Eagles draft performance over recent years

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B ... verging on B+ .... but to be fair that was just one of many bad hot takes throughout the rankings. Any ranking that far off can't form the basis for any serious analysis

But I was only over here to congratulate you guys on getting big Flynny (clicked on your list by mistake. So, i'll leave you to do you).
 

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Eddie_Sandbrah

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B ... verging on B+ .... but to be fair that was just one of many bad hot takes throughout the rankings. Any ranking that far off can't form the basis for any serious analysis

Ok, so you picked up 1 Giant players that may have been misranked. I also reckon de Boer is a C. Taylor Adams is borderline A, but then Riccardi is borderline C. Zac Williams was good in his prime, but meh.

Are there any others?

 

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Zac Williams ... played huge games for us and on an 850k a year contract at Carlton, probably better than F. Matt deBoer C at least, James McDonald played one year in our first year as a playign coach to set standards so more than F for us and much more than F over his career. Andrew Phillips would be in the Matt Kennedy category. That's just for gws, multiply this by 18 and you see there is a huge problem with your ratings
 

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Zac Williams ... played huge games for us and on an 850k a year contract at Carlton, probably better than F. Matt deBoer C at least, James McDonald played one year in our first year as a playign coach to set standards so more than F for us and much more than F over his career. Andrew Phillips would be in the Matt Kennedy category. That's just for gws, multiply this by 18 and you see there is a huge problem with your ratings
Williams can't get a game at Carlton.
deBoer is a C
McDonald may have been great for you guys, but he played 1 year.
Phillips? Played 82 games in 10 years?

So let's get this straight, there's 2 guys who are F's that should be C's. (Cumming at this stage of his career isn't better than a C)

That makes 0 difference to the end result.

Do you know how I ranked the teams? This:



Those players you talk of, don't matter. They are loose change.


If you want to argue that loose change matters, fine, go for it, but don't waste time talking about 1 or 2 players than are mis-ranked by 1 grade.
 

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Williams can't get a game at Carlton.
deBoer is a C
McDonald may have been great for you guys, but he played 1 year.
Phillips? Played 82 games in 10 years?

So let's get this straight, there's 2 guys who are F's that should be C's. (Cumming at this stage of his career isn't better than a C)

That makes 0 difference to the end result.

Do you know how I ranked the teams? This:



Those player you talk of, don't matter. They are loose change.


If you want to argue that loose change matters, fine, go for it, but waste time talking about 1 or 2 players than are mis-ranked by 1 grade.
Williams missed this year with an acl ... dude, if you don't know the players, how can you even begin to rank tehm?
 

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Williams missed this year with an acl ... dude, if you don't know the players, how can you even begin to rank tehm?
I noticed you have declined to give feedback on my final rankings, but get stuck and spin your wheels on players that don't really matter......

Do you have a point other than being mad about a few players that might be slightly incorrectly ranked?

You could always get those 776 players, rank them, and see if your outcome is any different to mine? In fact, I've already ranked them for you. All you have to do is change the ones you disagree with, and see if it changes the outcome.
 
For people, especially those visiting the WCE board, reading this thread -

It’s a very broad brush analysis (the OP has said as much in the first post and in several replies) designed to compare the eagles drafting against other clubs. It is not a detailed breakdown of players careers like Champion Data might do but just a rough guideline

Make your own mind up about how the list was compiled and that will guide how much weight you place on its conclusions. But nitpicking over how player A should have been this or that is boring

If you don’t like it, move on. In the grand scheme of things it’s an interesting discussion point but don’t get bogged down in the minutiae of a bigger picture - like critiquing a painting of the Grand Canyon and complaining a tree was drawn in the wrong spot

PS: I’m not directly equating this thread to the Grand Canyon, it isn’t that grand
 

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For people, especially those visiting the WCE board, reading this thread -

It’s a very broad brush analysis (the OP has said as much in the first post and in several replies) designed to compare the eagles drafting against other clubs. It is not a detailed breakdown of players careers like Champion Data might do but just a rough guideline

Make your own mind up about how the list was compiled and that will guide how much weight you place on its conclusions. But nitpicking over how player A should have been this or that is boring

If you don’t like it, move on. In the grand scheme of things it’s an interesting discussion point but don’t get bogged down in the minutiae of a bigger picture - like critiquing a painting of the Grand Canyon and complaining a tree was drawn in the wrong spot

PS: I’m not directly equating this thread to the Grand Canyon, it isn’t that grand
My apologies, Keys
 

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For people, especially those visiting the WCE board, reading this thread -

It’s a very broad brush analysis (the OP has said as much in the first post and in several replies) designed to compare the eagles drafting against other clubs. It is not a detailed breakdown of players careers like Champion Data might do but just a rough guideline

Make your own mind up about how the list was compiled and that will guide how much weight you place on its conclusions. But nitpicking over how player A should have been this or that is boring

If you don’t like it, move on. In the grand scheme of things it’s an interesting discussion point but don’t get bogged down in the minutiae of a bigger picture - like critiquing a painting of the Grand Canyon and complaining a tree was drawn in the wrong spot

PS: I’m not directly equating this thread to the Grand Canyon, it isn’t that grand
Intriguing post Keys .

However, I have noticed that you have not bothered to finish many sentences with a full stop, exclamation point or a question mark.

How can a moderator post with so many errors be taken seriously?
 
Intriguing post Keys .

However, I have noticed that you have not bothered to finish many sentences with a full stop, exclamation point or a question mark.

How can a moderator post with so many errors be taken seriously?

I was unaware of this habit of mine until someone (hello Shupe )pointed it out to me many years ago

Now I do it on purpose
 
Intriguing post Keys .

However, I have noticed that you have not bothered to finish many sentences with a full stop, exclamation point or a question mark.

How can a moderator post with so many errors be taken seriously?

Don't be harsh, you need to be accomodating and understanding of Keys poor schooling ;) .
 
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Thanks EddieS. Appreciate the large amount of work in an attempt to quantify a very subjective topic. Inevitably there’ll be holes and missteps. But well done for having a go.
 

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Interesting analysis overall and fair enough on a large selection of data to back it up.

For me, the perception at times with our drafting is our hit / miss ratio at the back end of the 1st Round through the 2nd Round. Especially given that during the period you've highlighted, we only had 4 picks before Pick 13 (Sheppard, Gaff, Sheed and Duggan). So in several of those years, Picks 13 - 36 were our entry point to the draft and you would have hoped we had invested plenty of research into players that would be available by the time those picks came around, not to mention as supporters our first live pick was the player we were most likely to get excited about.

Looking at St Kilda as a comparison point using your data, between Pick 13 (the tipping point of the first round) and Pick 36 (the theoretical normal end of the 2nd Round) it looks like this.

West Coast - 18 Picks for 3 x A/B's, 3 x C's and 12 x F's
St Kilda - 13 Picks for 4 x B's and 9 x F's

So St Kilda, who we have elsewhere in this thread held up as poor, have actually picked up 1 more player in the A/B space from 5 less picks and have a 'Fail' rate of 69% while ours is 67%.

Even Essendon, ranked below us overall, have missed (F) between 13 - 36 on 8 occasions while uncovering 7 who are A/B/C. So a far healthier than us 46% miss rate - from a team that hasn't won a final in how long?

One thing that also impacts my own perception of our drafting is how many of our 'fails' in this range were somewhat surprising picks at the time. Players like O'Neill, Karpany, Partington, Weedon and Foley all went higher than most experts' phantom drafts had them at the time. It isn't just hindsight, a couple of these players went a good 10 - 15 picks before experts tipped them to and didn't work out.
 

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