Competitions Draft/Trade predictions

[meima]

You would end up hating Grey though. He gives the ball up as much as Suban.

Sorry nyhuis, grey and ueber is not in my hate list no matter how they play, deluca is another one that slowly coming into that list also, as for suban you can have him for the rest of your life.

 

[salim malik]

Sorry nyhuis, grey and ueber is not in my hate list no matter how they play, deluca is another one that slowly coming into that list also, as for suban you can have him for the rest of your life.

Nah if they don't reach your lofty heights you will hate them all.

 

[george2]

Does the possibility of re-drafting two defensive mids (Deluca and Grey) mean that we are wanting to draft in a defensive mid with better skills but if we don't we'll re-draft one or both of them?

Both these guys have terrible disposal, i dont think we should waste our time re-drafting either of them. The game has gone passed players that can dispose of the ball well.

 

[meima]

Both these guys have terrible disposal, i dont think we should waste our time re-drafting either of them. The game has gone passed players that can dispose of the ball well.

But all the good disposal player is in top 10 and freo only got 1 pick. If there is good disposal player in other team do you think they will release them . Freo already spend some time on them why draft skinny kid again and develop .

 

[george2]

But all the good disposal player is in top 10 and freo only got 1 pick. If there is good disposal player in other team do you think they will release them . Freo already spend some time on them why draft skinny kid again and develop .

Grey has been in the system for what three years now? his disposal has not improved at all, his skills are not up to AFL standard and never will be. It is just a waste to pick either of these guys up, we may as well draft a new kid in and see how we go.

 

[meima]

Grey has been in the system for what three years now? his disposal has not improved at all, his skills are not up to AFL standard and never will be. It is just a waste to pick either of these guys up, we may as well draft a new kid in and see how we go.

I see improvement in his game watching wafl, so is deluca , but like i said if freo pass on them ,i wish them all the best .

 

[Scham]

Grey has been in the system for what three years now? his disposal has not improved at all, his skills are not up to AFL standard and never will be. It is just a waste to pick either of these guys up, we may as well draft a new kid in and see how we go.

I tend to agree with this. I was of the opinion that both had shown enough improvement to stay but obviously the club thinks they can get better so lets just stand by that and move on by drafting others that tick the clubs boxes where Deluca and Grey couldn't i.e. footskills.

 

[eastfreo75]

1. Mayne compo for B Hill
2. 2017 Second round pick for McCarthy
3. Ballatyne plus pick 39 for Eagles picks 30 and 48
4. Barlow for Kersten (I HOPE I AM WRONG)
5. Suban for Conca (I HOPE I AM WRONG)
6. SOS and pick 75 for Lions pick 56
7. De Boer to the Blues for nothing
8. Z Clarke to stay
9. Pick 3 on McCluggage
10. Hogan stays at Melbourne

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/10/07/balme-talks-caracella-leppa-and-conca/

I am glad I am wrong with number 5. Hoping for 4 to be wrong as well.

 

[meima]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/10/07/balme-talks-caracella-leppa-and-conca/

I am glad I am wrong with number 5. Hoping for 4 to be wrong as well.

Hoping to get a fourth rd for suban.

 

[clivenator26]

McCarthy - future 3rd, we hold firm and they want the future pick.
Kersten - our 3rd for their 5th Rd.
BHill - Mayne compo
Hamling - he stays at the dogs.

Suban - 3rd rounder from a Melb/Carl/Suns/BL type of team.
Barlow - Suns pick 29
Clarke - stays
DeBoer, Hannath, Clancee, Tendai - no one touches

Forgot Ballaz - will be pick 48 I suspect but would like a little more.

 

[Cobbler]

I think there might be a whole bunch of pick upgrades and downgrades with our dealings. Simply saying pick 39 for X player I don't think is going to occur a great deal. We need picks to replace players, which already stands at 10.

Here's my top of my head predictions/guesses.

I think we will trade pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 7, 16, 52 and McCarthy (This values McCarthy as pick 63 BUT gives GWS pick 3, which is the whole reason they'd do it. Pick 52 is nothing to them anyway, but gives us currency for future trades)

We will then use 16
For Hill and pick 33 (This values Hill at 36, but Hawks need to move up the draft order to secure other names)

Those are the 2 big pieces of the puzzle.

It would leave us with
7, 33, 39, 52, 70 etc.

We may then try to move some of these picks up example.

