DT Rucks 2010

[54Dogs]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/85732/default.aspx

Seaby number 1 ruck for Swans next year if Jolly leaves.

 

[Lakey91]

Indeed - only priced at 51.6 too which is relatively cheap.

Currie should still get a fair few games anyway id imagine, so should provide solid backup.

 

[Hodges]

Do you see much scope for improvement in him though? He has always been a spud, Im not sure that even Roos can get something out of him.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Indeed - only priced at 51.6 too which is relatively cheap.

Currie should still get a fair few games anyway id imagine, so should provide solid backup.

will he get a discount??

Seaby at first ruck means he slides into my 3rd ruck position as consistent back up

Ayce Cordy likely as 4th

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Do you see much scope for improvement in him though? He has always been a spud, Im not sure that even Roos can get something out of him.

Worst case scenario though is that with Sydney's style of play - he should be at a lot more stoppages and therefore a lot more +1's.

he should also get a lot more TOG

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Looks like the rucks will differ per each side this year, especially if Monty is correct in the prices and the rucks he has in the fanplanner. Very exciting ad good to see. I like the look of alot of the rucks.

D.Hille is hard to pass up, M.Clark avg 115 in his last 14 games (IIRC). Cox the ever reliable 105-110 avg, Seaby the best ruck at sydney and cheap if Jolly goes. Leunberger a number 4 draft pick and cheap, Warnock, Kruezer a number 1 pick and looks great as a ruck for carlton, Brennan, Lynch both offer plenty of durability and job security whilst playing likely different roles to a ruckmen. NN can he take his game to a 70 avg similar to what kruezer did.

Plenty of options, hope monty is right on fanfooty.

 

[54Dogs]

will he get a discount??

Seaby at first ruck means he slides into my 3rd ruck position as consistent back up

240K a fair hit as bench coverage

 

[Virgil]

240K a fair hit as bench coverage

I think it's an idea worthy of consideration in the rucks though, as you're almost certain to have ruckmen missing for 5-6 matches throughout the season. A quality third ruckman with job security and scoring potential IMO may very well be worth an extra 100-150k.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

240K a fair hit as bench coverage

I think it's an idea worthy of consideration in the rucks though, as you're almost certain to have ruckmen missing for 5-6 matches throughout the season. A quality third ruckman with job security and scoring potential IMO may very well be worth an extra 100-150k.

I'm probably looking at a Cox/Hille combo or perhaps a Cox/Ottens combo

Both of those have their injury concerns - so looking for a solid ruck around $200k - meaning I shouldn't have to trade in the rucks all year barring a season ending injury.

At this stage - Seaby and Naitanui fit the bill

 

[54Dogs]

I think it's an idea worthy of consideration in the rucks though, as you're almost certain to have ruckmen missing for 5-6 matches throughout the season. A quality third ruckman with job security and scoring potential IMO may very well be worth an extra 100-150k.

But there'll be other options playing regularly below this price. Warnock if his shoulders OK at 120ish, 2nd Swans ruck, 2nd Port ruck.

Ottens will be a similar price to Seaby. Despite the injury risk, I know who's got more scoring potential.

 

[Virgil]

I'm probably looking at a Cox/Hille combo or perhaps a Cox/Ottens combo

Both of those have their injury concerns - so looking for a solid ruck around $200k - meaning I shouldn't have to trade in the rucks all year barring a season ending injury.

At this stage - Seaby and Naitanui fit the bill

Without looking at the prices, wouldn't Cox/Ottens/Hille be the most logical trio?

But there'll be other options playing regularly below this price. Warnock if his shoulders OK at 120ish, 2nd Swans ruck, 2nd Port ruck.

Ottens will be a similar price to Seaby. Despite the injury risk, I know who's got more scoring potential.

I'm not sure those players can be relied upon to play regularly though Dogs. For example, any combination of Jolly/Seaby/Pyke/LRT rucking for Sydney would result in no good cheap option. There are also proven scorers in the above price range (Hille, Ottens) and players with a lot of potential (Naitanui, Renouf, McEvoy). I'm not sure Warnock has that same potential to be all that useful.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Im looking at Brennan/Hille with Warnock as a 3rd option on the bench if fit. With a 90k Currie type as 4th ruck.

Im still considering Cox highly, but to get a midfielder in the rucks is alot to passup especially considering i feel Brennan is massivly underpriced and i also consider a durable player even though he has missed gamesthrough his career.

I did make the mistake of not picking Cox last year and it hurt.

Their will be not many good 90k players to rely on like other years. I think taking Hille and another cheapish ruck like NN/Seaby/Warnock may be a good idea. Those 3 are likely to make money still.

 

[54Dogs]

Im looking at Brennan/Hille with Warnock as a 3rd option on the bench if fit. With a 90k Currie type as 4th ruck.

