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Quicky said:
I think we have a strong list, but no longer any depth. It would be stronger and bat deeper if we hadn't stuffed our contracts up. Our one glaring weakness is key forward, so that's certainly reflected in our playing list.
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To think we could have drafted Naughton instead of Stephenson!
 
Apex36 said:
Not sure how you can criticise Hine for Stephenson or Phillips. His job is talent ID and he nailed those two, not his fault that the club (Guy) mismanaged the cap so badly for the past few years that they had to be traded for peanuts. And he netted us DeGoey and Crisp for Beams. The cost to bring Beams back also lands on Guy. Lastly, Daicos was selected in the open draft, so whilst he is a FS player, he was selected in the same way Phillips was, in that everyone else passed on him, so it’s unfair to say Hine’s talent ID had no bearing there.
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They were still viewed as expendable and not worthy of big contracts or we would have moved others... for the record I do agree they were good picks though. At pick 6 you hope to make a good pick majority of the time
 

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SchuPie said:
100% w you on Moore
Has to be our next captain

Given the right price I’m open to trading anyone
I’d want something significant but I’d be open to trading Grundy first
JDG if we were offered something amazing but he’s just the type we need: inside/outside bull with goal nous
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We will never be able to trade Grundy, particularly now that he has become a lumberer. No one would pay his contract. He will be our albatross for 7 long years.
 
Matt_352 said:
Hine's position should be reviewed but Guy should be executed for the mismanagement of the list. He has set it back years sadly. We need a full rebuild.
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Maybe a full rebuild but it’s amazing how quickly thinks change

It prob won’t happen but a trade of (hypothetically) Grundy nets us Mc Donald and a pick (to use on another small pressure forward)- trading in a developing KPD in McAsey...list looks completely different

Combine this with a number of young mids coming through (+ add Daics), a KP in McMahon, medium forward in Henry and suddenly we’re back in action

Not doubt we need to be shrewd but bold and assured in our trading and drafting but there’s hope
 
SchuPie said:
Maybe a full rebuild but it’s amazing how quickly thinks change

It prob won’t happen but a trade of (hypothetically) Grundy nets us Mc Donald and a pick (to use on another small pressure forward)- trading in a developing KPD in McAsey...list looks completely different

Combine this with a number of young mids coming through (+ add Daics), a KP in McMahon, medium forward in Henry and suddenly we’re back in action

Not doubt we need to be shrewd but bold and assured in our trading and drafting but there’s hope
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No one will pay Brodies contract
 
SchuPie said:
100% w you on Moore
Has to be our next captain

Given the right price I’m open to trading anyone
I’d want something significant but I’d be open to trading Grundy first
JDG if we were offered something amazing but he’s just the type we need: inside/outside bull with goal nous
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Yep agree with that to


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nahnah said:
They were still viewed as expendable and not worthy of big contracts or we would have moved others... for the record I do agree they were good picks though. At pick 6 you hope to make a good pick majority of the time
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Once again, can’t really blame Hine for inflated contracts for those two. They were both re-contracted by Guy. By any reasonable measure, the talent ID in both cases was good to excellent.
 
Tom McDonald would be handy right now, another Key Position back up we over looked, but that's right, we have Grundy
 
Quicky said:
I think we have a strong list, but no longer any depth. It would be stronger and bat deeper if we hadn't stuffed our contracts up. Our one glaring weakness is key forward, so that's certainly reflected in our playing list.
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Clubs does not rate KPF's it seems
 

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TradeDraft said:
Clubs does not rate KPF's it seems
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I think it's more that we've applied the wrong drafting strategy to it. I think Hine doesn't like the risk with early picks and has tried to find the solution with Cat B rookies. That's always gonna be a long shot.
 
nahnah said:
Is it time to review Hine's position? These are our picks since our strong 2014 draft:

2015:
Pick 32 - Brayden Sier
Pick 58 - Tom Phillips (good pick but traded for pick 60+ 5 years later)
Pick 63 - Rupert Wills (delisted)
Pick 65 - Ben Crocker (delisted)

2016:
Pick 30 - Sam McClarty (delisted)
Pick 35 - Callum Brown
Pick 50 - Kayle Kirby (retired)
Pick 57 - Josh Daicos (good pick but gift wrapped to us)

2017:
Pick 6 - Jaidyn Stephenson (traded for a second rounder a few years later)
Pick 39 - Nathan Murphy (Has played 2 games so far)
Pick 57 - Tyler Brown (another gift wrapped player)

2018:
Pick 13 - Isaac Quaynor (gift)
Pick 29 - Will Kelly (gift)
Pick 77 - Atu Bosenavulagi (traded out as steak knives)

2019:
Pick 40 - Jay Rantall (hasn't played yet)
Pick 45 - Trent Bianco (hasn't played yet)
Pick 55 - Trey Ruscoe (has played a few games)

It's obviously even worse if you factor in the trading out of firsts for Beams + Treloar
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Hard to assess this without knowing more about the average output from those picks. Also, a small thing, but we matched North at 35 and paid the equivalent of a pick somewhere in the mid 40s for Callum Brown.

I think he and his team have done ok with what they were given. The real disaster IMO is trading away all those first rounders
 
Quicky said:
I think it's more that we've applied the wrong drafting strategy to it. I think Hine doesn't like the risk with early picks and has tried to find the solution with Cat B rookies. That's always gonna be a long shot.
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Then why is he still in the job? We've got some real Remora's at our club, Buckley and Hine
 
Moore of the Same said:
The Cats haven't really had the picks either but seem to unearth talent further down the draft order, particularly in recent years. On balance Hine has had a lot to work with compared with Wells.

It also feels like recently Hine hasn't identified and drafted kids with great skill, more athletic ability. Perhaps this was pre-emptive or a result of rule changes requiring greater cardiovascular capacity of players, were left with a group of rather average ball users.
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Cats have won as many flags as Collingwood in recent years. There is no evidence their list management strategy is any better than ours.
 
SchuPie said:
100% w you on Moore
Has to be our next captain

Given the right price I’m open to trading anyone
I’d want something significant but I’d be open to trading Grundy first
JDG if we were offered something amazing but he’s just the type we need: inside/outside bull with goal nous
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So we Trade the Heart of the Team.

So we going to do what North Did just Start from Scratch?
 
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