Draft whispers, rumours & scuttlebut

[tizzay7]

That isn't right. It can go

Melbourne has pick 3 and bids on Mills forcing Sydney to match
Melbourne now has pick 4 and uses that to bid on Hooper forcing GWS to match
Melbourne now has pick 5 and uses that to bid on Kennedy forcing GWS to match
Melbourne now has pick 6 and uses that to bid on Hipwood forcing Brisbane to match
Melbourne now has pick 7 and uses that to bid on Keays forcing Brisbane to match
Melbourne now has pick 8 whom they can use on the same person they were originally intending to get at pick 3.

Oh right. No worries. I suppose when i was dreaming up my utopia yesterday that sort of somehow filtered through to my reality. Thanks brain.

 

[BPikkers]

*using it as an excuse since.

It's not like he was any good before he broke his leg either.

You are kidding

 

[TwentyNine]

The slide would obviously be is there are ??? on the ankle but Carlton take a punt considering we have 3 picks in the top 11 and we see his upside .......

Possibly but still unlikely. One of the conditions of the question you asked is that he "gets the ankle right". If we're making the assumption that he will come good injury wise (which I think he will), then I think we also have to make the assumption that he won't be available at pick 8. I don't see Curnow or Weideman being available by Carlton's second pick, which is one of the main reasons Schache appeals more to me for their position.

 

[TwentyNine]

You are kidding

His career averages are essentially the same as they were before his broken leg. People will say that he's not a gun because he broke his leg, but the reality is he's not a gun because he's just not that good - especially when you consider he was a no. 6 draft pick.

 

[Max zero]

in theory melbourne could do this but they never would. the AFL published a statement about bidding like this a few weeks ago. they will come down very hard on unrealistic bidding and consider it draft tampering. assume they would be banned from the draft for a few years for an obvious breach like this one.

What's unrealistic about it?

If it's a overbid they can just let Melbourne overpay for a weaker player.

Sounds more like you are afraid your free hit might not be so free.

 

[The Facepainter]

I just heard a rumour that Weitering will slide to our first pick (26).

Darling went that far didn't he?

 

[markm106]

Weideman did some testing and doesn't seem the results were great. 12.4 beep and 3.20 for 20m. Happy to take Curnow at 3. Then hope Parish or Oliver slide to 7. Parish unlikely but has been word from Brett Anderson is Parish could slide to 7.

 

[Suma Magic]

You can't really over-bid, as you have to pick the player if not matched.

Think non-bidding a much bigger issue. Be interesting if Academy clubs bid on each other and clubs involved in trades with academy clubs. Wouldn't be surprised if all decided that academy players "weren't best available".

 

[The Facepainter]

Brett Anderson believes there's a good chance Dees and maybe even Dons overlook Parish... if he got past Bombers pick 5 then surely no way Dees and Suns let him go. If he slid to Blues at 8 (to become 11) I would rightly lose it.

Tissue please

 

[Cleric]

Looking more likely that both SA kids the Crows want with their first pick, Francis and Milera, will be gone by our pick 9.
Hopefully they dont pick McKay.

 

[tizzay7]

His career averages are essentially the same as they were before his broken leg. People will say that he's not a gun because he broke his leg, but the reality is he's not a gun because he's just not that good - especially when you consider he was a no. 6 draft pick.

He was on the rise before the broken leg and its taken him some time to get right. Slowly but surley he is getting better. Its like he started as a fresh 18 year old after the leg break.
If gaz was playing for your mob he would easily be in your best 18 and you would be frothing at the mouth over him.

 

[Ticky009]

You can't really over-bid, as you have to pick the player if not matched.

Think non-bidding a much bigger issue. Be interesting if Academy clubs bid on each other and clubs involved in trades with academy clubs. Wouldn't be surprised if all decided that academy players "weren't best available".

Gold Coast can and more than likely will bid on academy players. They have none marked for high bids of their own in this years crop, and can therefore use their picks to choose best available.

 

[Suma Magic]

Gold Coast can and more than likely will bid on academy players. They have none marked for high bids of their own in this years crop, and can therefore use their picks to choose best available.

Good point. Available picks is one element, and probably the most important element this year given the strategies of the other three teams.

