DT 2011 Mids Thread

[terminators]

Looks like Cyril will be spending alot of time in the midfield if this is anything to go by. For those with Buddy, can you risk having them both?

Averaged 97.5 the last 10 games of last season. Not sure how much time he spent in the midfield though?




http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cyril-rioli-to-blossom/story-e6frf9jf-1226000825292

Cyril would no doubt be on a lot more radars if it wasn't for the injury concerns plus Rd 6. Soft tissue worries when he stepped up his workload through the middle last year. Also, with a maximum of 2 to take from Chappy, Buddy, Pav, SJ, Cyril plus Mzungu and Smith as bench options it becomes a delicate balancing act.

 

[IDIG]

Cyril would no doubt be on a lot more radars if it wasn't for the injury concerns plus Rd 6. Soft tissue worries when he stepped up his workload through the middle last year. Also, with a maximum of 2 to take from Chappy, Buddy, Pav, SJ, Cyril plus Mzungu and Smith as bench options it becomes a delicate balancing act.

Yeah i agree. I was looking at him before i read that article but it took me long enough to convince myself to take Buddy with his past record...and now i'm looking at Cyril with his past injuries and the bye to take into consideration.

Extra midfield time though, and a flawless preseason....

 

[PepperShaker]

Yeah i agree. I was looking at him before i read that article but it took me long enough to convince myself to take Buddy with his past record...and now i'm looking at Cyril with his past injuries and the bye to take into consideration.

Extra midfield time though, and a flawless preseason....

IMO it will be hard to fit both Buddy and Cyril into the same team before round 6. What sucks is that the Hawks have a relatively soft run of games (Adelaide, Melboure, Richmond, West Coast, Geelong) and Cyril's score could potentially skyrocket.

At least after the round 6 bye the Hawks have a tough run (Port, St Kilda, Sydney, Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Geelong) and we should see his price come back down.

If he jets it over the first 5 rounds, plays plenty of midfield time and stays injury free then he looks like a tasty upgrade target after round 13- about the time that cash cows will be prime for culling.

 

[Jolldo87]

Completely disagree on Ablett being lazy and not willing to work hard for the GC. You don't get as good as he is by being lazy, not matter how much natural talent you have. He's now got the added responsibility of the captaincy and anyone who suggests he is now content with his career to date and not willing to continue to push for further success is having a massive laugh.

Looks like Cyril will be spending alot of time in the midfield if this is anything to go by. For those with Buddy, can you risk having them both?

Averaged 97.5 the last 10 games of last season. Not sure how much time he spent in the midfield though?




http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cyril-rioli-to-blossom/story-e6frf9jf-1226000825292

Would be happier is it was Clarkson saying this rather than Buddy. Not sure he'll play as much midfield time as some would think.

Cyril would no doubt be on a lot more radars if it wasn't for the injury concerns plus Rd 6. Soft tissue worries when he stepped up his workload through the middle last year. Also, with a maximum of 2 to take from Chappy, Buddy, Pav, SJ, Cyril plus Mzungu and Smith as bench options it becomes a delicate balancing act.

You can afford to take 3 if you're using dual positioned players. A C/F in the mids will allow you to take three of these guys assuming you don't have many in the mids also out for this round.

 

[terminators]

You can afford to take 3 if you're using dual positioned players. A C/F in the mids will allow you to take three of these guys assuming you don't have many in the mids also out for this round.

Jolldo, thanks for that but the problem I have is players like Mzungu and Smith who are dual positioned bench options also have the bye this round. And Krakouer is better in the fwds away from Swan.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

I'm with DWD on this one. Few stories last year about him being out at night when he was injured and that type of thing. I'm not saying he's lazy, but I do think with the low expectations on GC next year he knows he's not going to be
A: Pushed too hard physically if he's not 100%, as we've seen this pre-season.
B: Be blamed if they have a shit year.
C: Forced to prove anything to anyone.

We all on here think he'll drop his average and not be as good as he was at Geelong. Our expectations on him have lowered, everyone's have, so what it comes down to is this; will he rise to the challenge and prove us wrong, or will he with the spotlight and pressure off him, relax a little and coast?

