List Mgmt. Draft thread - 2025 (remaining picks: 29, 34)

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Live draft hand
R1: 1 (Duursma), 4 (CDT), 19 (Lindsay)
R2: 29, 34
RD: 1

Draft picks pre-draft
R1: 1, 2, 13
R2: 34, 41
RD: 1

List spots available
Main list: 2 (includes Duursma, CDT, Lindsay)
Cat A Rookie list: 1 (expecting Robertson, Macrae and Schoenberg to join as SSP signings)
Cat B Rookie list: 1

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[Barrybran]

He might not be but is Sharp? Annable, Uwland and Duursma are all better footballers right now imo.

I’m not convinced there’s a significant gap between the ability of CDT and Sharp at the moment and I’m even less convinced there’ll be a gap (in favour of Sharp) by the time Sharp is ready to actually be a mid at AFL level.

CDT is every chance of having a bigger impact than Sharp next year.

That is VERY ambitious. No, CDT is not a better footballer than Sharp at the moment. CDT is rated higher on potential ceiling, not actual current ability.

 

[beagles]

In the most anticipated draft since 2024 West Coast Eagles take the tried and tested path of selecting best available talent with all three 1st round picks.

Pick 1. W Duursma
Pick 2. ?
Pick 13. ?

 

[RanaNaved]

Probably not the thread to put this, oh well.

Garrison Kenh is in the AFL academy. Mellody, LeCras and van Rooyen the other west Australians

 

[ronpingwins]

Probably not the thread to put this ,oh well.

Garrison Kenh is in the AFL academy. Mellody, LeCras and van Rooyen the other west Australians

Lucas Robinson not there?

 

[Shueygod]

He can't jump like Jackson and isn't the athlete blicavs is.

Jackson can’t run like CDT and Blicavs doesn’t have the reach of CDT, all three are fantastic athletes.

Why. Explain yourself

The talent gaps are most prominent at the top end of the draft, this year I believe it’s particularly evident. I want a bloke that can be AA at pick 2, Sharp imo is not that.

Rubbish never going to happen.

Why? Curtin has proven to be a fantastic runner, has tidy skills and would be a nightmare match up on a wing as is Curtin.

Will it though, who exactly is the inside mid that has more growth?

What a ridiculous question, almost all of them. 4 of our top 6 CBA’s this year were Reid, Hough, Hewett, Hall. You think they have all reached their peak?

I don't.

I’ve just given you the stats of JHF’s first year, Clay hall performed better this year (in theory Hall will only get better again), either you expect Sharp to outperform a far better prospect in JHF or you think Hall will somehow regress.

Wardlaw. Ashcroft. Langford look pretty good. Lalor set the world on fire in his first game. Curtains going ok. Horn Francis. Butters did. Serong. Rowell.

Wardlaw played 26 games combined his first two years at a level equivalent to Hall/Dev Rob, Ashcroft got injured, Langford averaged 18D and 2CL a game primarily off a wing (a great effort for a kid, he’s not impacting games), Lalor got injured and averaged 12D a game, Curtain barely played his first year and is barely a mid, I’ve already shown JHF had a worse first year than Hall this year, Butters had a worse first year than Hall this year, Rowell played 18 games combined, Serong I’ll pay.

In terms of inside mids who managed to play a full season in their first year as an impactful inside midfielder you’ve managed to name 1, at best 2.

In terms of players that came in and were clearly better in their first year as a contested mid than a Hall/Dev Rob, Rowell was one of the best prospects of all time and Ashcroft averaged 26 and 100 fantasy at VFL level his draft year.

Serong would be the exception, I wouldn’t feel confident banking on an exception, Sharp was also comparatively rated lower than Serong.

None of the others showed the ability to average more than 3 clearances a game.

He will go straight into the middle and rotate through the forward line and bench with Dev. Harley, Hewitt, Allen and gross will rotate through.

Harley
Hewett
D.Rob
Hall
Kelly
Hough/Mccarthy
Yeo (probably injured)

Will all be preferred/more effective as an inside mid than Sharp next year.

What makes you think Sharp will have a better rookie season than the bloke that had 11 clearances in a SANFL prelim coming off the back of a full year playing in the SANFL?

If JHF couldn’t do it, why can Sharp?

 

[Shueygod]

That is VERY ambitious. No, CDT is not a better footballer than Sharp at the moment. CDT is rated higher on potential ceiling, not actual current ability.

What do you think Sharp averages next year?

If he weren’t to get injured playing inside mid (unlikely based on 90% of inside mid rookies), I’d expect 15D, 3CL at absolute best.

What would CDT need to do to better that?

Doesn’t seem that ambitious.

Sharp types typically don’t come in and impact immediately as it doesn’t matter how “ready made” they are, they aren’t equipped to playing as an inside mid at afl level.

Look at Sanders for a recent example.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

Chad Wingard too

Dunkley did it too. Did a deal with Sydney that if any other non Vic clubs matched he'd got to Sydney. But if a Vic club matched they would let him stay in Melbourne

 

[Barrybran]

What do you think Sharp averages next year?

