Draft

[audas]

Theres been a lot of talk around here about the draft, seems like its all anyones got to look forward to and fair enough. (Wayne Fing Jackson). People have even ben laying out some fairly complicated selections based on finishing 1st last or 2nd last. (I phrase it like that so it sounds like we could win something). My hat isoff to these people as it certainly sounds like they know there stuff, or is it that they just heard about some young gun through the grape vine ? Either way you people know more than me. My question is are these recruits the best footballers or are they what we need. I have a feeling that we are not looking to gain any real talent in the midfield, smaller running type, in and under players. The days of Diesel, Ratts, Bradley long (list there people) are not being revisited. We have a lot of medium to tall rakes, and some fast small duds. I really can not see where we are going to find the things that our team desperately needs, a couple of SOLID AGILE big men (allthough we have this new ruck and whatever the guys name was in the magoos), and some SERIOUSLY tough and skilfull running men. I havent seen any discussion on the smaller brigade and our approach to this area has been woefull. Glascot, brown, fraser, plunkett, hulme etc. I now hear people considering dropping Stevens, trading campo and with Kouta gone were left with waite (long handle rake) and Walker (rake with shoulder pads). None of these players has any of the mettle of players like Judd, mcloud or voss. These players are not merely skillfull, krakour was skillfull, they are really tough and intimidating through their mettle. This inner character. These are what we need to recruit, blokes with heads.
So to all you under eighteen, rookie buffs, where are these blokes to be found. Maybe we need a phsycologist on the recruiting staff. Is there a decent phsyc test at carlton. (Seeings the lost dogs home has better facilities probably not).
What do you think, how about some sideways thinking rather than the same old.

 

[Funkalicous]

It's a fair question. Although, you'll get a different response from each supporter regarding who we should get in the draft and what we need. Personally, I'm only interested in players we need.

I've said it before, but I would take Shannon Hurn with our pp and Mitch Clarke (if available) with our 1st rounder. Hurn is the tough, accountable midfielder that we lack. He plays a lot like Mark Riccuito and would have an immediate impact on our side. I seriously don't want another outside player! If we get Hurn, he'll bring all our outside players into the game and lookout, we'll have a midfield .

Clarke plays mostly as a CHF, but can also help out in the ruck. We suck in both areas, so this'll be like killing two birds with one stone. He's a super talent too and very deserving of a top 3 draft pick.

 

[Muji]

yeah good point funky! Lets get Hurny, but either way i wouldnt mind either of them..
both better looking players from last years draft

 

[HBF]

It's a fair question. Although, you'll get a different response from each supporter regarding who we should get in the draft and what we need. Personally, I'm only interested in players we need.

I've said it before, but I would take Shannon Hurn with our pp and Mitch Clarke (if available) with our 1st rounder. Hurn is the tough, accountable midfielder that we lack. He plays a lot like Mark Riccuito and would have an immediate impact on our side. I seriously don't want another outside player! If we get Hurn, he'll bring all our outside players into the game and lookout, we'll have a midfield .

Clarke plays mostly as a CHF, but can also help out in the ruck. We suck in both areas, so this'll be like killing two birds with one stone. He's a super talent too and very deserving of a top 3 draft pick.

Hey Funky, you seem to have a pretty good handle on whats happening with the kids this year.

For arguments sake, lets say that Hawthorn finish last and we finish second last, both with priority picks. Could you have a guess at who would go where?

 

[Funkalicous]

Hey Funky, you seem to have a pretty good handle on whats happening with the kids this year.

For arguments sake, lets say that Hawthorn finish last and we finish second last, both with priority picks. Could you have a guess at who would go where?

Sure.

pick 1: Hawthorn - Clarke (would bet my house they go for him.)
pick 2: Carlton - Hurn
pick 3: Hawthorn - Ellis (they won't take another tall and Ellis would be the best running midfielder in the draft ATM)
pick 4: Carlton - Dowler

I actually reckon it's easier to predict who Hawthorn would take rather than Carlton. I think Hawthorn have made up their mind with Clarke and only we (winning the spoon and taking Clarke over Hurn) could stop him from getting there. FWIW, if the draft panned out like that, I would rate our combo better than theirs. And I definitely rate Hurn > Clarke.

