DT 2011 Mids Thread

[normski]

Having Tambling in your team should immediately disqualify you from the competition on grounds that you're either a waste of time to everyone or are trolling dreamteam. Coming from a guy who has watched him every week for his career and willed him to be a gun, he's just not a dter. Too inconsistent, too injury prone. Plays a flashy game which doesn't suit dreamteam. He's also in a new team. There are so many rookies you can save money on and then with the saved cash, upgrade them to Ablett. Oh and I'd rather the other non-Tambling option. Or some money in the bank. I'm seriously thinking about starting the season with 200k handy, then using one trade to upgrade a rookie to premium status. But no Tambles. We won a trade for once. Booya!

granted, his first nab cup performance has done little to inspire confidence. cant say ive had much cause to watch richmond recently, but has tambling always been unable to kick the footy straight or does it have something to do with the knee op over the preseason. will not see much game time if he cant kick as he's been brought in to provide a link off half back

 

[Jolldo87]

^ Swallow is a bit of an exception (you picked the best draftee that i have ever seen at 17 or 18). However Swallow only has 4 price rises before round 10. That means he might only make 80k and thats if he plays every single game and doesnt get injured. Tambling could also increase his price by 80k and be an easier upgrade to Ablett at Round 10 than Swallow.

Swallow has 5 price rises before Round 10, Tambling has 6.

 

[KruZin]

I'd like to discuss 1 Luke Hodge.

The general consensus this year from a DT point of view seems to be, if I can't have him as a defender, I don't want him at all.

Coming of the back of a 103 average and hitting his prime, what's to say he can't improve on that 103 average and become a super premium Mid this season? Ticks all the boxes. Durable, excellent kick to handball ratio, takes marks & tackles. Is also good for at least a goal per game, if not playing in defence. Sounds like Bartel only better if he is played as a fulltime mid, who rests in the fwd line.

My questions for those in the know is, will Hodge play in defence at all this year and do you think he can cut it as a full time mid?

If yes, I can't see why he can't average 105-115 this year. I rate him as a top 5 AFL player. People think Goddard still has some improvement in him, surely Hodge does as well?

 

[Main Man]

I'd like to discuss 1 Luke Hodge.

The general consensus this year from a DT point of view seems to be, if I can't have him as a defender, I don't want him at all.

Coming of the back of a 103 average and hitting his prime, what's to say he can't improve on that 103 average and become a super premium Mid this season? Ticks all the boxes. Durable, excellent kick to handball ratio, takes marks & tackles. Is also good for at least a goal per game, if not playing in defence. Sounds like Bartel only better if he is played as a fulltime mid, who rests in the fwd line.

My questions for those in the know is, will Hodge play in defence at all this year and do you think he can cut it as a full time mid?

If yes, I can't see why he can't average 105-115 this year. I rate him as a top 5 AFL player. People think Goddard still has some improvement in him, surely Hodge does as well?

Hodge is without doubt my favourite player in the comp, and I have had him every year I have played Dreamteam, biggest problem with having him as a pure midfield player is that if Hawthorn have a few injuries in the back or forward line, he will be the go to man when it comes to filling the holes left in the team, which can often have a negative impact on his scoring. He is also better suited to supercoach in my opinion, I have him in supercoach but not dreamteam. There is no doubt that he is capable of scoring as high as anyone in the competition but its a matter of whether or not he is going to be allowed to just do his own thing in the midfield this year and I'm not sure he will be. Watch his pre season form or look at him as a potential upgrade come mid year.

 

[Borshk]

I'd like to discuss 1 Luke Hodge.

The general consensus this year from a DT point of view seems to be, if I can't have him as a defender, I don't want him at all.

Coming of the back of a 103 average and hitting his prime, what's to say he can't improve on that 103 average and become a super premium Mid this season? Ticks all the boxes. Durable, excellent kick to handball ratio, takes marks & tackles. Is also good for at least a goal per game, if not playing in defence. Sounds like Bartel only better if he is played as a fulltime mid, who rests in the fwd line.

My questions for those in the know is, will Hodge play in defence at all this year and do you think he can cut it as a full time mid?

If yes, I can't see why he can't average 105-115 this year. I rate him as a top 5 AFL player. People think Goddard still has some improvement in him, surely Hodge does as well?

He's currently getting smashed in Rexona's Greatest Athlete- signs of a bad preseason.

Nah in all seriousness, i personally believe a 105 average would be his ceiling. Thats great for the backs, but you could find better in the mids. However, if you feel he can average more, go for it. Should be a unique pick and he certainly wouldnt let u down

 

[KruZin]

Hodge is without doubt my favourite player in the comp, and I have had him every year I have played Dreamteam, biggest problem with having him as a pure midfield player is that if Hawthorn have a few injuries in the back or forward line, he will be the go to man when it comes to filling the holes left in the team, which can often have a negative impact on his scoring. He is also better suited to supercoach in my opinion, I have him in supercoach but not dreamteam. There is no doubt that he is capable of scoring as high as anyone in the competition but its a matter of whether or not he is going to be allowed to just do his own thing in the midfield this year and I'm not sure he will be. Watch his pre season form or look at him as a potential upgrade come mid year.

