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My mentality changed somewhere. When i was 16 it was 1995 and i thought to myself in 2 years im getting a tattoo of the carlton logo on my arm. Then the bottom fell out and i realised there is more to life than footy. I love the club and that sense of belonging, but now i dont see much distinction between the big arenas today and those of the roman collusems from the days BC. Invariably im drawn to the following comment -

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No, Carlton, I am not entertained. Not at any level. I switched off at half time because its akin to watching Meet The Kardashians (or whatever its called). Utter tripe. Not entertainment. Ill go invest my time elsewhere because frankly, im no longer invested emotionally in this club as i dont identify with it. As much as id like to hang with you guys (proverbial guys), disect the games, get excited about the kids coming through and their development, remain optimistic about the future, I see nothing. From the board, to the coaching, to our on field leadership, to the endeavour of the players taking the list. Its straight up embarassing to be associated with. There are other things id prefer to do now.
 

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thylacine60 said:
What's it like living in 1982?
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Pretty bloody good. I'm 19 years old, the team I support is winning premierships. I've got all the benefits of living at home, with the freedom to come & go as I like. I can have a drink without worrying about the consequences or the example it sets. I'm playing cricket with some of my mates from school.

The best thing of all about living in 1982 though, is I have my whole life ahead of me.
 
windows said:
So what are we actually going to DO? By 'we' I mean the supporters. Usually we come on here and vent. We talk about dropping players, trading players, promoting youth, going after certain individuals from other clubs. We talk about sacking coaches, recruiting staff, player development.

Yet as individuals we can effect none of those things.

So my question is: what are we as individuals, and perhaps then collectively, going to do?

I'd like this thread to be a serious thread that canvasses options then we move to some sort of consensus about action. Ambitious I know.

Some thought starters:
1. 'March' on the club in protest.
2. Do the same in a sign of support
3. Collectively tear up memberships
4. Organise a rival ticket (Ahmed for instance who once really wanted the presidency)
5. Give up completely
6. Keep whinging on here weekly
7. Vote for an emergency AGM

Other options?

Mods can you please try and help keep to a serious thread?

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Windows
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Personally I find #4 appealing.
If there was some sort of coordination with fans we would have an unbeatable voting block.

it looks bleak at the moment, but throwing the club into the too hard basket is pretty poor from people who claim to love the club. We just need some leadership and goal...

This isn't necessarily about the Pres or CEO. I'm especially impressed with Trigg, but has to be more about the amount of dead wood on the club's board.... And failed people who still pull the strings!
 
mediumsizered said:
Pretty bloody good. I'm 19 years old, the team I support is winning premierships. I've got all the benefits of living at home, with the freedom to come & go as I like. I can have a drink without worrying about the consequences or the example it sets. I'm playing cricket with some of my mates from school.

The best thing of all about living in 1982 though, is I have my whole life ahead of me.
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I have come from the future to give you a warning - enjoy it while you ****ing can.
 
dragonsblues said:
Personally I find #4 appealing.
If there was some sort of coordination with fans we would have an unbeatable voting block.

it looks bleak at the moment, but throwing the club into the too hard basket is pretty poor from people who claim to love the club. We just need some leadership and goal...

This isn't necessarily about the Pres or CEO. I'm especially impressed with Trigg, but has to be more about the amount of dead wood on the club's board.... And failed people who still pull the strings!
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Okay another one. How's about a bit of specificity with this vent about the board. Who has to go? Who is coming in? Someone from BF? Juddy next year?
What is the goal? To tell Bruce to GAGF?
 
Doro said:
Okay another one. How's about a bit of specificity with this vent about the board. Who has to go? Who is coming in? Someone from BF? Juddy next year?
What is the goal? To tell Bruce to GAGF?
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All really good questions and I think need to be fleshed out more.

Part of it has to be to break up some of the control of Bruce and other factions within the club.

2 - Who to replace? I guess another thing to be fleshed out but it needs to be someone more neutral, someone who can keep them accountable and represent the members/fans.

Currently, there seems to be a huge discontent between our board/club and fans. The members don't feel like they belong, are listened to or represented. Clearly the most effective way of doing so is by either electing people who will do so (or at least bringing more transparency and awareness of our board, candidates, get members engaged. Or at least to keep those on the board on their toes so that they are aware the members are watching intently.
 
dragonsblues said:
All really good questions and I think need to be fleshed out more.

Part of it has to be to break up some of the control of Bruce and other factions within the club.

2 - Who to replace? I guess another thing to be fleshed out but it needs to be someone more neutral, someone who can keep them accountable and represent the members/fans.