Ballas and 39
For 30 and 48 (This values Ballas at 37)

Barlow we try to get a late 2nd for simply because GC can and unlikely to use. So
Barlow for 28. If they want to negotiate and not just give us a 2nd then it could be Barlow and 33 for 25 and 41 (Which I'd actually prefer)

After Ballas and Barlow deals we now have
7, 25, 30, 41, 48, 52, 70 etc

Those 41, 48 or 52 picks are used on Hamling and Kersten. Let's just assume we use the 2 highest from those suggestions.

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

If that all happened, I wouldn't be too upset. At 7 we pick best available. At 25 best tall available and a ruckman with out later picks.

If we can nab one of Hamling or Kersten in PSD then bonus.

If Suban or someone else gets us a pick, then bonus.

Opinions?

 

[Clems Knee]

I think there might be a whole bunch of pick upgrades and downgrades with our dealings. Simply saying pick 39 for X player I don't think is going to occur a great deal. We need picks to replace players, which already stands at 10.

Here's my top of my head predictions/guesses.

I think we will trade pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 7, 16, 52 and McCarthy (This values McCarthy as pick 63 BUT gives GWS pick 3, which is the whole reason they'd do it. Pick 52 is nothing to them anyway, but gives us currency for future trades)

We will then use 16
For Hill and pick 33 (This values Hill at 36, but Hawks need to move up the draft order to secure other names)

Those are the 2 big pieces of the puzzle.

It would leave us with
7, 33, 39, 52, 70 etc.

We may then try to move some of these picks up example.

Ballas and 39
For 30 and 48 (This values Ballas at 37)

Barlow we try to get a late 2nd for simply because GC can and unlikely to use. So
Barlow for 28. If they want to negotiate and not just give us a 2nd then it could be Barlow and 33 for 25 and 41 (Which I'd actually prefer)

After Ballas and Barlow deals we now have
7, 25, 30, 41, 48, 52, 70 etc

Those 41, 48 or 52 picks are used on Hamling and Kersten. Let's just assume we use the 2 highest from those suggestions.

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

If that all happened, I wouldn't be too upset. At 7 we pick best available. At 25 best tall available and a ruckman with out later picks.

If we can nab one of Hamling or Kersten in PSD then bonus.

If Suban or someone else gets us a pick, then bonus.

Opinions?

Good to have you back.

All of the above are pretty realistic. My problem with them are each require a reasonable deal with (often) unreasonable people. Getting a pick back with the Hill, Ballantyne trades would be good for us.
Barlow may be a bit high.

I just have a feeling that if Kersten gets a contract offer from Geelong, he would take it. Same for Hamling. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Cobbler]

Good to have you back.

All of the above are pretty realistic. My problem with them are each require a reasonable deal with (often) unreasonable people. Getting a pick back with the Hill, Ballantyne trades would be good for us.
Barlow may be a bit high.

I just have a feeling that if Kersten gets a contract offer from Geelong, he would take it. Same for Hamling. Hope I'm wrong.

I have highlighted what could possibly be the biggest stumbling block is in the first piece of the puzzle. Whether we'd consider moving pick 3. Whether GWS are at all reasonable. Combine those 2 and it could be a lost cause.

I'd actually think in my scenario that despite McCarthy being valued so low, that Freo wouldn't do that deal.

We do need to get creative.

Pick 3 holds all the value and the key for all deals to fall into place IMO. Not just for one deal, but all future deals.

We simply must turn it into an extra pick.

 

[Clems Knee]

I have highlighted what could possibly be the biggest stumbling block is in the first piece of the puzzle. Whether we'd consider moving pick 3. Whether GWS are at all reasonable. Combine those 2 and it could be a lost cause.

I'd actually think in my scenario that despite McCarthy being valued so low, that Freo wouldn't do that deal.

We do need to get creative.

Pick 3 holds all the value and the key for all deals to fall into place IMO. Not just for one deal, but all future deals.

We simply must turn it into an extra pick.

I agree, and have said so for months now. Someone who should know told me that Freo would look to trading down pick 3. But this will depend on other clubs being prepared to cut a deal, and the willingness of GWS (or less likely, GCS) to do a fair trade that benefits both clubs, not just them. I am not optimistic that they will do this.

 

[Cobbler]

I agree, and have said so for months now. Someone who should know told me that Freo would look to trading down pick 3. But this will depend on other clubs being prepared to cut a deal, and the willingness of GWS (or less likely, GCS) to do a fair trade that benefits both clubs, not just them. I am not optimistic that they will do this.