I hear what you're saying, but you would think Hawthorn's back line coudn't possibly be decimated by injury 3 years straight? Also, they have recruited Cam Bruce, I would assume to play Hodge's role down back? If they didn't get Bruce, I wouldn't be considering Hodge this year like everyone else either.

He's currently getting smashed in Rexona's Greatest Athlete- signs of a bad preseason.

Nah in all seriousness, i personally believe a 105 average would be his ceiling. Thats great for the backs, but you could find better in the mids. However, if you feel he can average more, go for it. Should be a unique pick and he certainly wouldnt let u down

This is why I will pick him. Was super consistent last season as well all know. I see him as a keeper who will probably end up being my #5-#6 mid by seasons end. Should score consistently enough to keep me in League contention as well whilst he's my #4 mid. Anything between 100-110 will be fine as far as I'm concerned. As there is little scoring volatility with Hodge, even if he's moved down back for whatever reason. I only recall 2 or 3 poor scoring games from him last year and 100+ the rest of the time. For a 5-6 mid, consistently scoring 100+ is always ideal. Even if he only manages a season average of 100-105.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Swallow has 5 price rises before Round 10, Tambling has 6.

Thanks for the clarification

Im not interested in Tambling at all but the poster mentioned if he avgs 85 and Swallow avgs 75 than Swallow is the far better pick.

I dont necessarily agree because as you showed Tambling has one extra price rise and is only priced at 15-17 above Swallow and is at a higher price making him an easier upgrade to Ablett (if thats what you are aiming to do like the poster suggester). Tambling would be the better option if you thought they would avg that and play all there games.

 

[PepperShaker]

He's currently getting smashed in Rexona's Greatest Athlete- signs of a bad preseason.

Nah in all seriousness, i personally believe a 105 average would be his ceiling. Thats great for the backs, but you could find better in the mids. However, if you feel he can average more, go for it. Should be a unique pick and he certainly wouldnt let u down

I think Rexona would say he "Won't let you down"

 

[Jolldo87]

Thanks for the clarification

Im not interested in Tambling at all but the poster mentioned if he avgs 85 and Swallow avgs 75 than Swallow is the far better pick.

I dont necessarily agree because as you showed Tambling has one extra price rise and is only priced at 15-17 above Swallow and is at a higher price making him an easier upgrade to Ablett (if thats what you are aiming to do like the poster suggester). Tambling would be the better option if you thought they would avg that and play all there games.

And that's the most important thing. If you think that Tambling will play every game for Adelaide then I say go for it as I think he can average enough to upgrade to a premium. The question is, does Craig consider him best 22? Will he be the fall guy after the Crows have a couple of losses in a row?

 

[DERIBERATE]

And that's the most important thing. If you think that Tambling will play every game for Adelaide then I say go for it as I think he can average enough to upgrade to a premium. The question is, does Craig consider him best 22? Will he be the fall guy after the Crows have a couple of losses in a row?

Craig has already told Tambling through the media that he'll have to work for it.

 

[Dr Awkward]

I'm not sure how many sh*t games Tambling has to play before people realise he is no good. Maybe a new club will help a bit but seriously he would have to become a COMPLETELY different player.

He is slightly better at DT than he is at real footy but I'm still advising not to touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Also- Swallow has much better job security than Tambling.

 

[jjcs]

Nobody considering Scott Selwood? Yeah, he's awkwardly priced but averaged 88 in the last 10 games of '10 and accessed the prune 13 times on the weekend.

Should start in the guts every week (although maybe playing a run-with role).

Plus he's a Selwood...

 

[Borgsta]

Just on Hodge will he play the full compliment of games? I doubt it.

 

[Hu$tler]

Nobody considering Scott Selwood? Yeah, he's awkwardly priced but averaged 88 in the last 10 games of '10 and accessed the prune 13 times on the weekend.

Should start in the guts every week (although maybe playing a run-with role).

Plus he's a Selwood...

This is a good 1!

Just watch his role though, can be our tagger. Although taggers can score points too, especially those who tackle as much as Scooter.

Brent Prismall any1?

 

[bombermick]

This is a good 1!

Just watch his role though, can be our tagger. Although taggers can score points too, especially those who tackle as much as Scooter.

Brent Prismall any1?

Considering Prismall but can't help but feel it's my Bomber bias talking. He racks up possessions, but it's hard to know how highly he's seen by Hirdy. Watson could increase his average if they play a more defensive game style that forces more stoppages.

 

[Spider Klein]

Prismall could be a good unique pick. So many staying away from bombers due to round 22 (and rightly so) but could average big numbers.

Anyone think Mitch Duncan an option. Has DP with forwards and I think he could get some of the midfield time left by ablett. Bartel and Corey have proven effective elsewhere and Duncan looks a skilled player

edit Round 24 now not 22

 

[Little Jerry]

What are Foley's chances of playing round 1?