The guy has done everything there is to do in footy, if he wanted the hard slog he'd have toughed it out at Geelong till their next chance at a flag when he was 31-32, not gone north for a cozy retirement package.

I beg to differ on your last line there. Ablett has gone north for the cozy retirement package because he wasnt going to get a package like that had he stayed at Geelong. Gold coast wont be in a position to win a flag in Abletts lifetime over there either but the package he will get at the end will set him up for life and whether he decides to work hard or not he will still get paid out the same. I am not so sure he will take the hard work option

 

[Jolldo87]

I beg to differ on your last line there. Ablett has gone north for the cozy retirement package because he wasnt going to get a package like that had he stayed at Geelong. Gold coast wont be in a position to win a flag in Abletts lifetime over there either but the package he will get at the end will set him up for life and whether he decides to work hard or not he will still get paid out the same. I am not so sure he will take the hard work option

I think Ablett will definitely believe that the Gold Coast will be pushing for a premiership within the next 6 years.

 

[dewey13]

Very torn... Hibberd v Heppell?

 

[Thorgils]

Very torn... Hibberd v Heppell?

Be torn no longer: Heppell

 

[Rise_up_Stiffy]

Im 1k away from my perfect side, due to this I've changed Atley to Hibberd. This gives my team a nice DP link, but I'm quite keen on having Atley in my side. Should I find a way to get him in?

 

[Docker Dolph]

Without seeing the rest of ur team I reckon it's likely that if u keep any changes u make in ur bench backs or forwards that u will do better having Atley instead. I think the difference between him and Hibberd is likely to be greater than 2 rook backs.

 

[Crow-mo]

I beg to differ on your last line there. Ablett has gone north for the cozy retirement package because he wasnt going to get a package like that had he stayed at Geelong. Gold coast wont be in a position to win a flag in Abletts lifetime over there either but the package he will get at the end will set him up for life and whether he decides to work hard or not he will still get paid out the same. I am not so sure he will take the hard work option

Unless ablett passes away in a freak accident before 2014/15, I think he will definitely see this team contend for a flag.

 

[Lakey91]

Im 1k away from my perfect side, due to this I've changed Atley to Hibberd. This gives my team a nice DP link, but I'm quite keen on having Atley in my side. Should I find a way to get him in?

Everybody says, every single year, that they are 5k away from their perfect side. Truth is, that 5k wouldnt actually help.

 

[borrat]

in my opinion sewell wont be as good as what people think he will more than likely continue to tag unfortunetly

hawthorn already have more than enough inside ball winners with hodge,mitchell and lewis so really cant see him doing anything other than tagging

 

[richcogs]

Ilse, Swallow or Harris? Whose the best to take?

 

[yogibbear]

Ilse, Swallow or Harris? Whose the best to take?

Get a dart board and pin their faces up and blindfold yourself and have a go at it. Nobody can determine the outcome of your question yet. Why don't you put some reasons up why you think one of them is better than the other two?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Get a dart board and pin their faces up and blindfold yourself and have a go at it. Nobody can determine the outcome of your question yet. Why don't you put some reasons up why you think one of them is better than the other two?

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[Dunn - Well Done]

Really sure about my top 3 mids but cant decide on my 4th premium.

It was Bartel but gone cold on him and likely wont pick him now, have talked myself out of it for a few reasons.

Deciding by 3-4 other players around the 100 avg who i hope can improve to a new level.

It really does depend on structure though.

 

[Benno_900]

What are those reasons? Looks to be quite a unique pick this year in any case.

He is a DT favourite of mine, I remember being one of only 4K having Jimmy from the beginning of 2007. Set a new standard for DT scoring that season.

 

[willsko87]

No Ablett could affect Bartel's scores though.

 

[Benno_900]

No Ablett could affect Bartel's scores though.

Why can't that be said about any of the other cats players?

I don't think Bartel will cop the tag if that's what you mean. He may even get more game time in the middle, he hardly started in the centre square last season.

His scores in games that Ablett missed since 2007: 96, 108, 139, 49, 108, 94, 147, 144.

One poor game in there, yes. But the rest aren't bad.

