Draft/Trade

[nicko016]

I'd be fairly happy with Carazzo for our 3rd round pick. If not what about a trade of Carazzo for Ackland?

Apart from trading for a quick midfielder who is going to make an immediate impact I don't think we will should trade to get any other players. But I think we should consider trading one or two of Brooks, Ferguson, Ackland, Schwarze and Fiora for draft picks. This would give us a few extra lowly draft picks which in this so called 'superdraft' could be worth much more. However, I would only get rid of one ruckmen in the offseason and look at drafting a ruckmen and some quickish midfielders.

Mad Saint Guy do you have any info on Selwood, Proud and Hislop? Are they explosively quick or just quick?

 

[Bourky23]

carrazzo would be good... he'd be able to play grammy's role and we could chuck grammy into the midfield

 

[St DAC]

Except he's about 5'2" tall and can't kick over a jam tin.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Except he's about 5'2" tall and can't kick over a jam tin.

He's actually 187cm (taller than Gram) and does have a decent kicking efficiency percentage,

 

[The Punter]

I think they should rename this board the "St Kilda supporters suffer Carlton supporters" board.

Hale for either Dal Santo or Montagna + 2nd Round pick isn't going to happen. Remember that this is not the trade happy professional sporting leagues of the USA. Trades don't happen very often, and last year is an example of that.

You have to give up something you are either willing to let go under the circumstances. I doubt St Kilda would give up Dal Santo for any ruckman in the league, even Dean Cox. David Hale is still unproven.

To the draft, I think Selwood would be a steal at #9, as his brothers are tough, tagging types who can get plenty of the footy themselves. I'll be doing cartwheels in my lounge if we get Selwood.

 

[lethalselbow]

Interested to know why most St Kilda fans think Blake is trade bait or a hack? I thought he looked alright, but i don't watch too many Saint games.

 

[Bourky23]

Interested to know why most St Kilda fans think Blake is trade bait or a hack? I thought he looked alright, but i don't watch too many Saint games.

haha obviously

 

[mark73]

Hale for either Dal Santo or Montagna + 2nd Round pick isn't going to happen. Remember that this is not the trade happy professional sporting leagues of the USA. Trades don't happen very often, and last year is an example of that.

Which is what I said.The point I was getting at is that that is what St.Kilda would have to look to be giving up for him if they were ultra keen.

You have to give up something you are either willing to let go under the circumstances. I doubt St Kilda would give up Dal Santo for any ruckman in the league, even Dean Cox.

Oh I think they would.Particularly for one who is still 22 and has a huge amount of upside to him, most of which is he has at least another 8-10 years in him.The ruck is a gaping hole at St.Kilda atm, they are using "band aid" options, but I would be very annoyed to see Hale traded.

David Hale is still unproven.

I would argue that.What I would say is that he still has a lot of improvement in him.People need to remember something about Hale.He was a bottom age player that was always going to need developing, but the skill and precision in his attributes was always there, even at 16.Hence being a top 10draft pick ala McIntosh.And on top of that is the versatility, of both he and McIntosh.Both of them are just as effective in front of goal.Most ruckman don't hit their straps until about 26, and by that time I assume Hale will be well within the top 3 in the comp, if he at that stage is our no.1 ruckman.By that stage if his general progress goes to plan, I wouldn't be surprised if Moran would be.And there is another one who can serve multiple purposes.

 

[Williams02]

U guys have been talking about picking up a ruckman....
Wat r ur thoughts on Laycock
Personally i rate him pretty highly but he is constently injured.
Although i think its pretty probable that he wont be playing for essendon next year... wat would u guys give up for him.. if u r interested at all of course.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Mad Saint Guy do you have any info on Selwood, Proud and Hislop? Are they explosively quick or just quick?

Proud: Very fast, highly skilled, strong inside midfielder. Is an absolute tank and will be playing AFL in his first season.

Selwood: Best clearance player in the draft (except for perhaps Gibbs), has extremely clean hands, a bit of pace, but kicking (while reliable) lacks penetration/power. Similar to Scott West, or even Luke Ball.

Hislop: Shoulder reco a bit of a worry, but has been likened to Lenny Hayes. Good all-round midfielder. Great kick, plenty of mongrel, not slow, gets lots of the ball.

Those three are the stand-out midfielders after Gibbs, and we're very fourtunate there are so many quality KPPs going early letting the midfielders slip.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

U guys have been talking about picking up a ruckman....
Wat r ur thoughts on Laycock
Personally i rate him pretty highly but he is constently injured.
Although i think its pretty probable that he wont be playing for essendon next year... wat would u guys give up for him.. if u r interested at all of course.

