List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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Cal Twomey’s Phantom Draft

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[Eastern Rangers]

There isn't any, That's the point.

No good rucks and no good tall forwards either.

Better just stick to half backs.

 

[txbyhull]

I think my 50% perfect 50% realistic off season sees us enter the 2026 season with these additions

MAIN -
W. Duursma
CDT
L. Dovaston
T. Williams
C. Banfield

Rookie A -
D. Robertson
G. Stumpf
H. Scott
K. Evans

Rookie B -
W. Walley

 

[dinnaz]

No good rucks and no good tall forwards either.

Better just stick to half backs.

Easiest place to play, that's why everyone looks good there.

 

[uptheWC]

I think my 50% perfect 50% realistic off season sees us enter the 2026 season with these additions

MAIN -
W. Duursma
CDT
L. Dovaston
T. Williams
C. Banfield

Rookie A -
D. Robertson
G. Stumpf
H. Scott
K. Evans

Rookie B -
W. Walley

Disaster

 

[txbyhull]

Disaster

Care to elaborate?

Hence the realism, I don’t see this draft ending how we want it to unless something completely left field happens

 

[Dale Doback]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

 

[twce13]

I just can’t shake the feeling that Evans and bb will get a bid. I’m pretty irritated we didn’t take the easy option of putting someone on the RL, we’re not short of candidates.

 

[txbyhull]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

He’s no speed demon, but calling him a bloke with no speed who is a shit kick goes to show you haven’t watched the kid pretty much at all. He’s not slow, he’s bang average. Fast enough to hold his own in the middle at 18 in SANFL league, and enough of a tank to get contest to contest. He might never be Petch levels of rapid in a straight line, but we dont necessarily need that right now when we don’t even give players the opportunity to utilise that speed because we can never get our hands on the ball consistently.

To say he’s a shit kick is also disingenuous. He’s no Josh Lindsay in this draft, but he’s got better use by foot than Annable, the other highest rated pure mid in the draft. Wouldn’t say Robey’s is infinitely better either. He won’t tear apart a team with bullets i50, but he can pick and choose when he needs to and has enough composure to not hack the ball out of stoppage. Better than a lot of our existing players as well

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

Some background. We have not drafted many pure midfielders and it is one of the reasons we lose contested football. With Shuey, Sheed, Redden and Gaff gone or relocated permanently to rehab, our midfield is pretty bare. Harley has very little support and if we don’t address that, he won’t be staying.

Personnel from the recruiting team have stated they needed to go hybrids as we did not have the picks to get the likes of Cripps, Tom Green, Dunkley, FOS, Smith, Smiley, etc.

Our board have had enough. Duursma will be a great get but he is more damaging on the outside.

With pick 2, we need Sharp. I do not doubt CDT will be a good footballer but tell me, where does he play and what position can you envisage him selected in XXX years time in the AA team. He wasn’t the best ruck at Coats or in the carnival. He is not the best KPF in the draft! But thanks - I really like Schubert.

That is what worries us. Where will Duursma play is unsure. We don’t need 2 of them.

If you had of selected Sharp or indeed Cumming instead of CDT, you would have been applauded

When providing an opinion on who we should select with pick 2 you accurately provide the risk of a CDT - what is his best position but I think you need to provide the same level of critical assessment on players you would like to select.

For instance, in 2021 you state your preference for our pick as Ben Hobbs, now delisted and two others who the jury is still out on.



To put this in context you seemingly would have preferred Hobbs to NWM. Obviously knowing what we do now that would clearly not have the best decision. Sometimes talent is just too good too ignore regardless of list needs. If the talent is good enough every list will need it. I don't think Brisbane, Hawthorn or any team in the comp would pass on NWM regardless of how stacked they may be in that position.



Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not saying you are wrong about Sharp, Cumming and CDT. And when it comes to the draft I'm certain everyone from draft experts to nuffies have been made to look foolish.

But I do think you could provide more balance in your posts and acknowledge there is some level of risk to whoever we draft and prioritising list needs over talent is not necessarily always the best option.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

If you are going to make big bold calls like this, I’d suggest you need to do more than read Cal‘s monthly form guide.

Go to his games or dialogue with people who watch football and know football.

I won’t even try to correct you with your posts and suggest if you want to save face, then delete your post.

 

[SAweagle]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

First of all Dyson Sharp is far from a shit kick, and a far better player/leader than the Hobbgoblin so watch ya mouth.

Laying big tackles and having a strong contested inside game is literally how you stop opponents running away through the corridor with ease. Solve the problem at the source (stoppages) rather than try to address symptoms when it's too late.

Josh Dunkley isn't Insane Bolt by any stretch, The Bont has an initial burst but is no speedster, Pendlebury even in his prime was slow of leg but quick of mind. Tom Atkins at Geelong playing the extractor role isn't quick.