 

[Jolldo87]

What are Foley's chances of playing round 1?

If he's fit (which I believe he is at the moment) then he'll play.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Nobody considering Scott Selwood? Yeah, he's awkwardly priced but averaged 88 in the last 10 games of '10 and accessed the prune 13 times on the weekend.

Should start in the guts every week (although maybe playing a run-with role).

Plus he's a Selwood...

I am. Breakout year looming imo...

 

[Shane Hird]

Considering Prismall but can't help but feel it's my Bomber bias talking. He racks up possessions, but it's hard to know how highly he's seen by Hirdy.
Watson could increase his average if they play a more defensive game style that forces more stoppages.

Good point there..even more tackles and handpasses for Jobe.

 

[JuddyBuddy]

What are people's thoughts on Boyd and Montagna in the same team from the start of the year, with them both having the bye in round 4? Better to wait til after the bye and trade one or the other in or just have confidence in your bench rookies to cover? Rookie mid's are usually fairly reliable for a decent score.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

What are people's thoughts on Boyd and Montagna in the same team from the start of the year, with them both having the bye in round 4? Better to wait til after the bye and trade one or the other in or just have confidence in your bench rookies to cover? Rookie mid's are usually fairly reliable for a decent score.

Depends if your willing to take the risk or not. Personally i probably wont take the risk. But both are good selection nevertheless. Consistant can score big and likely top 3-4 mid scorers. Youll need them sometime in the year, so starting both would be a great idea, but unfortunatly as you mentioned that dredded round 4 bye hurts and for me is too risky, but it depends on how brave you are really.

I personally think the midfield premiums are of good quality this season, eg: i like alot of them. So i wouldnt bother taking the risk, i think there are to many other good options who come with less risk that can be just as good if not better picks.

It also depends how well you covering with DPP and how many other STK, WBD and Brisbane players your picking elsewhere. eg: Goddard, Higgins, Adcock all very common in teams it seems.




Are people picking there 4th midfielder (starting) as the player they want to end up with as there 6th mid??

 

[Borshk]

Ill be taking the risk on having both boyd and montagna at this stage. I feel they'll both get off to excellent starts and with their first 3 fixtures each, i expect big scores because of who they are playing.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Ill be taking the risk on having both boyd and montagna at this stage. I feel they'll both get off to excellent starts and with their first 3 fixtures each, i expect big scores because of who they are playing.

I mean i see little wrong with it, means you cant have another in the mids and may need to cut down in other areas but Riewoldt, Goddard, Adcock are just about "must haves". Higgins seems to be getting talked about a bit aswell. So having all 6 could be a recipe for disaster. You might be playing 10 rookies that round and thats before injures in the first 3 rounds.

May need to calculate in some extra trades used for this risky strategy. Coz you might be trading to have 22 players on the park for round 4 - the last thing you want.


Also who would you pick next if you didnt pick Montagna (assuming hes your last picked premium mid, eg: your less sure about). Because limiting byes or smaller scores or even zeros is important this year to win.

Just for example. Stanton may be a good bet coz he has late byes and than you can trade Montagna in after round 4, meaning you decrease your byes by 1, if you switch the players.

Lets say they avg similar to last year 110 (montagna), 100 (Stanton). Assuming you bring Montagna in after R4 and Stanton in at the same time before R10. Also assume they play 22 games each to make it easier to show what im getting at.

Starting Stanton 22 x 100 = 2200
+ Montagna 19 x 110 = 2090 (Brought in after R4 with 20 rounds left, 1 a bye)

Starting Montagna 22 x 110 = 2420
+ Stanton 18 x 100 = 1800 (same time brought in as above example to compare)

And IF you are happy to use 60 for an avg of a rookie (Baxters sorry if its wrong by 5 or 10, just a little thing for the case above, pure guestimate)

Than

Starting Stanton = 4290
Starting Montagna = 4280

Not much difference, but than you have to calculate in how much more your paying for Montagna over Stanton. For this case 10 which is about 42k~ (So Stanton starting would also be making an extra 10 points every week up until trades). Although having said this you will have to pay extra to bring Montagna in than Stanton.

Porbably not a great example, just showing that limiting byes is probably better if the premium mid your leaving out has similar byes to Stanton (late on).

 

[Borshk]

Yeh not a bad example, dwd. Interesting to say the least.

I personally just cant get rid of eiter boyd or joey. i think they're just gonna start too well to miss out on. As you've said, Riewoldt, Goddard and to a lesser extent Adcock- are "must have" picks, so round 4 could really be disastorous for me. but who knows... i could get a few really good rookie scores that round (wishful thinking i know) and still be up to pace with the rest of the comp. i also think this is quite early in the season and gives me time to catch up if this risk does fail me.

tbh, i dont think its the biggest risk and obviously doesnt hinder my league chances- something im not focussing on but dont mind falling back on if im doing shit overall.