List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[1990crow]

Milera - yes he is, to the right team. He's a chance to get through to us if Gold Coast don't want him at Pick 6. All reports suggest they want him pretty bad to replace Bennell.

Francis hasn't been 'hurt' that much in terms of his draft stock. I don't see how he'd get through to pick 9 really, but with Gold Coast not really keen on that type, Essendon supposedly focusing on mids and genuine talls (who knows if that's actually true), and Melbourne set to take Parish with Pick 3, it's looking increasingly like he'll fall to that 7-9 range (not including the academy picks). Surely Melbourne will take him at 7 or Carlton at 8 though you'd think. Unless he does a Wingard at the interviews of course...

Please do a Wingard Aaron.

So what you're saying is if Melbourne pass on him.. We get Francis at some point

At pick 9 that would be ridiculous, from everything I've seen he's a better player than Curnow, Parish, Milera and co. Could play next year.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

My thoughts at this stage...:

What we know for an iron clad 100% fact is that all 3 of Weitering, Schache and Parish will be off the board before our first pick, unless one of them snaps in half in the next 4 weeks. Obviously there'll be 5 other non-academy players also off the board before we select anyone, with Francis, Weideman, Milera, Curnow, Mathieson, Tucker and Balic among those most likely. Maybe someone like a Hibberd or C Oliver bolts into the top 10 too. You never know.

So, for Picks 9 and 13, I'd like us to get 2 of the following. Essentially this is my draft board, in order:

Francis - if available, you just have to take him - surely he'll go before 9 though, won't he?

Milera - if available and Francis is gone, we'll surely pull the trigger here, but looking increasingly likely to be gone unfortunately.

Curnow - if available and the two above are gone, I'm a fan. Tall mids are the future, and the closest thing we have to one is CEY who isn't in the same class as Curnow - again, likely to be gone, but a more realistic chance of falling than the other 2 IMO. Think J Kennedy (Syd) with a touch of Cripps and Stringer. Yum.

Tucker - my only question mark is his temperament - love his game and love the way it fits with what we already have and don't have. I've heard stories about him belting someone in the head on the field and potentially having a poor attitude. I don't know how accurate these reports are so please don't shoot the messenger. His game is top notch.

Burton - look it's a bit of a wild card pick, but I'm a fan. Again, reminds me of Stringer. Right down to the snapped leg dropping him from a sure fire top 3 pick. SA factor too. We are a club renowned for being excellent at developing forwards. I'm in.

C Oliver - see below

Mathieson - obviously these last 2 are pretty much inside mids which might raise alarms with the yearly cries of 'we don't need those', but with Danger gone, Thommo with 1 foot out the door and question marks over CEY and Lyons at the top level, plus B Crouch injury concerns, Dougie getting older, Sloane potentially better utilised in a running role than at the coal face, Kerridge gone, VB never to be seen at another stoppage again, I think we need to start thinking about recruiting one of these again, and Oliver and Mathieson are both excellent at what they do. Do we really need inside mids less than we need forwards? Interesting argument.

Hibberd - smashed the combine to pieces, is a great size, and has a looooong left peg. I get the feeling he'd be a great team man too. Quality unit who just tries his guts out.

Weideman - he'll probably be gone before 9 but this is where I have him. Doesn't really fit our needs, but should be a really solid AFL player. Leadership qualities and I believe he is actually a crows fan from Victoria.

Collins - gorilla key defender. He's an absolute lock to become a solid AFL player, but he might not be the 'type' of defender that we require. Mind you, I'd be far more comfortable with Collins in my Round 1 2017 side than Hartigan from a talent / footy smarts point of view, so he must at least be considered.

Bonner - the best field kick in the draft without a doubt, and can use it on both feet (so like, he's not David Mackay). Unfortunately, he's just not that great at anything besides actually kicking a footy at this point (Harrison Wigg says hi). Will never be an AFL midfielder, and we just recruited Seedsman and Hampton to fill the sort of utility role Bonner would be looking at, so from a list management point of view, I don't really see this happening. Would still consider despite these deficiencies, because the kicking is just so off the charts good though!

Essentially, we're guaranteed to have the opportunity to select 2 from that list. Obviously taking 2 different types of player is important, so you wouldn't pair Oliver with Mathieson or Weideman with Burton or anything like that. Something like Tucker and Burton would possibly make sense and they appear likely to be available at 9 and 13 respectively at this point, but there's still a lot of bolting and sliding to occur between now and draft day so you never quite know what will be available (until Emma Quayle tells everyone the day before the draft).