 

[Frankie23]

Why can't that be said about any of the other cats players?

I don't think Bartel will cop the tag if that's what you mean. He may even get more game time in the middle, he hardly started in the centre square last season.

His scores in games that Ablett missed since 2007: 96, 108, 139, 49, 108, 94, 147, 144.

One poor game in there, yes. But the rest aren't bad.

I'd picked up on this stat a few days ago, imo Bartel will thrive without Ablett in the middle. Geelong still have a good cohort of midfielders in Selwood, Chappy, Bartel, Corey and others. Jimmy will have good support around him, as long as he is over his elbow (is he?) then he will be in my team.

I've just learnt Benny Jacobs has glandular, this has thrown a spanner into the works. I'm going for overall ranking this year over leagues (a good team will still win league matches!) and dual position cover is vital. Jacobs was my link between midfield and defence along with Hibberd.

So I'm looking out for a dual positioned rookie (middle and back), anyone on the radar so far this pre-season?

 

[Benno_900]

I think people are locking in their rookies too early. It's only February!

 

[Cruiser23]

Why can't that be said about any of the other cats players?

I don't think Bartel will cop the tag if that's what you mean. He may even get more game time in the middle, he hardly started in the centre square last season.

His scores in games that Ablett missed since 2007: 96, 108, 139, 49, 108, 94, 147, 144.

One poor game in there, yes. But the rest aren't bad.

For me no Ablett is a positive for Bartel but Scott may have other plans and we may find those out before the season.

There is hole in the Cats midfield from the departure of Ablett, and Jimmy thrives in situations where his team needs him, he should slot back in there after spending a bit of time outside the centre square last year. With this defensive aggression/gameplan that Scott is trying to impose (attempting to mould into a Saints 09'/Pies 10' style of defense), tackling is a priority and Jimmy should be at the forefront of Scott's mind with regards to this aspect. He should be able to lead by example and be thrusted into the centre square at every opportunity. The tag is a slight concerns but he has the game to work through them if he does attract one, whether that be upping the aggression or pushing forward. Some teams might see him as more of a danger than a Selwood or Chapman but i'd expect more teams to concentrate on those two more, plus Johnson and Enright across half back.

Obviously this is what i think will happen rather than what Scott will implement. Will need to see because if he's to enter the starting rotation, full time, he is underpriced for mine. I've heard many things with regards to the midfield of the Cats this year. Corey's back, Johnson may push through there, Enright too, still slightly up in the air so will need to see where Bartel fits in before i'm even more confident in selecting him.

For me Selwood is clearly affected the most from the departure of Ablett even though he does have a game to push through it. For me there is no value in selecting him at all.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Well i havnt watched much pre season so i cant say too much in regards to Jimmy, but i have a few question marks, and when selecting premiums i dont want any question marks.

Here they are:
No Ablett means 3rd in line for a tag, if he chops one week he will be tagged the next week (would rarely happen with ablett in the side).

Along with this it could mean he is very up and down meaning he will likely become cheaper anyway if the above is to occur which i think it will.

Only avg 103~ if you give him his normal avg of tackles after injurying his elbow. So he finished the season quite poorly besides finals.

His role, i dont see any other geelong midfielder with the capability to tag or play a good one on one role (Could be used like D.Cross more). Ling out of the midfield could hurt just as much as Ablett missing, infact maybe even more.

Geelong on the down, they arnt going to be anything special and id be very suprised if they made the top 4 or even top 5. I have them 6th, but there list is starting to look weak and very shaky. We know how points correlate with success.

Geelong need to find something new other than the same old same old midfield. Gone are the days Bartel, Corey, Ling, Ablett, Selwood rack em up. They have lost there most impacting fastest midfielder and he must be replaced, bartel aint that player. SJ, Varcoe, Enright could be given time to add something else.

The coach, geelong have been renowned for super super high disposals. They now may change that with the coaches new strategy something to watch closely.

To many question marks and doubts. Personally cant see him avg more than 105 looking at his back end of the season. Avg of ~97 isnt good enough.

Also age, he peaked early and has been on a downward spiral that has been very linear since his peak.