kid and will probably bid on some of the west coast academy players here if they haven’t been selected yet but Pickett is the kid we want.

The club loved what we did bringing players that had played together in last year and particularly the bond it has created amongst the kids at the club.

The plan is replicate that again this year but this time it will be with a batch of boys from SA.

Our hope is that WC take Dursma and CDT or Robey because we will be taking Sharp and Cumming at 3 & 4. We will take Sharp of the board with pick 3 immediately and then try to turn pick 4 into pick 5 with a trade with Essendon for them to take either CDT or Robey whoever the eagles don’t take. Our aim is to get a future 2nd and Essendons pick to help with our academy stuff next year.
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To be honest if I were Richmond this is exactly what I would hope for and do.

God this would be unbearable.

I'd rather us just take Sharp and Cumming at 1/2. (Or really any combination not involving CDT I guess).

 

[Lost In The Sky]

I'm 100% in on getting Sharp after all I've seen and heard so far. Such an impressive kid with the way he speaks and handles himself.

Yeah there may be more talented kids rated ahead of him but a lot of posters, especially ones with a hard on for CDT completely ignore the other attributes Sharp does bring... His on and off field leadership is first class, He will certainly be a future captain and would fill a massive need for us by having a great leader in the middle. He also seems extremely driven and intent on getting the best out of himself.

I really don't think we could go wrong selecting him.

Just take Sharp, Go hard for the pick to get Axel Walsh in the mini draft next year... and see what comes of Jed Walter next year as well.

 

[uptheWC]

I'm 100% in on getting Sharp after all I've seen and heard so far. Such an impressive kid with the way he speaks and handles himself.

Yeah there may be more talented kids rated ahead of him but a lot of posters, especially ones with a hard on for CDT completely ignore the other attributes Sharp does bring... His on and off field leadership is first class, He will certainly be a future captain and would fill a massive need for us by having a great leader in the middle. He also seems extremely driven and intent on getting the best out of himself.

I really don't think we could go wrong selecting him.

Just take Sharp, Go hard for the pick to get Axel Walsh in the mini draft next year... and see what comes of Jed Walter next year as well.

The other more “talented” kids don’t necessarily have better footballing skills, some just think that more athletic = talented footballer

 

[Broken_Chairs]

That would be our nightmare scenario if we traded out 2 for 5 and underlines why I think unless it’s 2,13 for 5,6 we don’t do it. Even then it’s clearly a risk

But if we do and Richmond take Cumming and Sharp, with 5 and 6 there’d still be either Robey or CDT depending on who Essendon take plus Xavier Taylor or Grlj

So the trade gets us CDT (or Robey) and Taylor instead of CDT and Farrow- that’s still a better result, if only slightly

Or we could just take Sharp at 2 then trade up to 9 and potentially get Schubert if Melbourne go midfield with their two picks

The more i think about 2 & 13 for 5 & 6 the more i realise it's likely going to be 2 & 17 for 9 & 10.

Feels yucky.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

First 12 invites for night one of the draft have gone out.

No surprises on the list but Schubert, Dovaston and Lindsay aren’t there as yet

Farrow is fwiw

Only 8 open pool picks there.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

That would be our nightmare scenario if we traded out 2 for 5 and underlines why I think unless it’s 2,13 for 5,6 we don’t do it. Even then it’s clearly a risk

But if we do and Richmond take Cumming and Sharp, with 5 and 6 there’d still be either Robey or CDT depending on who Essendon take plus Xavier Taylor or Grlj

So the trade gets us CDT (or Robey) and Taylor instead of CDT and Farrow- that’s still a better result, if only slightly

Or we could just take Sharp at 2 then trade up to 9 and potentially get Schubert if Melbourne go midfield with their two picks

Everyone in the know will know who will get picked where before we make any trades. So it's a moot point. We'd only make the trade if who we wanted was going to be there.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

That would be our nightmare scenario if we traded out 2 for 5 and underlines why I think unless it’s 2,13 for 5,6 we don’t do it. Even then it’s clearly a risk

But if we do and Richmond take Cumming and Sharp, with 5 and 6 there’d still be either Robey or CDT depending on who Essendon take plus Xavier Taylor or Grlj

So the trade gets us CDT (or Robey) and Taylor instead of CDT and Farrow- that’s still a better result, if only slightly

Or we could just take Sharp at 2 then trade up to 9 and potentially get Schubert if Melbourne go midfield with their two picks

If we just took sharp at 2, and traded up for 9

Cumming CDT robey and taylor all go in the next 4 picks.

Then dees have 7 8 --> choice of grjl, dovaston, sheubert, marsh, farrow, greevs, barker. Whats there needs? One tall for sure, maybe 2!

Pick 9 could well be dovaston or grjl. I wouldnt complain at that.

 

[Wce17]

Did we also nominate Jack Caton & Darcy Montgomery as NGA's?

If we didn't and all of the other guys get picked up in the main draft could we still grab one of them as we would have a spot open with Livingston gone?

 

[Jukes]

Seems to be a shift in “vibe” with Richmond selecting Grlj. If the Tigers go Robey and Taylor then there’s every chance he’ll be available at Carlton’s Pick 9. I think he’ll really add something different to our team and hopefully worth the trade up (Pick 13 & 34).

 

[Keys]

If we just took sharp at 2, and traded up for 9

Cumming CDT robey and taylor all go in the next 4 picks.

Then dees have 7 8 --> choice of grjl, dovaston, sheubert, marsh, farrow, greevs, barker. Whats there needs? One tall for sure, maybe 2!

Pick 9 could well be dovaston or grjl. I wouldnt complain at that.

Seems a good chance that Schubert might be there at 9 if Melbourne prioritise midfielders/runners and they’ve been linked to Farrow. The fact he’s been invited to attend the draft means there’s interest in him earlier than our pick 13

Duursma, Sharp, Schubert is a pretty well rounded first three picks

Did we also nominate Jack Caton & Darcy Montgomery as NGA's?

If we didn't and all of the other guys get picked up in the main draft could we still grab one of them as we would have a spot open with Livingston gone?

We didn’t nominate them so the answer to that is no

Very much of the belief that Livingstone’s spot will be taken by Evans should he get through, with Walley as the backup option if there is a bid on Evans (whether we match or not would be irrelevant)

I doubt Walley will attract a bid given the low number of picks expected to be taken

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Farrow the only WA draftee to be invited to night one of the draft.

https://archive.li/WIVWj