We could also use future picks, but the maths on that is much harder to work out. Plus I'd want to keep 2017 picks as it's forecast to be a cracker and height heavy.

 

[Arcassius]

If we do trade down our pick 3 or get another pick in the 12-18 range, I wonder if we'd pick up Jarrod Berry as an intercept marker with good metres gained

 

[Redgum]

I think there might be a whole bunch of pick upgrades and downgrades with our dealings. Simply saying pick 39 for X player I don't think is going to occur a great deal. We need picks to replace players, which already stands at 10.

Here's my top of my head predictions/guesses.

I think we will trade pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 7, 16, 52 and McCarthy (This values McCarthy as pick 63 BUT gives GWS pick 3, which is the whole reason they'd do it. Pick 52 is nothing to them anyway, but gives us currency for future trades)

We will then use 16
For Hill and pick 33 (This values Hill at 36, but Hawks need to move up the draft order to secure other names)

Those are the 2 big pieces of the puzzle.

It would leave us with
7, 33, 39, 52, 70 etc.

We may then try to move some of these picks up example.

Ballas and 39
For 30 and 48 (This values Ballas at 37)

Barlow we try to get a late 2nd for simply because GC can and unlikely to use. So
Barlow for 28. If they want to negotiate and not just give us a 2nd then it could be Barlow and 33 for 25 and 41 (Which I'd actually prefer)

After Ballas and Barlow deals we now have
7, 25, 30, 41, 48, 52, 70 etc

Those 41, 48 or 52 picks are used on Hamling and Kersten. Let's just assume we use the 2 highest from those suggestions.

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

If that all happened, I wouldn't be too upset. At 7 we pick best available. At 25 best tall available and a ruckman with out later picks.

If we can nab one of Hamling or Kersten in PSD then bonus.

If Suban or someone else gets us a pick, then bonus.

Opinions?

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

I would love that scenario , having those players plus those picks (7,25,30 are excellent picks). We could end up with a few good prospects from the draft.

 

[Cobbler]

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

I would love that scenario , having those players plus those picks (7,25,30 are excellent picks). We could end up with a few good prospects from the draft.

I've possibly been one eyed in most trades, but at the same time thought about what other clubs will need.

All depends on the McCarthy trade and that one needs to get done quickly.

 

[Cobbler]

I think there might be a whole bunch of pick upgrades and downgrades with our dealings. Simply saying pick 39 for X player I don't think is going to occur a great deal. We need picks to replace players, which already stands at 10.

Here's my top of my head predictions/guesses.

I think we will trade pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 7, 16, 52 and McCarthy (This values McCarthy as pick 63 BUT gives GWS pick 3, which is the whole reason they'd do it. Pick 52 is nothing to them anyway, but gives us currency for future trades)

We will then use 16
For Hill and pick 33 (This values Hill at 36, but Hawks need to move up the draft order to secure other names)

Those are the 2 big pieces of the puzzle.

It would leave us with
7, 33, 39, 52, 70 etc.

We may then try to move some of these picks up example.

Ballas and 39
For 30 and 48 (This values Ballas at 37)

Barlow we try to get a late 2nd for simply because GC can and unlikely to use. So
Barlow for 28. If they want to negotiate and not just give us a 2nd then it could be Barlow and 33 for 25 and 41 (Which I'd actually prefer)

After Ballas and Barlow deals we now have
7, 25, 30, 41, 48, 52, 70 etc

Those 41, 48 or 52 picks are used on Hamling and Kersten. Let's just assume we use the 2 highest from those suggestions.

After all is said and done that leaves us with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling and picks 7, 25, 30, 52, 70.

If that all happened, I wouldn't be too upset. At 7 we pick best available. At 25 best tall available and a ruckman with out later picks.

If we can nab one of Hamling or Kersten in PSD then bonus.

If Suban or someone else gets us a pick, then bonus.

Opinions?

I'm going to have another crack at the very same idea as my previous post, but with trades not in our favour.

Pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 15, 16, 34 and McCarthy (values him at 47, but GWS get pick 3 and keep their 7. Not many here would do this if Freo, but I did say I'll do it as a reasonable but against us group of trades)

16 still to Hawks
Hill and pick 51 (Values Hill at 24, but still gives Hawks that early pick to complete other deals)

Ballas
For pick 48

Barlow for pick 41

At this stage we're looking at
McCarthy, Hill and picks 15, 34, 39, 41, 48, 51, 58.