Who did have pace to burn? Jack Petrolchilli.

 

[WCEswift]

Just came across this game from Robey
Has about 20 disposals kicks 3.1 took 3 contested marks playing very high half forward, has a great release handballs to the passing runners. Shows impressive speed in chasing despite the combine number. Number 11 in yellow

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I like to think West Coast supporters are switched on. But the obsession with Dyson Sharp in here is an eye opener, 108 votes at pick 2? A bloke with no speed who is a shit kick is critical to our rebuild apparently. We're going to take the player ranked 9th with pick 2? Look at all of the intel Twomey offers. Richmond aren't interested in him at all with picks 3 & 4. Essendon maybe but they just delisted Hobbs who's a similar type of slow inside mid. And Melbourne might not be interested in that type of one dimensional inside mid either after dumping Oliver. Today Twomey suggested Sharp might even be there with our pick 13. That's how low his ceiling is. I don't care how many tackles you lay, or how many contested possessions you get, if your opponent runs away from you with ease through the corridor you're a liability.

Sharon isn't the saviour but he's nothing as described.

Is Sharp slow? No.
Is Sharp as shit kick? No.
Is Sharp Ranked 9? No.
Do Richmond need Sharp? No.
Is Hobbs a similar player to Sharp? No.
Is Sharp like Oliver? No.
Doe Twomey have Intel yes? Does he have a clue about Football? No.

Duursma is a half back flanker who gets moved off the line of the ball too easily to make it anywhere else.

Uwland is a small middling athlete with an over rated kick.

Duff-tytler is a conventional ruck without the ruck work.

Patterson has is small outside kid and has a below average contested game.

Annable is a small mid with middling physical attributes and mediocre disposal especially under pressure.

Robey is a just another Hutchinson who can't kick and hasn't done enough of it for long enough.

Cummings. Smooth mover middling athlete, again can't kick according to many.

Farrow. HBF who wants to be a mid but got made piss by a guy not ranked in many top 50's.

Eagles need ball winners and ground ball players of every sort and that puts Sharp on a pretty small list of players we should consider.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I'm not saying you are wrong but when providing an opinion on who we should select with pick 2 you accurately provide the risk of a CDT - what is his position but I think you need to provide the same level critical feedback on players you would like to select. For instance, in 2021 you state your preference for our pick as Ben Hobbs, now delisted and two others who the jury is still out on.

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To put this in context you seemingly would have preferred Hobbs to NWM. I don't think anyone would say we shouldn't have drafted NWM if he was available. Sometimes talent is just too good too ignore regardless of list needs. If the talent is good enough every list will need it - I don't think Brisbane, Hawthorn or any team in the comp would not take NWM regardless of how stacked they may be in that position.

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Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm not saying you are wrong about Sharp and CDT but I think you could provide more balance in your posts and acknowledge there is some level of risk to whoever we draft and prioritising list needs over talent is not necessarily the best option.

There is major risk with drafting 18 year olds, fully agree. I would personally like the age to be increased to 19 with a year of WAFL or VFL under their belt.

Not all players drafted in R1 are going to make it. And I put my hand up, I would have preferred Hobbs toSinn, Sonsie, Chesser and NWM. These players were very outside and it was clear in 2021 we lacked mids that could get it to him.

Correct in I did not see NWM develop like he did and is so much more that what he showed in his pre draft football. Sonsie and Sinn were bucketed as similar types at similar ranges as NWM, similar being outside mids and have not remained outside mids and largely seen as a poor pick. That said, the stand rule has exposed a bunch of players that lacked speed. It has significantly helped NWM and Warner type players.

The Pieman put us in a really poor predicament with refusing to draft inside or proven mids. I think our club did the wrong thing in two areas - not having the internal checks and balances of list management seperate to recruitment and secondly not investing enough in development (exacerbated by our WAFL debacle).

You might like to drag up 2016 when I was even stronger saying J Berry was a better pick than Venables for us in our list build.

Closing remark - in 2021 I was unable to attend games due to them not occurring because of Covid or WA v SA limited games. We were all going pretty blind in 2021 and even greater risk of getting it wrong.

 

[thebutterflyeffect]

There is major risk with drafting 18 year olds, fully agree. I would personally like the age to be increased to 19 with a year of WAFL or VFL under their belt.

Not all players drafted in R1 are going to make it. And I put my hand up, I would have preferred Hobbs toSinn, Sonsie, Chesser and NWM. These players were very outside and it was clear in 2021 we lacked mids that could get it to him.

Correct in I did not see NWM develop like he did and is so much more that what he showed in his pre draft football. Sonsie and Sinn were bucketed as similar types at similar ranges as NWM, similar being outside mids and have not remained outside mids and largely seen as a poor pick. That said, the stand rule has exposed a bunch of players that lacked speed. It has significantly helped NWM and Warner type players.

