List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Mismatched]

He'd be 2nd tall defender, a KPD position, if Talia or Hartigan go down. He's been retained because of his ability to play that role if/when required.

This is everyone's concern though, the list management seem to be happy classifying Otten as such, but in the past he's been shown to be a liability when marking up on strong marking forwards. He may be one of the next in line for a KPD role, should God forbid Talia, or even Hartigan go down, but that doesn't make it any more comforting.

It's a bit like in 2012, saying we had adequate cover for Jacobs because we had Jenkins and McKernan on the list.

Personally I think we'll be targeting a mature aged KPD in the rookie draft, although it wouldn't surprise either if we're keen on Collins in the first round.

 

[Doombs]

Too long between trade period ending and the draft. Shorten the length AFL. Could've got it done weeks ago.

Not when there's school and uni exams happening right now

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I just realised... pick 9 and pick 13

9 and 13

Sloane and Walker. Our two best players. All signs point to two guns

 

[grundog49]

I just realised... pick 9 and pick 13

9 and 13

Sloane and Walker. Our two best players. All signs point to two guns

Illuminati confirmed?

 

[spenze]

does anyone see similarities between Milera and Wingard?

Dunno, will have to wait and see Milera cry before I can give an opinion on that

 

[Ozzie]

Lol your the one stating Otten is a Key position defender!
It's like saying (our) Tom Lynch is a Key position forward

He is a third tall/rebounding defender fyi - do you get foxtel in Canberra? He did fill in as a part time second ruck/forward for half a season but you probably only know that because I told you last week!

Listen, you are wrong Otten has played plenty as a CHB over the years. He also has played at FF as well as part-time ruck . I would suggest you are the one who hasn't watched much Foxtel. He and Shaw have both played as KPDs in the past. Sometimes I think you just like to try and have a go at Vader. It must annoy you when he gets things right.

 

[WAG]

does anyone see similarities between Milera and Wingard?

I'm not sure. How many times does Milera run his fingers through his hair and watch himself on the big screen per game?

 

[azza77]

Reckon our preferences will be (if so called players are there)

Pick 9:
Francis
McKay
Milera
Oliver

Pick 13:
Milera
Oliver
Tucker
Ah Chee?
Hibberd
Burton
Bonner etc

 

[crowutopia]

Illuminati confirmed?

And 13 +9 = 22 a complete squad

 

[azza77]

Which team has 9 quality mids? None.

Which club only has 2 KPDs? Only us.

You know that team west coast? They have 2 KPDs, and they just made the GF without either of them.

 

[azza77]

Lol your the one stating Otten is a Key position defender!
It's like saying (our) Tom Lynch is a Key position forward

He is a third tall/rebounding defender fyi - do you get foxtel in Canberra? He did fill in as a part time second ruck/forward for half a season but you probably only know that because I told you last week!

Otten a rebounding defender?

Jesus I'd love to see the day he plays that role. Things must be pretty for the club if Otten is our rebounding defender.

 

[azza77]

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Seriously Vader, you have to stop classifying Otten and Shaw as KPD's.

Particularly Otten. He'd get destroyed and rag dolled by any half decent Key Forward. In fact he can't even contain the decent 3rd talls.

Say what you like, Otten and Shaw are on our list to plays as KPPs.

If Talia or Hartigan go down Lever moves up and these guys are the next in line.

These guys play 3rd tall when in the side because they aren't better than the next 2 guys ahead of them. Not because they're not actual key defenders. You do realise that most of the time a third tall is a resting ruckmen of sorts, and these guys aren't KPDs but are expected to play on these types?

We have 5 Key Defenders on our list. Talia, Hartigan, Lever, Shaw, Otten. Lever is capable in so many other areas of the game and often plays 3rd tall, but at the end of the day he's still a 'key defender'

 

[Captain Furious]

You know that team west coast? They have 2 KPDs, and they just made the GF without either of them.

Otten a rebounding defender?

Jesus I'd love to see the day he plays that role. Things must be pretty for the club if Otten is our rebounding defender.

Say what you like, Otten and Shaw are on our list to plays as KPPs.

If Talia or Hartigan go down Lever moves up and these guys are the next in line.

These guys play 3rd tall when in the side because they aren't better than the next 2 guys ahead of them. Not because they're not actual key defenders. You do realise that most of the time a third tall is a resting ruckmen of sorts, and these guys aren't KPDs but are expected to play on these types?

We have 5 Key Defenders on our list. Talia, Hartigan, Lever, Shaw, Otten. Lever is capable in so many other areas of the game and often plays 3rd tall, but at the end of the day he's still a 'key defender'

In 3 consecutive posts you've demonstrated a startling lack of knowledge of the game.

I'm glad you brought up West Coast (McGovern and Schofield will be very surprised to hear that neither of them played in the Grand Final) because they're an excellent case in point. When Brown, McKenzie and McGovern all went down during the season, they still had Schofield and Barrass to play. They have 5 defenders at 195cm or over. We have one.

The third tall is a resting ruckman? Ok. You might want to look that up or maybe watch some games. The third tall is not called third because they're not as good (that's kind of funny). They're generally shorter and more suited to rebounding, coming off their man, being third guy up etc. Josh Gibson is an excellent example of a third tall.

And Andy Otten has never played as a KPD. He's always been a rebounding defender and finished 2nd in the Rising Star in that role.