If rumours are to be believed, we appear to be strongly considering H McKay with one of the two picks, who I personally wouldn't be going near (I'd also avoid Balic out of the top 20ish prospects). I really don't know why we'd be going down the 200cm forward path. I mean, if he could genuinely play in the ruck as well as forward (a la Tippett) I'd be all for it because those players are a rare commodity, but he literally can't even ruck against 17 year olds, so I'm not sure what the point of getting what is essentially a Jenkins clone (tall, quick for his size, good on the lead, contested marking not a big strength, not a ruckman's arse hole) is. This, to me, would also be a clear indication that we've got somewhere between little and no hope that Harry Dear has a future at AFL level too. Who knows, maybe it's bullshit, or maybe a higher preference slides to us at 9 and McKay gets snapped up in between our picks or something.

Burton is also a full time forward, but at least he offers a point of difference. You simply can't play all of Jacobs, Jenkins, Tex and McKay in the same side. Ever. Burton could certainly fit in with those other 3 (even with Lynch thrown in the mix) IMO.

If there's some sort of 'trade Jenkins' plan, then McKay makes all kinds of sense with the way we play, but if Jenkins is going to be a long-term fixture in the side, then it's a no thanks to Harry from me.

Great post.

Really appreciate this sort of post from someone who has done their research. Would be great to see similar from others who are up to speed.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Not quick. Not a great kick. Said in an interview he'd love to stay in Melbourne.

No, no and no.

We already tried a Curnow. Let's not go down that path again.

Mmmm.....disagree

Charlie Curnow (3/2/1991. 191cm, 95kg. Geelong Falcons)

Tall forward/midfielder

AFL biography: Powerful tall forward/midfielder who is extremely athletic, strong overhead and dangerous near goals. Showed potential for the NAB AFL Academy against VFL opposition earlier this year before a dislocated knee kept him out of the NAB AFL Under-18 Championships. Returned to TAC Cup football with Geelong Falcons in the last four matches, kicking 13 goals and showcasing his potential as a marking forward. Brother of Carlton's Ed.

"When the AFL clubs came around at the start of the year - without knowing what was coming ahead - I said Charlie could potentially be the No. 1 pick. He won't be, because he missed the national championships and there are some fantastic kids around - but I haven't changed my mind that much. He's the youngest of five kids and a bit of a free spirit. He goes to uni and loves his surfing, but he has massive upside. He's a fantastic athlete - he has some unbelievable times under his belt on the athletics track and he's a good high jumper, but he's still learning how to use it on the footy field. We've had him play full-back, centre half-back, centre half-forward and full-forward for us, but at the start of the year when he was really fit we had him playing as a ruck rover. He's carrying a bit of puppy fat and freaks the clubs out a bit, but keep saying hang on, he's an 18-year-old kid. Once he gets to a club he'll knuckle down and work hard. He's got massive upside."

Michael Turner, Geelong Falcons talent manager

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[Mr MysteryGuest]

I know he's not eligible this year, but what positin does/would Ben Jarman play?

 

[lunacy]

I hope we look at Tom Templeton as a rookie. He has a nice blend of inside/outside mid qualities and could also play half forward/half back/wing.

I was hoping we'd rookie him last year.

http://way-cdn220-is-3.se.bponlinew...AFT_DM_TEMPLETON_WEB_S_2045762283__135923.mp4

 

[Alex99]

I know he's not eligible this year, but what positin does/would Ben Jarman play?

he will end up as a midfielder. Right now, he would be a half forward in the NAFC reserves or midfielder in the under 18's

 

[whattagun07]

Are there many credible Phantoms out yet?

Quayle? knightmare? Skippos? Cardrona?

Anyone sliding to 9 or 13?

 

[grundog49]

I reference people ....yes

I give my own opinons ....yes

But i don't try and pass myself off as having inside information about where each club recruiters rate a player .....that's just as bad as people with trade sources

Paige isn't a reliable source. Has been doing lots of other stuff. The most reliable person to quote or talk to is Chris25.

 

[grundog49]

I know he's not eligible this year, but what positin does/would Ben Jarman play?

Midfielder/half-forward/forward pocket.
Jackson Edwards in 2017 is promising.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Jackson Edwards in 2017 is promising.

Does his dad hate us?

 

[Alex99]

Does his dad hate us?

He did play for the crows in the slowdown. So, thats a start that his animosity is decreasing.

 

[baby back Bibs]

Does his dad hate us?

Pretty sure Jackson is a Gold Coast fan, which says a bit. Did Tyson get a gig elsewhere? Hopefully the family stays in Adelaide.

 

[hippyhippy]

does anyone think that curnow would be a happy crow considering his brother didnt make it with us? really dont think that would happen.

 

[huludicidal]

Are there many credible Phantoms out yet?

Quayle? knightmare? Skippos? Cardrona?

Anyone sliding to 9 or 13?

Phantoms are filled with guesswork at this stage of the game.

