List Mgmt. Draft Watch 2015

[Vader]

On Himmelberg did we seriously believe GWS would match?

Would have been doubtful, given that they had already matched 2 bids, burning most of their higher draft picks in the process.

 

[Vader]

Which can surely be waived with Ryan's permission. If we go and speak to Liptak, and say "Hey Doc, we're looking at Ryan, what do you think?", he says "sorry, can't tell you, secret mens' business". Then we ask Ryan if he minds if the doctor tells us what he's said, and he declines... it's ringing alarm bells. If he is all clear, there's no way he would prevent us from talking to him.

As I said, the problem goes away if/when the player gives permission for the information to be released.

 

[baldandbroke]

So now the Draft Period performance of clubs is graded by the same people that did all the Phantom Drafts - and when a club goes against what they thought, they just mark you down ... if you got someone they ranked higher than the spot you got 'em, you get ranked up?

Wowsers.

The draft wrap up for 2014 Draft is always fun to look back on:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-27/draft-nights-big-winners-and-surprises

 

[BRL121]

Are you inferring that getting good marks in Year 12 subjects that have no correlation with Surgery - AT ALL - would make someone more preferable as a surgeon after they had studied Medicine ... than someone that got lesser marks in those irrelevant subjects in Year 12?

Wouldn't you only judge them as preferable on the skill they were going to perform?

Hell I would much rather the surgeon that was the best performing surgeon, rather than the surgeon that was good at Maths exams when he/she was 16 years old !!!

If you are correlating picking the best surgeon on their Year 12 marks - I reckon you need another analogy

I agree with Redleg Crow. Your first sentence doesn't follow from his remarks. Basically, he and I would prefer the inference of higher general intelligence implied by passing year 12 in our surgeons. Surgeons are not (just) plumbers, you know. However, it would be highly unlikely that someone who failed year 12 would ever qualify as a surgeon, anyway, unless he mended his Curnow/Carlisle/Bennell ways very smartly!

 

[Redleg Crow]

Are you inferring that getting good marks in Year 12 subjects that have no correlation with Surgery - AT ALL - would make someone more preferable as a surgeon after they had studied Medicine ... than someone that got lesser marks in those irrelevant subjects in Year 12?

Wouldn't you only judge them as preferable on the skill they were going to perform?

Hell I would much rather the surgeon that was the best performing surgeon, rather than the surgeon that was good at Maths exams when he/she was 16 years old !!!

If you are correlating picking the best surgeon on their Year 12 marks - I reckon you need another analogy

Yeah, ok I think you're getting a bit silly in your attempts to somehow take down a pretty off-hand analogy. It helps when you infer things that I didn't infer at all.

The point is if you fail Year 12 you don't get to even get into medicine at uni, let alone become a surgeon. But if by some chance you did it would be through studying at the Hollywood Upstairs Medical School like Dr Nick Riveira rather than by the person being some great bolter from nowhere who was useless at school but suddenly brilliant when studying medicine.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So now the Draft Period performance of clubs is graded by the same people that did all the Phantom Drafts - and when a club goes against what they thought, they just mark you down ... if you got someone they ranked higher than the spot you got 'em, you get ranked up?

Wowsers.

The draft wrap up for 2014 Draft is always fun to look back on:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-27/draft-nights-big-winners-and-surprises

This ......you get marked down because you didn't draft a popular Phantom name

So does Melbourne get marked up for drafting Oliver ? .....who most had in the mid 20's a month ago
What about Weideman who has kicked a total of 15 goals in 2 years .....and got deplorable testing results

What about GC for REACHING to draft Ah Chee at #6?

Or are we marked down due to fact no-one knew him?

As always retrospective drafts prove how inaccurate the original drafts always are

 

[baldandbroke]

Yeah, ok I think you're getting a bit silly in your attempts to somehow take down a pretty off-hand analogy. It helps when you infer things that I didn't infer at all.

The point is if you fail Year 12 you don't get to even get into medicine at uni, let alone become a surgeon. But if by some chance you did it would be through studying at the Hollywood Upstairs Medical School like Dr Nick Riveira rather than by the person being some great bolter from nowhere who was useless at school but suddenly brilliant when studying medicine.

I don't care that much - but you rate Doedee on the Year 12 scale as a failure, compared to the other draftees that got 99.3 or whatever it takes to get into medicine nowadays.

I just don't follow the analogy, it doesn't seem to work in anyway at all

Maybe this is closer ... if you were looking for someone to manage your business and chose between a kid that got a great mark in Economics in Year 12 and did a Bachelor Degree of Business at Uni, compared with someone who scraped into TAFE and did a Cert III in Business. You can tell 3/5's of eff-all from how they will go running a business from their marks in year 12.