The Pieman put us in a really poor predicament with refusing to draft inside or proven mids. I think our club did the wrong thing in two areas - not having the internal checks and balances of list management seperate to recruitment and secondly not investing enough in development (exacerbated by our WAFL debacle).

You might like to drag up 2016 when I was even stronger saying J Berry was a better pick than Venables for us in our list build.

Closing remark - in 2021 I was unable to attend games due to them not occurring because of Covid or WA v SA limited games. We were all going pretty blind in 2021 and even greater risk of getting it wrong.

Totally get it and I would have no idea on AFL talent identification and completely defer to those with knowledge like yourself.

Also fully acknowledge that the draft is not an exact science and it's easy to cherry pick examples where people got it wrong.

The mindset that we desperately need midfielders can result in picking up a Hobbs over an NWM but could also result in selecting a J Selwood over a Mitch Thorpe.

The main point I'm trying to make is that I think it would help your viewpoint if you were equally critical of your own preference as you are off those you would rather pass on. It would help explain why you believe a Sharp is more likely to be a Selwood than a Hobbs or why a CDT is unlikely to be a modern day Cox (or whichever non athletic freak NicNat type ruck)

 

[Shueygod]

We have this year and next year to address our midfield for the next decade and we have to hit on those picks. We'll find some gems along the way but, statistically, picks 1, 2 and our F1 will be elite 200-game players.

I've wanted Sharp and Cumming from the start for the reasons you've mentioned above. We have two drafts to nail down our core for the next decade and contested footy wins premierships.

I would have no qualms taking those two first unless we were confident we could fill one of those roles next year. Given there's a chance we finish last again and the prize is Cochrane, it makes sense to fill the midfield out now so we're not left wanting next year. Worst case scenario is that we don't finish last, don't need any more midfielders, and our F1 has a higher value than our picks this year in a draft with better WA talent.

That said, I can understand why we might take a flyer on CDT as he would be a unique player and a match up nightmare if he can put it all together. We'll find another Duursma (and Robey) next year, the year after and the year after that.

We can find another Sharp far easier than another Duursma (and CDT) , there’s players like Sharp every year. Duursma and CDT types also take longer to develop, makes far more sense to grab them this year and the ready made low ceiling inside mid next year for our timeline.

 

[Shueygod]

I also am not convinced we need Sharp, would be backing a couple of Gross/Hall/Hough/Allan/Ginbey/Mccarthy to become B grade mids, Hewett barring injury will be at worse borderline A grade, Harley is obviously A grade, Duursma ideally becomes A grade, the club also will have a fairly solid idea if we will get Warner (which I think we will) and we have next year.

Brisbane are an exception, other recent premiership midfields:

Geelong
Holmes - Transition offensive A grade mid
Smith - accumulating A grade mid
Atkins - as good a defensive/contested mid as it gets but realistically a B grade talent
Mullin - handy tagger but nothing special
Danger - A grade on his day offensive mid

Sydney
Heeney - A grade balanced/offensive mid capable
Warner - A grade offensive mid
Gulden - A grade wing
Rowbottom as good a defensive/contested mid as it gets but realistically a B grade talent

Collingwood
Daicos - A grade offensive mid
De Goey - A grade on his day offensive mid
Pendlebury - B grade mid at the time
Mitchell - B grade contested mid

If we want another example, Collingwood this year had:
Daicos, Ned Long, De Goey, Sidebottom

Eagles 2027-2030 should have
Reid - A grade offensive mid (Heeney/Smith/Daicos) not the same type of player but in terms of level
Warner - A grade offensive mid (Warner/Homes/De Goey)
Hewett - A/B grade offensive mid
Duursma - A/B grade offensive mid/Wing (Gulden)
Next years 1st

Based on the above we would need 1/2 of Warner/Duursma/Hewett/next years 1st to become an A grade mid. Personally I like those odds.

If that were to occur there’d only be room for one defensive/contested midfielder in our team, I’d feel very confident on some one on our list to accomplish that, particularly given Ginbey (I prefer him as a back man) has proven he can be at worse an elite defensive mid.

 

[uptheWC]

Care to elaborate?

Hence the realism, I don’t see this draft ending how we want it to unless something completely left field happens

As has been repeated on here many times, no proper midfielders in that list. It just can’t go that way for the sake of the club.

 

[txbyhull]

As has been repeated on here many times, no proper midfielders in that list. It just can’t go that way for the sake of the club.

Where do you see them coming from, realistically, if not Sharp at 2 over CDT? There’s none available. Genuinely. Blamires is a ready made option, Harry Scott is similarly a few years older than the draftees and could provide a more ready made body ala McCarthy. Both could very well be taken by Hawthorn or Collingwood respectively.