Emma Quayle gets her inside info in the days leading up to the draft from recruiters. It's not that she's this amazing judge of talent who magically predicts 16 of the top 20 picks in their correct positions because she is a God of recruiting, it's that she has a contact at most clubs who gives her a strong indication of who they do and don't like at their pick and she works it out from there. You won't see hers until 1 or 2 days before the draft though.

Skippos and Knightmare are really good at what they do, proven judges of talent, but at this point in time they probably don't really know for sure who is bolting and sliding. Educated guesswork based on late season form, past form, upside, injury concerns, whispers around the traps and perceived team needs is all anyone can go on for now.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

I hope we look at Tom Templeton as a rookie. He has a nice blend of inside/outside mid qualities and could also play half forward/half back/wing.

I was hoping we'd rookie him last year.

http://way-cdn220-is-3.se.bponlinew...AFT_DM_TEMPLETON_WEB_S_2045762283__135923.mp4

Yep, like the look of this guy…kind of a budget version of Brayden Maynard imo.

Def worth a rookie spot.

 

[Bicks]

I hope we look at Tom Templeton as a rookie. He has a nice blend of inside/outside mid qualities and could also play half forward/half back/wing.

I was hoping we'd rookie him last year.

http://way-cdn220-is-3.se.bponlinew...AFT_DM_TEMPLETON_WEB_S_2045762283__135923.mp4

You and me both, like you I had hoped we'd rookie him last year too, seen a fair bit of him over the last couple of years and he definitely has an AFL suited game, good pace, decent kick and as hard as a cat's head...and importantly loves to take the game on. Just don't think it would happen if we take a midfielder in the main draft. Yestin Eades is another local lad I'd be all over if he doesn't get drafted in the main draft...serious X factor.

 

[whattagun07]

so the draft is in Adelaide and I think I heard somewhere its free to attend?

seeing as we have two picks in the first round does anyone else think it would be cool to drum up some support down there and get a classy round of applause going for our selections? I reckon it could be a nice touch for our new players

Are tickets all gone? Or have they not been released yet..?

 

[scoota10]

I would go
Pick 9 Francis.... if gone Ah-Chee
Pick 13 Hipwood...if gone Collins

Rookies
1 or 2 of these
L.Jeffs, 192cm Running Mid
T.Keough, 191cm Defender
K.Agius 189cm Utility
B.Hardwick 181cm Goal Kicking F/Ward

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I would go
Pick 9 Francis.... if gone Ah-Chee
Pick 13 Hipwood...if gone Collins

Rookies
1 or 2 of these
L.Jeffs, 192cm Running Mid
T.Keough, 191cm Defender
K.Agius 189cm Utility
B.Hardwick 181cm Goal Kicking F/Ward

Isn't hipwood a Brisbane academy pick?

 

[headache1]

Isn't hipwood a Brisbane academy pick?

He certainly is.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Paige isn't a reliable source. Has been doing lots of other stuff. The most reliable person to quote or talk to is Chris25.

Do you really think so ......gee i find Chris's Phantom draft is never close at all ?

Paige IMO has been pretty good ....her drafts don't end up morphing to what everyone says

I'll admit though this year she has too many things going to be on top of it .....i'm mainly talking last few years

 

[Bicks]

An in depth insight warts and all into Darcy Tucker the footballer/draftee by Cal Twomey and the AFL Draft hub published today... to be followed in coming days by the same looking at Callum Ah Chee, Ryan Burton and Harley Balic. Great read and video etc.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...ut-darcy-tucker-cops-the-recruiters-blowtorch

Also Cal Twomey's Bio on Charlie Curnow published today.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-26/29-days-to-the-draft-meet-contested-beast-charlie-curnow

 

[Pugsley]

Are tickets all gone? Or have they not been released yet..?

Check with Ticketmaster.

 

[Bazil838]

I would rookie list Brad Hartman, was delisted during the year by Geelong, SA boy massive talent, made a few mistakes, was as good as Wingard as a kid, state basketball background, worth a second chance, Great player for Sturt before Geelong drafted him, don't think he handled away from home.

Also no one rates Snelling - 15 SANFL league games as a kid, not many juniors done that, Mickan rates him, Premiership player, U18 Captain in a good SA side, All Australian, I think he's gone under the radar.

 

[Captain Furious]

Mmmm.....disagree

Charlie Curnow (3/2/1991. 191cm, 95kg. Geelong Falcons)

Tall forward/midfielder



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But what do you disagree with? That he's not quick? Ran a 3.15 in the 20m sprint. That's pretty slow. That he's not a good kick? Doubt you'll find anyone that says otherwise. And that interview is there for everyone to see.

I'm not saying he won't turn out to be a good player, could well be, who knows. But he doesn't remotely fit the profile of what our club needs right now.