 

[Pdub]

Too long between trade period ending and the draft. Shorten the length AFL. Could've got it done weeks ago.

The wait is to let the kids finish school.

 

[dogs105]

Not when there's school and uni exams happening right now

Who cares about the kids? We need entertainment NOW!

 

[DangerSloane]

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Seriously Vader, you have to stop classifying Otten and Shaw as KPD's.

Particularly Otten. He'd get destroyed and rag dolled by any half decent Key Forward. In fact he can't even contain the decent 3rd talls.

Remember him on Gunston at AO 2 years ago?
I think Gunston kicked hawthorns first 3 and ended up with 5

 

[DangerSloane]

Listen, you are wrong Otten has played plenty as a CHB over the years. He also has played at FF as well as part-time ruck . I would suggest you are the one who hasn't watched much Foxtel. He and Shaw have both played as KPDs in the past. Sometimes I think you just like to try and have a go at Vader. It must annoy you when he gets things right.

Whether they have played there and CAN play there are two different things.
They have been used in those roles for small periods, but were found to be very much lacking in the areas required.

Otten just isnt a defender. You watch him forward and even though he cant kick he knows where to go.
In the backline hes like a dog chasing his tail.

 

[Bacon8]

Thanks. So it's mostly beneficial to place a bid if you know another team has a lot of spots on their list to fill. Still haven't completely figured out this system, so thanks for the clarification.

With no history, that's hard to quantify. This year, the academy clubs have spots to fill

Brisbane - 5
Gold Coast - 7
GWS - between 4&8
Syd - 6

I really hope clubs are honest and bid properly.

 

[Pdub]

With no history, that's hard to quantify. This year, the academy clubs have spots to fill

Brisbane - 5
Gold Coast - 7
GWS - between 4&8
Syd - 6

I really hope clubs are honest and bid properly.

I have a feeling any club who moved up the draft by trading late picks with the academy clubs, will not bid on any academy kids who belong to the club they traded with. But it won't be draft tampering, agreeing to accept unders in a trade to send a player home, now that is draft tampering.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Reckon our preferences will be (if so called players are there)

Pick 9:
Francis
McKay
Milera
Oliver

Pick 13:
Milera
Oliver
Tucker
Ah Chee?
Hibberd
Burton
Bonner etc

Yep I think those groups are pretty spot on , add Collins to the second group mix

Go against the grain and say the preference in the first group may be McKay Milera Francis Oliver

For some reason think we may end up with hibberd at 13

 

[Elite Crow]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-13...m=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed:+AFL+Latest+News

 

[Scorpus]

In 3 consecutive posts you've demonstrated a startling lack of knowledge of the game.

I'm glad you brought up West Coast (McGovern and Schofield will be very surprised to hear that neither of them played in the Grand Final) because they're an excellent case in point. When Brown, McKenzie and McGovern all went down during the season, they still had Schofield and Barrass to play. They have 5 defenders at 195cm or over. We have one.

195cm doesn't indicate a player is a KPD. We have three true KPDs: Lever, Talia and Hartigan.

We can pick up a decent KPD backup in the rookie draft, we don't need to use a round 1 pick on a KPD that will be behind Talia and Lever for the next 7 years.

In contrast we desperately need more midfield talent, and that's where our focus at the draft should be.

 

[Captain Furious]

Yep I think those groups are pretty spot on , add Collins to the second group mix

Go against the grain and say the preference in the first group may be McKay Milera Francis Oliver

For some reason think we may end up with hibberd at 13

I'm starting to think neither Francis or Milera will be around at 9 and only one of McKay and Oliver. With Essendon firming on Francis and GC on Milera, the only way one of them falls is if either go with Oliver last minute.

This seriously effects the second pick. If we end up with McKay, doubt the club will go with Burton. Two high risk forwards, probably not. In that case, the club really like Balic and Tucker. Hibberd would be a surprise but maybe not a bad one.

If Francis or Milera fall, Burton's probably worth a shot. Club has history taking punts on injured talents.

 

[Pdub]

Pdub's Phantom AFC Draft Edition One.


9: Wayne Milera.

Kicking 3 goals in the SANFL semi-final in his first game back after having heart surgery, against AFL-listed opponents, showed he is made of the right stuff.



His second goal is what shows his class and ability in traffic. Plus he is a crows supporter, have we ever picked up a crows supporter with our first pick?

13: Ryan Burton

Like Lever the previous year, the last time this guy entered a football field to play a game, he was expected to go top 5. His injury is a major concern, but taking risks like we did with Lever is what gives us the chance to fix the damage of the Tippett sanctions, taking risks we may not have taken in less desperate times. The risk is high, but the payoff is even higher. Sometimes you have to chuck it all on black if you want to be a premiership team.

 

[Draft Bored]

I'm starting to think neither Francis or Milera will be around at 9 and only one of McKay and Oliver. With Essendon firming on Francis and GC on Milera, the only way one of them falls is if either go with Oliver last minute.

This seriously effects the second pick. If we end up with McKay, doubt the club will go with Burton. Two high risk forwards, probably not. In that case, the club really like Balic and Tucker. Hibberd would be a surprise but maybe not a bad one.

If Francis or Milera fall, Burton's probably worth a shot. Club has history taking punts on injured talents.

How are Essendon firming on Francis? I think they're firming on Parish and Weidemann.