 

[big_sav]

why would they draft another forward when they got franklin and roughhead last year with their top picks

 

[Silvagnis]

Clark will be the kid everyone will chase in a shallow draft and their are doubts over Hurn's pace.

 

[blues4flag]

Is Clarke capable of playing down back?

 

[Funkalicous]

Is Clarke capable of playing down back?

If we want a backman we should take Marcus Drum. But to answer your question, no. Clarke is a CHF/Ruckman.

 

[The Knowledge]

It's a fair question. Although, you'll get a different response from each supporter regarding who we should get in the draft and what we need. Personally, I'm only interested in players we need.

I've said it before, but I would take Shannon Hurn with our pp and Mitch Clarke (if available) with our 1st rounder. Hurn is the tough, accountable midfielder that we lack. He plays a lot like Mark Riccuito and would have an immediate impact on our side. I seriously don't want another outside player! If we get Hurn, he'll bring all our outside players into the game and lookout, we'll have a midfield .

Clarke plays mostly as a CHF, but can also help out in the ruck. We suck in both areas, so this'll be like killing two birds with one stone. He's a super talent too and very deserving of a top 3 draft pick.

just out of curiostiy funkman, who would you say in Carltons midfield - is a) an indsider and b) an outsider??

also where do you see the weakness of Carlton at the moment - i definatly see a weakness in the midfield, but I dont see it in Hardball gets - ie/ why do yuo so badly want that inside guy?

you need a ruckman bigtime, that new guy (Bryan) is a good ruckmen around the g4round, but in terms of his tapping ability is ordinary!? hed be good as a backup though

 

[Allen's Blues]

just out of curiostiy funkman, who would you say in Carltons midfield - is a) an indsider and b) an outsider??

also where do you see the weakness of Carlton at the moment - i definatly see a weakness in the midfield, but I dont see it in Hardball gets - ie/ why do yuo so badly want that inside guy?

you need a ruckman bigtime, that new guy (Bryan) is a good ruckmen around the g4round, but in terms of his tapping ability is ordinary!? hed be good as a backup though

Until injury, Barnaby was one of the best ruckman in the competition, we have French, Bryan and Deluca, i thought your name was "knowledge," do some research before making your next post.

 

[Allen's Blues]

If we want a backman we should take Marcus Drum. But to answer your question, no. Clarke is a CHF/Ruckman.

How high will Drum be likely to go in the draft? I went to school with him and noticed he is getting in the best most weeks for the bushies. Will he be a high draft pick?

 

[HBF]

Sure.

pick 1: Hawthorn - Clarke (would bet my house they go for him.)
pick 2: Carlton - Hurn
pick 3: Hawthorn - Ellis (they won't take another tall and Ellis would be the best running midfielder in the draft ATM)
pick 4: Carlton - Dowler

I actually reckon it's easier to predict who Hawthorn would take rather than Carlton. I think Hawthorn have made up their mind with Clarke and only we (winning the spoon and taking Clarke over Hurn) could stop him from getting there. FWIW, if the draft panned out like that, I would rate our combo better than theirs. And I definitely rate Hurn > Clarke.

Thanks Funky.

From what i've read on these boards, Hurn is similar to Hodge and Dowler has been likened to Riewoldt. Any more info on these boys would be great.

 

[The Knowledge]

Until injury, Barnaby was one of the best ruckman in the competition, we have French, Bryan and Deluca, i thought your name was "knowledge," do some research before making your next post.

OK tool Ill do hours of research before i make a post next time. Your right Barnaby had played all right this year....definatly not one of the best, but alot better than he had played in previous years......

The fact is I dont know much about Carlton, I havent seen them play much, when I have OBVIOUSLY is after Barnaby was injured and their weakness in the ruck was exposed....thats why I was asking my mate, who knows a ********load more than you, about things down there!

 

[Kooley]

OK tool Ill do hours of research before i make a post next time. Your right Barnaby had played all right this year....definatly not one of the best, but alot better than he had played in previous years......

The fact is I dont know much about Carlton, I havent seen them play much, when I have OBVIOUSLY is after Barnaby was injured and their weakness in the ruck was exposed....thats why I was asking my mate, who knows a ********load more than you, about things down there!

