List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[grundog49]

That's why we will bid on hopper at 9. Guaranteed.

Hopper will be bid on by Essendon. Too good to be bid on at pick 9. Kennedy more likely.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Chris25
Ryan Burton (191cm, 90kg forward from North Adelaide)

This time last year, Burton was a top 10 pick and the best forward in the draft. But the broken leg has put a real dampener on things. He's a ridiculously good mark for someone his size and a genuine goal kicker. He was Jack Gunston like in 2014. I hope he plays some games before the draft, because I'm not convinced he is still drafted high otherwise. Huge bargain if his medical report is all good.

 

[ADL9798]

Channel 9 News Report on Ryan Burton:


At 192cm and 90kg Burton, 18, has been rated as a similar player to star Hawthorn forward Jack Gunston.

But while his strong marking and accurate kicking has been the hallmarks of his game, Burton has set his sights on becoming the next Nathan Fyfe — a player who played his junior football as a key forward before becoming a star AFL midfielder.

“I’d like to take that next step,’’ he said.

“I’ve been known more as a forward for the past three years but I played mainly as an on-baller before that.

“I look at Fyfe and (Collingwood’s) Scott Pendlebury, these types of players, and think I can be a similarly big-bodied midfielder.

http://m.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/a...416439278?sv=33e864b7cc57790615224b5a8c94ccfa

 

[SES SA]

I go the the same clinic that Liptak works for, first time went with one doctor there and he (not Liptak) was a stuck up idiot that did a bad job, 4 years later going to get my knees repaired again with a different doctor at the same clinic and he is great (so far lol).
So it's random what specialist you get and how good they are, even in the same clinic lol. But I here very good thingss about Liptak though...

I know that feel (or a similar one). I got my knee done twice at Sports Med. First surgery got done and my knee was the size of my quad. ****ed up, got the same surgery done a year later with a different surgeon and afterwards it was barely swollen. Hope your round two goes as well (hopefully a bit better, actually).

 

[SES SA]

Liptak did my knee a few weeks back, much better surgeon than crumber off the pack. Did a year or two as a locum down here and people can't speak highly enough of him

He had a good 93 and 96, although he should never have beaten Smart or Jarman for the B&F. Robert Shaw could get nothing right!

 

[Flip Side]

Ignoring academy selections....

Ok so I think that the first 7 picks are pretty well locked in to go in the first 7, although my order may not be correct.
Happy to hear other theories. Balic is the one I am most unsure about.



I have Carlton to go after Milera after that, as they have huge contested ball numbers but no outside class, and Milera shapes as a ready made replacement for Menzel. Milera fits two roles for the Blues as he can run on the wing and go forward and kick goals. I think they will use 8 on Milera because they will be worried about the Crows taking him at 8, and there are a few big forwards they can take at 11.

That leaves the following players for the Crows at 8. Whoever the Crows want with their two picks, the first selection is the one most at risk of selection from Carlton or Richmond. I would suggest that would be Burton or McKay. Carlton can afford to take a risk on either of those players with their picks. Not sure who Richmond are into, perhaps Tucker? Burton is mentioned by some. Maybe Ah Chee for the pace? Anyhow I like Burton at 8, and Oliver or McKay at 13.

Ryan Burton
Darcy Tucker
Rhys Mathieson
Callum Ah Chee
Jade Gresham
Kieran Collins
Harry McKay
Josh Dunkley
Riley Bonner
Clayton Oliver
Ryan Clarke
Mitchell Hibberd

With the influx of young outside players in the trade period Bonner seems way to outside for me. Ah Chee & Gresham are too small/light for me as a first rounder. Mathieson doesn't sound dynamic enough, maybe not fast enough as a mid? Tucker sounds a bit too similar to the guys we have traded in.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Hopper will be bid on by Essendon. Too good to be bid on at pick 9. Kennedy more likely.

Do they work from pick 1 down as far as bids go? And in what order do they roll out the academy kids in the bidding process? Random or estimate of best to worst?

My point was we will bid on hopper at 9 if no one else bids to ensure GWS have to use pick 10 on him rather than having a live pick at 10.

 

[ADL9798]

I'm thinking either of these could be our 2017/18 lineup if both 9 and 13 are developed well. I'm assuming we take one of Burton/Francis (if available) and one of Hibberd/Tucker. If we take Burton, I believe we'll plan to develop Menzel into a wingman.