Currently, there seems to be a huge discontent between our board/club and fans. The members don't feel like they belong, are listened to or represented. Clearly the most effective way of doing so is by either electing people who will do so (or at least bringing more transparency and awareness of our board, candidates, get members engaged. Or at least to keep those on the board on their toes so that they are aware the members are watching intently.
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Thankyou for answering without the standard powerbroker blah blah rant. I actually think it is time to begin a discourse with the club about some movement on the board. It's important that we don't let the teams performance turn it into some sort of revolution. We are a going through a period of uncomfortable self-awareness, and pointing the finger of blame isn't going to help. I'd like to see MLG start driving some board change a bit more, I'm not sure what is planned behind the scenes with this, so we need a bit more communication from him. The disconnect isn't going to be fixed whilst the team is rock bottom, all we can do is get some processes in place and try harder.
 
Doro said:
Thankyou for answering without the standard powerbroker blah blah rant. I actually think it is time to begin a discourse with the club about some movement on the board. It's important that we don't let the teams performance turn it into some sort of revolution. We are a going through a period of uncomfortable self-awareness, and pointing the finger of blame isn't going to help. I'd like to see MLG start driving some board change a bit more, I'm not sure what is planned behind the scenes with this, so we need a bit more communication from him. The disconnect isn't going to be fixed whilst the team is rock bottom, all we can do is get some processes in place and try harder.
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I agree. I'm certainly just one view and I'm not in favour of overthrowing the complete board or in the business of over rating our list and believing that a change of coach would alleviate our problems.

The club's needs a full list rebuild which will take 5 years. My concern with the board is that it has never really listened to the fans, though Trigg has made the most concerted effort I've seen from the club to rectify this.

In my opinion, the board has never really valued or listened to members, but since we moved away from Princes Park (an inevitable decision) it has become worse. This discussion should be happening whether we are bottom or top of the ladder. Success or lack their of doesn't change the problems our club face.
 

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dragonsblues said:
I agree. I'm certainly just one view and I'm not in favour of overthrowing the complete board or in the business of over rating our list and believing that a change of coach would alleviate our problems.

The club's needs a full list rebuild which will take 5 years. My concern with the board is that it has never really listened to the fans, though Trigg has made the most concerted effort I've seen from the club to rectify this.

In my opinion, the board has never really valued or listened to members, but since we moved away from Princes Park (an inevitable decision) it has become worse. This discussion should be happening whether we are bottom or top of the ladder. Success or lack their of doesn't change the problems our club face.
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No, the board has been listless, I'm hoping that the change of legislation last year is actually for the purpose of improving it and not keeping control (benefit of the doubt). Dear MLG, pls make some noise re. your board..
 
thylacine60 said:
No. But just between you and me, get on Carlton in 87 and 95. Cause that's it for a while. A long while. Sorry.
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I don't believe you. We will just keep buying the best players from the SANFL & WAFL, whilst continuing to reap the benefits of our country zone. I can't see our run of success ever coming to an end.
 
Be warned, be warned, Friday 15th, 2002.......the end is nigh.................be warned.....................................wooooooooooo............
 
I'm liking this 1982 thing. Think I will stay here.

Good close win over the Dees in round 5 although 9.22 had me pulling my hair out. That Bosustow ... can take a grab but that ball drop. Still, I think inaccurate forwards will be a thing of the past.

Saints up next. We have them covered. Should conceivably rise to 3rd if we get the four points here.
 
thylacine60 said:
Be warned, be warned, Friday 15th, 2002.......the end is nigh.................be warned.....................................wooooooooooo............
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I can only assume that this will be the start of the end of our record breaking run of premierships.
 

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Mathison, M.LoGuidice, A.glesson, Z.Fried, G.Lee, R. Germinder, J.Pratt, and M.Clarke.

Gone.

Rival ticket? Don't know, I'm a long way from the action.

Is there any Melb based Carlton people with a pulse? Maybe some with some footy knowledge, admin skills and some spine?

Just no anger from our supporters. They just accept this shit year on year and say "give them a bit more time.".

MLG has been there for years, we just swapped out Sticks for another member of the board. How is that an improvement? What's changed?

MLG may well be more clueless than Sticks, which is quite an achievement.

We are circling the plug hole but lets give the board a bit more time.:D
 
mediumsizered said:
I can only assume that this will be the start of the end of our record breaking run of premierships.
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Er, yes, something like that. Gotta go, don't suppose you know a fella called Scrooge?
 

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