Im still considering Cox highly, but to get a midfielder in the rucks is alot to passup especially considering i feel Brennan is massivly underpriced and i also consider a durable player even though he has missed gamesthrough his career.

I did make the mistake of not picking Cox last year and it hurt.

Their will be not many good 90k players to rely on like other years. I think taking Hille and another cheapish ruck like NN/Seaby/Warnock may be a good idea. Those 3 are likely to make money still.

I'd be highly surprised if Brennan is listed as a ruck despite short relief periods pinch hitting this year.

That said, if you can find a ruck who is not actually a ruck it's great from a durability perspective.

 

[West123]

Without looking at the prices, wouldn't Cox/Ottens/Hille be the most logical trio?

Way too expensive for a bench ruck. Especially when Warnock is there at 100k less. He's a good third if you worried about depth, with a basement rookie at 4th ruck.

 

[Borgsta]

will he get a discount??

Seaby at first ruck means he slides into my 3rd ruck position as consistent back up

Ayce Cordy likely as 4th

Ayce would be highly unlikely to get any games next year.

 

[Borgsta]

What would Minson be likely priced at?

 

[West123]

Someone run the figures but to me there is no point in having an expensive back up ruckmen. Lock Robbie Warnock in a 3 and a rookie at 4 and hope your front two are durable. Your money is needed elsewhere.

 

[Notorious_29]

Someone run the figures but to me there is no point in having an expensive back up ruckmen. Lock Robbie Warnock in a 3 and a rookie at 4 and hope your front two are durable. Your money is needed elsewhere.

I think I heard Warnock injured himself again quite recently. Makes you think he might not ever get his body right. Practically 2 years of serious injuries now.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Lobbe and Currie are good options especially if Warnock cant get up.

 

[West123]

Can Jolly score more playing for Collingwood? I'd think so, he seems to do well on big grounds as opposed to the SCG.

Certainly Seaby can up his output as the first ruck for Sydney.

 

[chadleverington]

Can Jolly score more playing for Collingwood? I'd think so, he seems to do well on big grounds as opposed to the SCG.

Certainly Seaby can up his output as the first ruck for Sydney.

All speculation. Jolly as #1 ruck at sydney changing to #1 ruck at collingwood, why are you assuming he will score better?

 

[West123]

You mean besides my statement about playing more games at the MCG? Well, I think Collingwood a) have more possessions and are a better DT side & b) Sydney will get touched up more times than Collingwood this year, teams getting touched up struggle to score well, particularly big KPP.

 

[chadleverington]

You mean besides my statement about playing more games at the MCG?

So a bigger ground means higher scores for ruckmen? Wouldn't a smaller ground like the SCG plus the swans style of constant one on one mean more ball ups and hitouts? can you show me the data for ruckmen at the MCG V ruckman not at the MCG?

teams getting touched up struggle to score well, particularly big KPP.

I generally agree with that, but all the Ruck data seems to point to the opposite. Leading average in ruck was Cox, whose West Coast team struggled to 11th. H Mac scored very well for the 13th kangaroos, sandilands scored well for 14th freo and sydneys jolly who are in 12th. In fact if you look at it, the top 5 sides don't have a high scoring ruckman. Jolly averaged 85 for the swans and fraser averaged 88 for the pies.

 

[West123]

The top 5 teams have DT ruck spuds. They also tend to have shared ruck roles, these don't help.

Gardiner & King
Blake & Mumford (Ottens injured - scores well when fit)
Minson & Hudson
Fraser - scores well when not injures.
Adeliade's bunch of interchangeable rucks.

Jolly is a durability machine. Can ruck 90% of games and last all 22. Very helpful.

Jolly By Grounds - 2009.
Ave. / No. of Games
Ethihad - 81 / 2
AAMI - 81 / 1
Gabba - 133 / 1
ANZ - 107 / 4
Geelong - 63 / 1
MCG - 97 / 3
Manuka - 85 / 2
SCG - 74 / 7
Subi - 68 / 1

As I said, he is better suited to big grounds where there is more space, MCG, ANZ & Gabba with his Subi game being the outlier.

Very interesting that his 2nd worse ground was the SCG where he played 7...

 

[Ausyid]

I generally agree with that, but all the Ruck data seems to point to the opposite. Leading average in ruck was Cox, whose West Coast team struggled to 11th. H Mac scored very well for the 13th kangaroos, sandilands scored well for 14th freo and sydneys jolly who are in 12th. In fact if you look at it, the top 5 sides don't have a high scoring ruckman. Jolly averaged 85 for the swans and fraser averaged 88 for the pies.

This may be true but I'm not sure of its relevance to this discussion. Are you suggesting Jolly will score worse if he plays for a better team?