With Burton:

B: Laird, Talia, Brown
HB: Smith, Lever, Hibberd/Tucker
C: Menzel, Sloane, Knight
HF: Burton, Walker, Lynch
F: Betts, Jenkins, Cameron
R: Jacobs, MCrouch, BCrouch
I/C: Hampton, CEY, O'Brien, Gore

With Francis:

B: Laird, Talia, Brown
HB: Francis, Lever, Hibberd/Tucker
C: Smith, Sloane, Knight
HF: Menzel, Walker, Lynch
F: Betts, Jenkins, Cameron
R: Jacobs, MCrouch, BCrouch
I/C: Hampton, CEY, O'Brien, Gore

Certainly like the balance of the 2nd team more.

FB: Brown Talia Cheney
HB: Francis Lever Laird
C: Douglas Thompson Smith
HF: Lynch Walker Menzel
FF: Betts Jenkins Cameron
Ruck: Jacobs B. Crouch Sloane
Int: Hampton M. Crouch Burton Knight

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Ignoring academy selections....

Ok so I think that the first 7 picks are pretty well locked in to go in the first 7, although my order may not be correct.
Happy to hear other theories. Balic is the one I am most unsure about.

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I have Carlton to go after Milera after that, as they have huge contested ball numbers but no outside class, and Milera shapes as a ready made replacement for Menzel. Milera fits two roles for the Blues as he can run on the wing and go forward and kick goals. I think they will use 8 on Milera because they will be worried about the Crows taking him at 8, and there are a few big forwards they can take at 11.

That leaves the following players for the Crows at 8. Whoever the Crows want with their two picks, the first selection is the one most at risk of selection from Carlton or Richmond. I would suggest that would be Burton or McKay. Carlton can afford to take a risk on either of those players with their picks. Not sure who Richmond are into, perhaps Tucker? Burton is mentioned by some. Maybe Ah Chee for the pace? Anyhow I like Burton at 8, and Oliver or McKay at 13.

Ryan Burton
Darcy Tucker
Rhys Mathieson
Callum Ah Chee
Jade Gresham
Kieran Collins
Harry McKay
Josh Dunkley
Riley Bonner
Clayton Oliver
Ryan Clarke
Mitchell Hibberd

With the influx of young outside players in the draft Bonner seems way to outside for me. Ah Chee & Gresham are too small/light for me as a first rounder.

Id be happy with burton and Oliver. Not that I know jack shit about these kids!

 

[Flip Side]

Id be happy with burton and Oliver. Not that I know jack shit about these kids!

Too right, I am just going off the snippets I have read, a bit of video and what I'd like to watch. It is a pretty important draft for the Crows though, and after the last couple of years it is fun to be able to speculate on players that are being debated in the mainstream media rather than hunting for smokeys.

 

[Flip Side]

Part 2 of the Darcy Tucker warts and all insight by the AFL draft hub...

Found it interesting that Adelaide was the only club that interviewed him twice at the Draft combine, looks like he's definitely on our radar when one of the questions at his 2nd interview included " whether I'd like to move to Adelaide?"....

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-...le-darcy-tucker-essendons-approach-stands-out

Do you think it is at all possible that the AFC asked every potential candidate from interstate "whether they'd like to move to Adelaide?".....

I would hope that is not an exceptional question to ask, or an indicator of strong interest.

 

[AusTerran]

I know that feel (or a similar one). I got my knee done twice at Sports Med. First surgery got done and my knee was the size of my quad. stuffed up, got the same surgery done a year later with a different surgeon and afterwards it was barely swollen. Hope your round two goes as well (hopefully a bit better, actually).

Thanks mate, Driving me nuts atm not being able to hardly walk (plus my poor wife having to put up with me lol). I had both knees done at once, got internal bleeding in both (right was bad) and took forever to heal lol. Just hope this time will get it right as I enjoy walking

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Do you think it is at all possible that the AFC asked every potential candidate from interstate "whether they'd like to move to Adelaide?".....

I would hope that is not an exceptional question to ask, or an indicator of strong interest.

They may only ask those kids where there is a strong chance we will select them.

 

[Stepover]

Do you think it is at all possible that the AFC asked every potential candidate from interstate "whether they'd like to move to Adelaide?".....

I would hope that is not an exceptional question to ask, or an indicator of strong interest.

Whether they would be willing to move to Adelaide is largely irrelevant, more importantly ask them if they already have a girlfriend!


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[Flip Side]

They may only ask those kids where there is a strong chance we will select them.

You would want to know the answer to that question to factor that in to whether they are a strong chance of being selected.

Otherwise why interview them?

Hence, every interview should contain that question, unless AFC are interviewing players they don't want to select.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

You would want to know the answer to that question to factor that in to whether they are a strong chance of being selected.

Otherwise why interview them?