If he weren’t to get injured playing inside mid (unlikely based on 90% of inside mid rookies), I’d expect 15D, 3CL at absolute best.

What would CDT need to do to better that?

Doesn’t seem that ambitious.

Sharp types typically don’t come in and impact immediately as it doesn’t matter how “ready made” they are, they aren’t equipped to playing as an inside mid at afl level.

Look at Sanders for a recent example.

It doesn't matter what draftees do next year. It's the next 10 years that clubs are drafting for. That's why CDT is rated higher. Enough people think he'll be a better player at their respective peaks.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Nah, you aren’t the 2nd rated prospect solely because of what you could be.

He had 13 disposals and 5 shots on goal in his first and only VFL game this year, to act like he’s “far from the best footballer in the draft” is silly.

I think theres an argument that CDT is in more best 22s than Sharp next season.

CDT would be more likely to get a game at Brisbane than Sharp for example.

I also really like CDT, but when comparing output as a forward at VFL level this is how Shanahan (pick 30) went:

‘Shanahan also impressed in AFL Academy showcase matches and particularly at VFL level, where he kicked 11 goals in three appearances with Essendon’s reserves.’

I really hope a decent opportunity to split 2 surfaces for us. That’s better than CDT at 2 (that has merit), and far better than Sharp at 2 which is a reach and overs compared to most player ratings.

If you say Sharp at 2 you are reverting to needs based drafting, which is not what you want to do with such a prized pick.

Let’s go team split

 

[Jukes]

After reading every word of this thread, I’m starting to think the best thing we can do as a club and for our future is boycott this draft. Everyone is s**thouse.

 

[RanaNaved]

Lucas Robinson not there?

Nah

 

[Shueygod]

I also really like CDT, but when comparing output as a forward at VFL level this is how Shanahan (pick 30) went:

‘Shanahan also impressed in AFL Academy showcase matches and particularly at VFL level, where he kicked 11 goals in three appearances with Essendon’s reserves.’

Yep, made no sense at the time he lasted until 30. I don’t think there’s many KPF’s that has performed at Shanahans or CDT’s level in recent years at league. Schubert for example had 8 disposals and a goal in his lone SANFL match.

Logan McDonald an example of another KPF that performed very well in an inferior competition his draft year.

 

[garlic munchers]

I also really like CDT, but when comparing output as a forward at VFL level this is how Shanahan (pick 30) went:

‘Shanahan also impressed in AFL Academy showcase matches and particularly at VFL level, where he kicked 11 goals in three appearances with Essendon’s reserves.’

I really hope a decent opportunity to split 2 surfaces for us. That’s better than CDT at 2 (that has merit), and far better than Sharp at 2 which is a reach and overs compared to most player ratings.

If you say Sharp at 2 you are reverting to needs based drafting, which is not what you want to do with such a prized pick.

Let’s go team split

Shanahan and CDT running around in the Fwd line at Optus in 2028 would should could maybe has a strong solid small chance of being something incredible....... I can live with this speccy pick.

Particularly if the galloping purple polony ends up being rated as a temu fwd compared to our superstars!

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Shanahan and CDT running around at Optus in 2028 would should could maybe has a strong solid small chance of being something incredible....... I can live with this speccy pick.

Particularly if the galloping purple polony ends up being rated as a temu fwd compared to our superstars!

In the spirit of a certain shitty sliding doors columnist....

IF CDT is the pick.

Then we need a good year from Bailey Williams so he gets a big offer in RFA, and

If Shanahan and Waterman can both have great years and CDT shows signs as a mobile forward

Then Waterman getting poached by a team desperate for a forward and they offers a compelling trade it would make me take a look...

 

[MrWoollie]

Taking sharp (an indisputably lesser talent than CDT) is betting against that.

What a strange interpretation/definition of 'indisputably lesser talent'.

He's certainly a better athlete but clearly (at this moment in time) the lesser footballer.

If you want someone who will have the earlier impact and suits our needs more, Sharp is the man.
If you want potential who may turn into a secondary mobile ruck or a key position defender of Brander MkII then go CDT.

If you draft on hope and maybe ceiling then CDT's your man. Otherwise it's Sharp by the length of Winx victory.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I suspect if we are interested in say a pick #2 (and player) we have met him and his family.

I spoke to Sharp's girlfriend and her parents at the Champs earlier this year. They're all West Coast supporters, so make of that what you will.

 

[MrWoollie]

1. The CTL is of far higher quality than SANFL/WAFl colts. That’s the reason it’s paid higher attention (rightly or wrongly).

I can confidently say CDT would be top 10% coming into the AFL in those traits for his height/position, I doubt Sharp would be top 10% in any traits coming into the AFL for his height/position.

The CTL is a higher standard (Yes, I actually agree with you here) than SANFL/WAFL colts. But how would you rate it in comparison to SANFL/WAFL seniors which is where Sharp has been playing.

And what is CDT's position? He's not a rucks orifice. He's not good enough in the contested possession to be dominant in CTL forward or back. He really looks like an exceptional athlete who is a nearly footballer in whatever position you try him.

 

[ziad]

I spoke to Sharp's girlfriend and her parents at the Champs earlier this year. They're all West Coast supporters, so make of that what you will.