I tend to agree with you. French has improved but I don't rate him in the top half a dozen rucks in the competition.. As far as DeLuca is concerned, he still has a long way to go and has yet to really indicate whether he can cut it as a ruckman at this level. Bryan is the x-factor. He could really come on in the leaps and bounds or stagnate. Whether he has the height and strength to go with the big boys in questionable.

 

[Funkalicous]

just out of curiostiy funkman, who would you say in Carltons midfield - is a) an indsider and b) an outsider??

Well I think it's fair to say we have the worst crop of insider players in the game. We have Kouta (thank God) who I think is still the number 1 hard-ball winner this year. Although I admire his courage, he doesn't seem able to play out a whole match. His eventual retirement will leave a huge gap in the centre square. Then there's Johnson who reads the play well, but otherwise lacks talent. I highly doubt he'll still be around in 2 years. The last player is Bentick. I rate him, Pagan doesn't. He's played nearly the whole season for the Bullants.

That's 3 inside players. One's 32 yo, one's crap, and one doesn't get a game. Should we hit the panic button? ... Never mind, I'm waayy ahead of ya.

Outside midfielders.... Here we go. Stevens, Camporeale, Lappin, Scotland, Houlihan, McGrath, Chambers, Walker, Simpson. Can they kick well? Yes. Are they tough? NO! Are they accountable? NO! Are they fast? Not really.

Weigh up the entire midfield and you get a soft, accountable group that can't win the ball.

also where do you see the weakness of Carlton at the moment - i definatly see a weakness in the midfield, but I dont see it in Hardball gets - ie/ why do yuo so badly want that inside guy?

Weaknesses: Inside players, second efforts, team-work, defence, accountability and dicision making.

Why I want Hurn. Not to be the mesiah or anything. I'm not expecting a Chris Judd impact from him. Not by any means. But you look at certain sides, and you notice that many brilliant passages of play starts with one man. Examples are Riccuito, West, Voss, ect... Those players are rarer than you think. It takes a certain frame (or mind and body) to play like that. Hurn is 188cms and 92kgs! That's a big kid! He loves to lead his midfield. He thrives on it! Our midfield doesn't have a leader at the momment. Once we get a midfielder like that, he'll bring our outside players into the game more. It's all about balance...

you need a ruckman bigtime, that new guy (Bryan) is a good ruckmen around the g4round, but in terms of his tapping ability is ordinary!? hed be good as a backup though

Bryan's a bit skinny to play in the ruck ATM. That's understandable though. Hopefully Carlton can put the pounds on him and make him a more complete ruckman.

 

[Funkalicous]

How high will Drum be likely to go in the draft? I went to school with him and noticed he is getting in the best most weeks for the bushies. Will he be a high draft pick?

I'm thinking Drum will go around the 8-10 mark, which is awkward for us. He doesn't really deserve a top 3 pick, nor do I think he'll be around for our 2nd round choice. So unless we trade into the first round (Lance anyone?) he probably won't come to Carlton...

We could really use him though....

 

[mojo31]

I'm thinking Drum will go around the 8-10 mark, which is awkward for us. He doesn't really deserve a top 3 pick, nor do I think he'll be around for our 2nd round choice. So unless we trade into the first round (Lance anyone?) he probably won't come to Carlton...

We could really use him though....

If we are going to cut most of the recycled players (Clarke, Bowyer etc) then we need some replacements who are ready to play next year. It seems Hurn and Drum are up to the challenge straight away and wont need 1 or 2 years in the reserves and pre seasons to build up.
We need to be competitive so the youngsters dont get smashed. Drum seems likely to go in the top 10 after Calrke, Hurn, Ellis and a few others.
Carlton and Hawthrorn look like sharing the first 4 picks then Collingwood, Essendon look like the next 2 so clubs after that Bulldogs, Freo(?) would be where we need to trade Lance to get there first pick and access to Drum.

 

[grugman]

I think you carlton boys should try and snag a boy named SAM ELLIOTT, would add strength and stamina to your somewhat average midfield, his size might see him drop down a little in the draft, but his ball getting skills and toughness around the packs is second to none. Im not sure how high this lad will go but i think he would be worth taking a punt on with a 1st round pick.

 

[Silvagnis]

FYI our first round pick will be number 2 or 3 so no to drafting elliott with it. But maybe with a late first round if we can get one for Lance or Houlihan and we miss on Hurn.But Carlton should go tall with most of their picks if there isn't much difference between the quality of player available.