Hence, every interview should contain that question, unless AFC are interviewing players they don't want to select.

well we had 2 interviews with him, so maybe that says more than the actual question itself

 

[Flip Side]

Whether they would be willing to move to Adelaide is largely irrelevant, more importantly ask them if they already have a girlfriend!


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or best friend, or extended family, or whatever their precious need is. AFC should set up a subsidiary to provide these things, rent a family, match a friend, hitch a wife etc.

 

[Flip Side]

well we had 2 interviews with him, so maybe that says more than the actual question itself

maybe so, maybe the AFC had doubts after interview 1, maybe they found out some information between interviews, maybe they really like him, maybe. But I was commenting on the question.

 

[Bicks]

Do you think it is at all possible that the AFC asked every potential candidate from interstate "whether they'd like to move to Adelaide?".....

I would hope that is not an exceptional question to ask, or an indicator of strong interest.

AFC was the only club that asked for a 2nd interview the following day after the 1st day giving him an absolute grilling, that would indicate a level of interest to me, also asked him to draw some game structures etc at his 2nd interview, that would also indicate a level of interest to me ...

"The second interview was about different topics, and whether I'd like to move to Adelaide. They also had me to draw some game structures."

Whoever Ogilvie and the team settle on I'll be backing in because their recent record at identifying young talent is first class, that along with having far better resources at their disposal to judge individual players than rank "amateurs" like us Big Footy eggspurts...

 

[Mismatched]

So does anyone know or reported what Burtons chances of a 100% recovery is like?

At least he was doing "some" testing at the combine ....good sign

I would say he is pretty close to no chance of a full recovery, fractures involving joints are bad, especially those involving such a major joint as the knee as there will be damage to cartilage/meniscus that is largely irreparable. He has essentially 100% chance of developing osteoarthritis in that knee and a very high chance of developing it at a young age, especially playing elite level AFL.

He may experience a very good recovery and return to close to normal function of the joint, but unlike fractures to the shaft of the bone, he's very unlikely to experience something resembling normal function. There's a few factors that will affect this, including the complexity of the fracture, how badly other structures in the joint were damaged, how difficult the surgery was and the skill of the surgeon, his adherence to recovery and the quality of his recovery program and then there's his own biological healing factors, amongst other things.

Anyway, I would say there's significant risk in drafting him and you'd certainly want a thorough medical review including up to date scans including MRI of the knee and surgeons reports. I'll back our doctors in to make the right decision, as they will no doubt be all over this and if we do pick him, I suspect that will be because they expect him to have a very good recovery of function.

 

[Flip Side]

AFC was the only club that asked for a 2nd interview the following day after the 1st day giving him an absolute grilling, that would indicate a level of interest to me, also asked him to draw some game structures etc at his 2nd interview, that would also indicate a level of interest to me ...

"The second interview was about different topics, and whether I'd like to move to Adelaide. They also had me to draw some game structures."

Whoever Ogilvie and the team settle on I'll be backing in because their recent record at identifying young talent is first class, that along with have far better resources at their disposal to judge individual players than rank "amateurs" like us Big Footy eggspurts...

We are in agreement that Ogilvie and the team have the runs on the board for first rounders and have faith that they will pick the right players.

 

[Captain Furious]

Preferred combination for me would be Francis and Tucker/Hibberd. Looking increasingly likely we'll get Tucker, going by that article. Would prefer Hibberd, but I'm fine with Tucker. He seems to have a bit of Seedsman about him except for being harder at the contest, though?

Wouldn't be happy using a 1st round pick on a half back flanker. Plus we already have a bunch.

 

[earlsta]

Reading between the lines I'd think we'd be getting Burton at 9 if he's available.
Just look at Jake Stringer in 2012 or Selwood in 06, even Lever last year.

Hopefully Burton's knee holds up okay, I trust our medical staff, this guy could become a total gun for us as we start to push for a flag in 2018+, could be the next fyfe.

 

[grundog49]

Reading between the lines I'd think we'd be getting Burton at 9 if he's available.
Just look at Jesse Stringer in 2012 or Selwood in 06, even Lever last year.

Hopefully Burton's knee holds up okay, I trust our medical staff, this guy could become a total gun for us as we start to push for a flag in 2018+, could be the next fyfe.

Its Jake Stringer. Burton will probably settle up forward switch on the bench with JJ allowing JJ to go in the ruck. Sort of like what hawthorn does when the have a ruck up forward e.g. hale.

 

[rezagun]

I have a feeling wel be going after a midfielder and a forward in the draft. If francis is still somehow there at 9 wel grab him and put him into a goddard type role.