 

[Dale Doback]

Sharon isn't the saviour but he's nothing as described.

Is Sharp slow? No.
Is Sharp as shit kick? No.
Is Sharp Ranked 9? No.
Do Richmond need Sharp? No.
Is Hobbs a similar player to Sharp? No.
Is Sharp like Oliver? No.
Doe Twomey have Intel yes? Does he have a clue about Football? No.

Duursma is a half back flanker who gets moved off the line of the ball too easily to make it anywhere else.

Uwland is a small middling athlete with an over rated kick.

Duff-tytler is a conventional ruck without the ruck work.

Patterson has is small outside kid and has a below average contested game.

Annable is a small mid with middling physical attributes and mediocre disposal especially under pressure.

Robey is a just another Hutchinson who can't kick and hasn't done enough of it for long enough.

Cummings. Smooth mover middling athlete, again can't kick according to many.

Farrow. HBF who wants to be a mid but got made piss by a guy not ranked in many top 50's.

Eagles need ball winners and ground ball players of every sort and that puts Sharp on a pretty small list of players we should consider.

Duursma is a lanky high talent kid who could start on the wing, build his frame and go on ball and he can break the lines and deliver the footy.
Duff-Tytler agreed, who knows considering he switched from basketball late.
Robey isn't Hutch FFS. He's a half forward mid with a bit of toe who has clean hands, a good leg and a bit of mongrel in the contest who's 5cm taller than your boy Sharp.
Cumming can win a contested ball but can also break from stoppage with pace, has great hands and hits the scoreboard.
Farrow is a natural talent who could start on a wing too and has a laser left foot and a good step in traffic, can also win his own ball.
And yes Twomey does have an idea about football and the draft and has a lot of intel. He's positioned to be the Sharms of the AFL breaking stories and trades. The guys knows which way the clubs are leaning.
Getting hands on the ball is half the battle if you're no threat to the opposition because you've got a shit leg. It's Matt Priddis ball hunting while Shuey cops the tag. Go ahead Pridda, get the ball...

 

[uptheWC]

We can find another Sharp far easier than another Duursma (and CDT) , there’s players like Sharp every year. Duursma and CDT types also take longer to develop, makes far more sense to grab them this year and the ready made low ceiling inside mid next year for our timeline.

There are A grade potential mids in every draft, but we are never usually in the position to pick them, but the one time we are you suggest we just keep waiting? There are players with just as much or more raw talent than Duursma or CDT every year, but the difference is you don’t need those utility types of players for a successful team, you need A grade contested mids.

 

[uptheWC]

Where do you see them coming from, realistically, if not Sharp at 2 over CDT? There’s none available. Genuinely. Blamires is a ready made option, Harry Scott is similarly a few years older than the draftees and could provide a more ready made body ala McCarthy. Both could very well be taken by Hawthorn or Collingwood respectively.

I see Sharp at 2 as the right option. Anything else will make it a disaster of a draft.

 

[txbyhull]

I’ve seen this take now twice, once in this thread and once in I wanna say Ed’s phantom thread. Where has this idea come from that Ginbey is “at worst” an A grade defensive mid? Am I losing my mind? I had old mate from the Essendon board tell me Ginbey becomes Dunkley at worst. What on earth are people smoking

 

[txbyhull]

I see Sharp at 2 as the right option. Anything else will make it a disaster of a draft.

Right option sure, but all the noise is CDT. So as I said realistically where does it come from. You’re setting yourself up to think of the draft as a disaster when a lot of the talk is saying that, in your view, it never had a chance to begin with (in that Sharp was never going to be taken at 2).

I’d love if he was.

 

[txbyhull]

Duursma is a lanky high talent kid who could start on the wing, build his frame and go on ball and he can break the lines and deliver the footy.
Duff-Tytler agreed, who knows considering he switched from basketball late.
Robey isn't Hutch FFS. He's a half forward mid with a bit of toe who has clean hands, a good leg and a bit of mongrel in the contest who's 5cm taller than your boy Sharp.
Cumming can win a contested ball but can also break from stoppage with pace, has great hands and hits the scoreboard.
Farrow is a natural talent who could start on a wing too and has a laser left foot and a good step in traffic, can also win his own ball.
And yes Twomey does have an idea about football and the draft and has a lot of intel. He's positioned to be the Sharms of the AFL breaking stories and trades. The guys knows which way the clubs are leaning.
Getting hands on the ball is half the battle if you're no threat to the opposition because you've got a shit leg. It's Matt Priddis ball hunting while Shuey cops the tag. Go ahead Pridda, get the ball...

I think you can just say you hate Sharp. You don’t need to pretend like there’s logic to it when you are giving every other kid the benefit of the doubt and not him…