But Gold Coast may choose to not bid, either because:
- an academy player isn't best available, or
- they want to not set a precedent of academy teams bidding on each other's players.

 

[HBF]

Ben McKay will be at Ikon Park on Friday, sounds like we are pretty keen on him (possibly at #19?)

Obviously depending on how things play out with #8 and #11.

Do you know if Harry is on our radar at all?

 

[coryne]

Worst case crows will bid on a gws at #9 as 1) They have not dealt with the gws so any handshake deals are unlikely to have occurred and 2) it will take their #10 selection out of the draft so the crows pick moves up a spot. I expect bids to come earlier but the idea that the gws will use #10 on a non academy kid is crazy and the whole argument falls apart.

 

[Apex36]

Weideman ran 3.14 20m sprint & 12.4 beep test today. Not great.

Not sure what they expected from a kid who's been out with stress fractures in his feet for half a season...

 

[GrommoT]

It's a bad idea, not for just the reason you outlined, but because Victoria has 10 teams they'd need to divide talent between whilst SA and WA have 2 each. It would disadvantage pretty much everyone except the Adelaide and Perth teams.

Ridiculous idea - the SA teams get to draft 1 x U/18 player each from outside SA while 16 other teams get to draft 1 x U/18 player each from SA?

We might go for it if we get to choose the top 6 SA players amongst ourselves first.

Actually, the same issue would apply to the WA/northern teams.

 

[Apex36]

Ridiculous idea - the SA teams get to draft 1 x U/18 player each from outside SA while 16 other teams get to draft 1 x U/18 player each from SA?

We might go for it if we get to choose the top 6 SA players amongst ourselves first.

Actually, the same issue would apply to the WA/northern teams.

True. So we're agreeing it's a terrible idea all round then

 

[doona]

this years crop.

Is the operative sentence. Next year they have Academy players and the Swans do not. Its cycles.

It is draft tampering in a way, but I cant see Academy clubs bidding on a player.

 

[Calcium Man]

and the best available would just happen to be 5 academy players in a row?

It almost would this year. Mills, Hopper and Kennedy are easy picks 3, 4 and 5 IMO. Bigger then Parish, actual mids unlike Francis and no injury worries like Curnow and Weiderman.

Hipwood at 200cm with his athleticism could easy comand between 5-10.

Keays might be the only over bid but at 8 your starting to come into his worth.

Reality is if a club bids on the player then Academy clubs are well within their right to not match it.

It is not exactly within the spirit of the academy system though is it.

It's wasn't really within the spirit either to sell your picks so you effectively get Mills for a couple of picks in 40's. Problem is now you've shown your hand that you'll bid no matter what, there is no option not to match a bid.

The dees should make it hurt a little for you guys to pick up academy players.

 

[Mitchell19]

It is not exactly within the spirit of the academy system though is it.

But SURELY if they "over bid" Syd/GWS/Bri whoever, let them waste their pick 3 on said player. I doubt Dees are going to use pick 3 on a player they don't REALLY want!?

 

[blueiris]

Is the operative sentence. Next year they have Academy players and the Swans do not. Its cycles.

It is draft tampering in a way, but I cant see Academy clubs bidding on a player.

I couldn't see why if we had of had pick 3 we wouldn't have bid on another teams Academy player but their are 2 standout players in this draft and were unlikely to miss out on Schache or Wietering at 2 well maybe Wietering we really don't need him

 

[doona]

I couldn't see why if we had of had pick 3 we wouldn't have bid on another teams Academy player but their are 2 standout players in this draft and were unlikely to miss out on Schache or Wietering at 2 well maybe Wietering we really don't need him

Your team wants Schache, if you finished last he would be pick 1. Wietering 2.

Personally I disagree with you. I could never see an academy team placing a bid on another academy player. It is draft tampering, but, until it happens (which I dont think it will), the academy clubs are in on it and its impossible to prove.

 

[Nahas2Waite]

This week's lotto numbers?

27 hasn't come out for awhile.

 

[Yoda_]

Kieran Collins WILL be gone by Hawthorns pick 15. More than likely before hand.. Interviewed numerous times by the clubs in that 10 - 15 range this week.