 

[Redleg Crow]

I don't care that much - but you rate Doedee on the Year 12 scale as a failure, compared to the other draftees that got 99.3 or whatever it takes to get into medicine nowadays.
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Oh FFS no I don't and nowhere have I said as much. But yeah, go ahead, make up sh*t if that's what you need to do.

 

[ADL9798]

Geelong's picks were 59, 66, 69 and 70. I have a feeling their trade week splurge isn't going to get the short term success they're hoping for and is going to cost them in the long run.

But Stephen Wells is a genius who has nailed every draft for the last decade. None of the other 17 recruiters have a clue what they're doing so in reality those 4 picks are more like 9, 16, 19 and 20.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Geelong's picks were 59, 66, 69 and 70. I have a feeling their trade week splurge isn't going to get the short term success they're hoping for and is going to cost them in the long run.

Those late picks will, along with retirements end of 2016, seriously weaken their list

PLUS

No first round pick next year

 

[fabs33]

Those late picks will, along with retirements end of 2016, seriously weaken their list

PLUS

No first round pick next year

I'd forgotten about that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

So now that it's all said and done Milera is part of the Dangerfield trade.

Bottom line:

Out: Dangerfield, Kerridge, Pick 50 (was it 50???)
In: Menzel, Milera, Gore

With projection of the type of players these would turn into, it ain't too shabby!

 

[Redleg Crow]

So now that it's all said and done Milera is part of the Dangerfield trade.

Bottom line:

Out: Dangerfield, Kerridge, Pick 50 (was it 50???)
In: Menzel, Milera, Gore

With projection of the type of players these would turn into, it ain't too shabby!

That is a very nice result.

 

[FAITH]

So now that it's all said and done Milera is part of the Dangerfield trade.

Bottom line:

Out: Dangerfield, Kerridge, Pick 50 (was it 50???)
In: Menzel, Milera, Gore

With projection of the type of players these would turn into, it ain't too shabby!

did very well, trading danger will hurt in the short term but long term it will turn out to be for the best.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Check SEN1116 website for the audio when uploaded later today

 

[Redleg Crow]

Talent manager from Geelong Falcons on 5AA soonish

 

[NTRabbit]

On Himmelberg did we seriously believe GWS would match?

The team at the table were clearly dead certain GWS weren't going to match, sending Pyke running up to the stage just to fake GWS out would be too much pageantry

 

[WaynesWorld19]

listen to this on Audioboo

 

[Scorpus]

On Himmelberg did we seriously believe GWS would match?

We probably thought Essendon would bid on Hopper at Pick 5, reducing their remaining currency.

What's odd is we didn't bid on Kennedy at 11, forcing GWS to use more currency.

If we bid on Kennedy at 11, and then Hopper was bid on at 5, we probably would have landed Himmelberg

 

[Redleg Crow]

Pointless interview on AA with Noble.

 

[morris086]

But Stephen Wells is a genius who has nailed every draft for the last decade. None of the other 17 recruiters have a clue what they're doing so in reality those 4 picks are more like 9, 16, 19 and 20.

Wells is the reason the Cats have won the last three premiersh- wait...

 

[Bicks]

Wells is the reason the Cats have won the last three premiersh- wait...

And Gary Buckenara the reason the Hawks won the last 3 Premierships left at the end of July and now works locally here in Ballarat as talent manager for the North Ballarat Roosters - wait....

 

[dogs105]

Would have been doubtful, given that they had already matched 2 bids, burning most of their higher draft picks in the process.

But that makes it more likely. Rather give up 55 60 and 70 to match than 30.

 

[TheVelourFog]

So now the Draft Period performance of clubs is graded by the same people that did all the Phantom Drafts - and when a club goes against what they thought, they just mark you down ... if you got someone they ranked higher than the spot you got 'em, you get ranked up?

Wowsers.

The draft wrap up for 2014 Draft is always fun to look back on:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-11-27/draft-nights-big-winners-and-surprises

I really wish I could find the thread from the 2006 draft on Big Footy where posters discussed their winners and losers and everyone said Essendon smashed it when they picked up the heavily fancied players in Gumbleton, Jetta, Hislop, Davey, Houli and Reimers. Hindsight shows that they were losers and in a massive way. Most of the time people making calls this early only really end up looking stupid.

 

[Mego Red]

im not slamming the decision, I just would like to know why burton was overlooked.

Who said Burton was overlooked? We just rated another player higher. Doesn't necessarily mean anything other than that.