Let's now say we part way with picks 39 and 41 for Hamling and Kersten.

That ends our trade season with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling picks 15, 34, 48, 51, 58, 76 etc

To be honest, despite most of us being upset at losing pick 3 we'd still have gotten the 4 players rumoured to want to come to us, with 3 of them filling needs massively. English may slide to pick 15, but I'm confident we can still nab an excellent tall with with pick. Maybe a Logue type.
34 onwards becomes a bit more speculative, but we focus on home grown talent.

Despite the need for everyone wanting a star at pick 3, we do have an opportunity to bring 4 guys in that 'should' be best 22. Picks 34 onwards are high risk gambles. Liam Ryan would be a great gamble at 34.

It's tough, but taking pick 3 to the draft is a huge gamble and I'm in 2 minds as to whether the sum of all parts are greater then a big piece of the puzzle, especially when there's no guarantees on the big piece.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

I'm going to have another crack at the very same idea as my previous post, but with trades not in our favour.

Pick 3 and 23 (Mayne Compo)
For 15, 16, 34 and McCarthy (values him at 47, but GWS get pick 3 and keep their 7. Not many here would do this if Freo, but I did say I'll do it as a reasonable but against us group of trades)

16 still to Hawks
Hill and pick 51 (Values Hill at 24, but still gives Hawks that early pick to complete other deals)

Ballas
For pick 48

Barlow for pick 41

At this stage we're looking at
McCarthy, Hill and picks 15, 34, 39, 41, 48, 51, 58.

Let's now say we part way with picks 39 and 41 for Hamling and Kersten.

That ends our trade season with
McCarthy, Hill, Kersten, Hamling picks 15, 34, 48, 51, 58, 76 etc

To be honest, despite most of us being upset at losing pick 3 we'd still have gotten the 4 players rumoured to want to come to us, with 3 of them filling needs massively. English may slide to pick 15, but I'm confident we can still nab an excellent tall with with pick. Maybe a Logue type.
34 onwards becomes a bit more speculative, but we focus on home grown talent.

Despite the need for everyone wanting a star at pick 3, we do have an opportunity to bring 4 guys in that 'should' be best 22. Picks 34 onwards are high risk gambles. Liam Ryan would be a great gamble at 34.

It's tough, but taking pick 3 to the draft is a huge gamble and I'm in 2 minds as to whether the sum of all parts are greater then a big piece of the puzzle, especially when there's no guarantees on the big piece.

All that does is potentially clog the list with a whole bunch of middle and low end picks. I'd rather keep pick 3. An A graded in the hand is worth more than picking needles in a haystack.

Freo can still draft Cam, Hill and Kersten. If GWS don't budge then he can sit out another year

 

[Cobbler]

All that does is potentially clog the list with a whole bunch of middle and low end picks. I'd rather keep pick 3. An A graded in the hand is worth more than picking needles in a haystack.

Freo can still draft Cam, Hill and Kersten. If GWS don't budge then he can sit out another year

Fair enough. Hency why I said not in our favour.

It ultimately depends on how the recruiters feel they want to go, but we've got rid of 10 players with a couple more potentially on the go.

Pick 3, 40, 58, 76 covers 4 spots!

No matter how we go with it, we'll need to be creative I think.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Fair enough. Hency why I said not in our favour.

It ultimately depends on how the recruiters feel they want to go, but we've got rid of 10 players with a couple more potentially on the go.

Pick 3, 40, 58, 76 covers 4 spots!

No matter how we go with it, we'll need to be creative I think.

Yep very creative otherwise well end up with having to pick up a number of players in the psd

 

[johnnomac]

Good to have you back.

All of the above are pretty realistic. My problem with them are each require a reasonable deal with (often) unreasonable people. Getting a pick back with the Hill, Ballantyne trades would be good for us.
Barlow may be a bit high.

I just have a feeling that if Kersten gets a contract offer from Geelong, he would take it. Same for Hamling. Hope I'm wrong.

The offer of a contract is one thing, but it would still be dependent upon the conditions. Surely he would also want some sort of guarantee that he would be played also. You would think that those latter two points would be something we could sell hard to him.

 

[mightymouse75]

Hoping to get a fourth rd for suban.

Suban is staying. Could he be captain next year?

 

[Cobbler]

First part of my prediction looks like falling into place. Freo and GWS both willing to explore the pick 3 downgrade option for McCarthy.

3 and 40 for 7 and 16 or 7, 31 and 33 are sort of deals I'm sure would've been floated.