I make of that, that he comes from a fine family and makes excellent decisions.

 

[Shueygod]

What a strange interpretation/definition of 'indisputably lesser talent'.

He's certainly a better athlete but clearly (at this moment in time) the lesser footballer.

If you want someone who will have the earlier impact and suits our needs more, Sharp is the man.
If you want potential who may turn into a secondary mobile ruck or a key position defender of Brander MkII then go CDT.

If you draft on hope and maybe ceiling then CDT's your man. Otherwise it's Sharp by the length of Winx victory.

Sanders, Clark, Hobbs, Draper, Ward some of the recent safe readymade inside mids to be taken top 10.

Any of those have an early impact?

Did any inside mids that weren’t rated a generational talent have an early impact bar Serong? Any rated outside the top 5 in their own draft class?

 

[Mattman93]

Sharon isn't the saviour but he's nothing as described.

Is Sharp slow? No.
Is Sharp as shit kick? No.
Is Sharp Ranked 9? No.
Do Richmond need Sharp? No.
Is Hobbs a similar player to Sharp? No.
Is Sharp like Oliver? No.
Doe Twomey have Intel yes? Does he have a clue about Football? No.

Duursma is a half back flanker who gets moved off the line of the ball too easily to make it anywhere else.

Uwland is a small middling athlete with an over rated kick.

Duff-tytler is a conventional ruck without the ruck work.

Patterson has is small outside kid and has a below average contested game.

Annable is a small mid with middling physical attributes and mediocre disposal especially under pressure.

Robey is a just another Hutchinson who can't kick and hasn't done enough of it for long enough.

Cummings. Smooth mover middling athlete, again can't kick according to many.

Farrow. HBF who wants to be a mid but got made piss by a guy not ranked in many top 50's.

Eagles need ball winners and ground ball players of every sort and that puts Sharp on a pretty small list of players we should consider.

All true and the bolded has been my hobby horse for years now (and that it's statistically evident ground ball game and quantity of elite pressure small forwards is highly determinative of finals success).

This is why Grlj is a favourite of mine for us this draft, production concerns notwithstanding. Shouldn't be concerned about perceived overpaying, find a way to pair him with (say) Sharp and Dovaston and we'll have taken the right approach.

It's also why we should have drafted Ollie Hannaford (superior to Dovaston) over Allan last year.

 

[Shueygod]

The CTL is a higher standard (Yes, I actually agree with you here) than SANFL/WAFL colts. But how would you rate it in comparison to SANFL/WAFL seniors which is where Sharp has been playing.

And what is CDT's position? He's not a rucks orifice. He's not good enough in the contested possession to be dominant in CTL forward or back. He really looks like an exceptional athlete who is a nearly footballer in whatever position you try him.

Sharp averaged 14 disposals and 3 clearances a game at SANFL level, compare that to Draper/JHF who both were average (in JHF’s case) in their first years in the AFL.

CDT averaged 20 disposals and a goal a game, this rhetoric that he’s “just an athlete” is genuine nonsense. CDT is a fantastic footballer that possesses elite athleticism.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

God this would be unbearable.

I'd rather us just take Sharp and Cumming at 1/2. (Or really any combination not involving CDT I guess).

I reckon it's propaganda.

 

[txbyhull]

I’m sticking with my previous assertion that Shueygod can just say he hates Dyson Sharp and be done with it, the rest of the chatter is wildly unnecessary given he is clearly set in his thinking.

I don’t even slightly agree with the idea that our midfield naturally improves enough to where we need not bring in one with a top 2 pick, and if we’re doing the looking to 2027 exercise I’d recommend looking a few years ahead of that too, when Harley has left because he spent his whole rookie contract without any meaningful help. We’ve 1 A grader that will ever play midfield on our list, and I’d give Duursma a 50% chance of being that. The guy needs the solid A- Libba-lite who’s the ready made body to give him a hand.

I genuinely do think Sharp comes in better than all of our mids bar Harley and Hewett.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sharp averaged 14 disposals and 3 clearances a game at SANFL level, compare that to Draper/JHF who both were average (in JHF’s case) in their first years in the AFL.

CDT averaged 20 disposals and a goal a game, this rhetoric that he’s “just an athlete” is genuine nonsense. CDT is a fantastic footballer that possesses elite athleticism.

Sharp's SANFL stats are interesting. He played a lot of half forward as well as through the midfield. Knowing the actual breakdown (which i'm sure recruiters would have) on what the spilt was in each game would be interesting.

You look at the highlighted, and he averages 17.4 touches, 4.4 clearances. Were these the higher midfield games?

 

[txbyhull]

Sharp's SANFL stats are interesting. He played a lot of half forward as well as through the midfield. Knowing the actual breakdown (which i'm sure recruiters would have) on what the spilt was in each game would be interesting.

You look at the highlighted, and he averages 17.4 touches, 4.4 clearances. Were these the higher midfield games?

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The fact that he can do this at all puts him up there in contention for 2 imo. CTL vs SANFL u18s is great, but watch someone here try and say CTL > SANFL League. Even SANFL vs VFL, CDTs game there was incredibly misleading.