While I don't think we need another ok ruckman, if we were interested we'd probably offer any of Schwarze/Blake/Fiora.

 

[Williams02]

While I don't think we need another ok ruckman, if we were interested we'd probably offer any of Schwarze/Blake/Fiora.

Not enough.... surely

 

[nicko016]

Proud: Very fast, highly skilled, strong inside midfielder. Is an absolute tank and will be playing AFL in his first season.

Selwood: Best clearance player in the draft (except for perhaps Gibbs), has extremely clean hands, a bit of pace, but kicking (while reliable) lacks penetration/power. Similar to Scott West, or even Luke Ball.

Hislop: Shoulder reco a bit of a worry, but has been likened to Lenny Hayes. Good all-round midfielder. Great kick, plenty of mongrel, not slow, gets lots of the ball.

Those three are the stand-out midfielders after Gibbs, and we're very fourtunate there are so many quality KPPs going early letting the midfielders slip.

Thanks for posting this. I probably go for Proud just over Selwood, mainly because he has a lot of pace and good skills. Once Lenny comes back and Bally gets back to full fitness we should be right in the clearances. They are both predicted to be top 10 and hopefully at least 1 will be available. Hopefully too, Hislop can slip through to our second pick but not likely.

 

[Bourky23]

yeah i'd pick proud out of that group

 

[Kildonan]

U guys have been talking about picking up a ruckman....
Wat r ur thoughts on Laycock
Personally i rate him pretty highly but he is constently injured.
Although i think its pretty probable that he wont be playing for essendon next year... wat would u guys give up for him.. if u r interested at all of course.

Laycock is a similar type of player to Brooks - he can play in the ruck but he will take some time to become the main Ruckman and will have to hold down a key forward position to maintain his spot in the squad.

We probably would be better advised to target a first rate specialist ruckman or none at all.

 

[Invigoration]

What are you guys thinking will happen with Barry Brooks?
I always heard he was never in great favor with Thomas, and it's obviously shown only playing a handful of games in 5 seasons? (It has been 5 yeh?)

I've always liked the look of him and would hate to see him just slip away? Collingwood would be perfect for him, exactly what they need. His a ready made ruckman now, a good back up for Fraser. What would the Saints ask, obviously they wouldnt have much power to bargain from his football career so far, but enlighten me on what you guys think he would be worth

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

M Seaby, S Butler, M Rosa.

What would you offer for these guys?

Two things:

WC only have two ruckmen. Seaby is a player we need.

Butler is going to be a very good player. People at WC know that. He's 21 and is best 22. That's pretty impressive when you look at the quality we already have in our midfield.

What would you guys offer to persuade WC to part with the players mentioned?

 

[Kildonan]

Trade idea

I am impressed with a Sydney Reserves player, Tim Schmidt, who debuted this year (2 matches in total) in the AFL side. A midfielder in the reserves, he played wing for Sydney. This kid is one of the most immaculate kicks of a football that I have ever seen. He seems to get voted best for the Sydney reserves team almost every time he plays, frequently getting 30+, even 40+ possessions.

I wonder what they would want for him.

 

[KING-JAMES]

You guys might not like this one but i think its pretty even. I dont want to see Laycock go as i rate him very highly when he is fit an has all the potential in the world but he seems to be playing hardball with Essendon so how about

Pick 18 and Laycock for pick 9? You will get a quality ruckmen who is ready for senior football now and another pick. I have heard you cant trade priority picks but i also hear you can get permission from the AFL to.

 

[Saint Corin]

While it isn't a bad idea...

Laycock is another ruck/forward and a bit injury prone, I wouldn't call him a quality rucking option either really... He is playing silly buggers with essendon, wanting more money, and he hasn't earned it really, I don't wana spend money on him if it's going to put in danger keeping ot good group togeather.

 

[Kildonan]

Who thinks that St Kilda would be willing to trade their first pick?

What would we need to entice us to do so? A top 10 ruckman? a similar quality midfielder? A key defender?

I think we will retain our first pick. It would take a sweet deal to pry it out of our hands.

 

[nicko016]

A quality or really promising midfielder. One I'd consider is Steven Salopek.

 

[lethalselbow]

I think you'll find that every side will be retaining their first draft pick. The draft is so strong that you'd be mad to give it up.

 

[borderbarry]

I hope the Saints dont trade for players, only improved draft positions.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

As Spider is out of contract and Saints need a developed ruckman would St.Kilda consider getting him back now that Grant Thomas has gone as the main reason he left was bad blood with Thomas