News Essendon list changes (Update: Neagle and Atkinson delisted)

[stay true]

Atley, etc provide us with a more immediate need. If you want us to go to struggle town next year sure pick Gorringe. We have no midfielders and we pick another tall bloke.

You can ALWAYS trade for a ruckman when you are in a window, we are not. Stock up on midfielders.

I don't think Atley et al is going to be the difference in us being decent or shithouse next year and I don't think that's what we should be (or will be for that matter) basing our decisions on. You can't just completely discount a player (especially one with a massive upside) because of his size. I guess that's what I'm really trying to argue. Plus, we only have 3 ruckman and they always seem to get injured at the same time. Unless you like NLM and Hooker in the ruck?

 

[pazza]

Have to admire the stance Hird is taking here, even though the news was a bit of a surprise.

Unfortunate draft to have so many picks though.

Might not be a bad thing Quiet Man.

Means that we can go any which way we want now - full youth or a mixed bag.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Pretty sure he trained with him a few years ago when he was playing.

Neagle's first game was Hird's last. Think he got a goal with his first kick (at Subiaco).

 

[Slattery_20]

Knowing what we know now, would the club have delisted Slattery & Still ? Should have just waited till final list lodgement (prior to draft)?

Big 'if' there.
We'll probably think long(er) & hard(er) about re-drafting one or both now.

 

[Slattery_20]

Neagle's first game was Hird's last. Think he got a goal with his first kick (at Subiaco).

'First goal' superstar, saluted a lot.

I'd say a good half of his career goals were in the first quarter.

 

[table tennis]

'First goal' superstar, saluted a lot.

I'd say a good half of his career goals were in the first quarter.

That's because he was spent at 15 minute mark of the first quarter every week

 

[The Donners]

Atley, etc provide us with a more immediate need. If you want us to go to struggle town next year sure pick Gorringe. We have no midfielders and we pick another tall bloke.

You can ALWAYS trade for a ruckman when you are in a window, we are not. Stock up on midfielders.

Gorringe can also play as a KPF. Just sayin'...

So, as it stands, our full forward will be one of Mark Williams or Jack Carlisle. That would be my assumption. Otherwise play Gumbleton from the square and play him like the big Fish... use Carlisle/Hurley across HF.

We could struggle to put a score on the board if Shotgun doesn't play a full season. He is looking more and more important to our chances of a move up the ladder IMHO.

 

[Godzke]

Shotgun is tradebait for the GWS as far as I'm concerned. Whether he dominates 2011 or not will simply determine his trade value to Sheeds.

I don't see any great future value in him.

 

[mayhem20202]

Gorringe can also play as a KPF. Just sayin'...

So, as it stands, our full forward will be one of Mark Williams or Jack Carlisle. That would be my assumption. Otherwise play Gumbleton from the square and play him like the big Fish... use Carlisle/Hurley across HF.

We could struggle to put a score on the board if Shotgun doesn't play a full season. He is looking more and more important to our chances of a move up the ladder IMHO.

Gumby = massive running ability = CHF.
Hurley = strong and capable of wrestling in the square, quick on the lead = FF.
Carlisle can play higher up and get down the ground and kick it in, and Williams can lead around inside the 50 arc, when Hurley gets double teamed.

 

[Giggidy Giggidy]

Gumby = massive running ability = CHF.
Hurley = strong and capable of wrestling in the square, quick on the lead = FF.
Carlisle can play higher up and get down the ground and kick it in, and Williams can lead around inside the 50 arc, when Hurley gets double teamed.

Agree with this setup, provided Carlisle's body is ready for regular senior footy. May need to incorporate a Hardingham or resting ruck otherwise, and potentially move Hurls further up the ground.

 

[Walesy]

Should EFC participate in the PSD or Rookie Draft ?

All these picks are way after 60 - or speculative.

Should we run a reduced list ?

Of course we should! The point I'm trying (and outstandingly failing to do) is that the next-to-nothing pick offer for Houli- The pick that people were upset about us not taking when we didn't predict the future- Wouldn't exactly put us in a much better position that we are now, simply because at that level of the draft it's an utter crap shoot.

We've got our dice- let's roll them and see what we got instead of lamenting the fact that we could have been rolling the green dice instead of the red ones...

 

[Slattery_20]

I have absolutely no doubt in our ability to kick a score, despite not having a superstar forward for 3 years (since lucas had his last good season), & weak midfield we've never had an issue.

And only 2 talls. Can't carry 3, no-one does.

 

[The Donners]

Move Hurls further up the ground.

That's why I had him at CHF, you want your best players in the game and undoubtedly he will be one of our best players.

I know Gumbleton's asset is his running but his kicking inside forward 50 is nothing short of disgraceful. His kicking for goal isn't AS bad because he's not telegraphing a pass.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Firstly, the vast majority of those players were taken prior to pick 60.

If I was to say- "Pick 30 in this years draft is useless" - sure, throw in Waite and his like.

Yes but it still shows that quality is there and around picks 50 and beyond. Swan 58!!

Further to that, of the thirteen 60+ players that you actually mentioned, 4 I already mentioned as good.

Well when i said there were plenty of other players picked around 60, Lake was one of them, you were yet to mention him by that time. So 3.

5 of them were drafted more than 10 years ago (In a time where less was spent on recruiting).

I love it.

5 of them drafted more than 10 years ago. Yet all of them drafted in the last 11 years. Nothing changed from 1999 to 2000 in recruiting that was of a major factor.

The remaining 4- C. Jones, Johncock, Schneider and Gwilt. Sure, maybe.

But even if you include them, that's 8 decent players over 10 years. With the majority of them occuring at the start of the decade.

They were all good players in their prime and some are starting to hit their straps right now and become very good players. Johncock should definitly be removed from that list.

Also i didnt look at the past 5 years closely at all, a few in the next 5 years will pop up from those drafts. Dont even get me started on the rookie draft and its success of late. M.Barlow couldve been drafted last year.

In other words, you haven't really lost anything at all as it's all a crapshoot at that level.

We havnt lost alot and maybe it might seem im complaining to much for what its worth. All i would like to see is Essendon give themselves the best possible position to have success and they didnt do that in the Houli case.

Let me know what the hit rate of 95+ in the National draft

 

[Slattery_20]

Us using pick 95+ would be assuming a) every club's using 5 picks, some 6 (massively unlikely) & b) we won't use our PSD pick (we will)

Last ND pick will be 82 or something; but IRL that'll be below 70 w/ passes.

If we get another Bellchambers or Hardingham out of those two late picks we'll have done well.

 

[Walesy]

Well when i said there were plenty of other players picked around 60, Lake was one of them, you were yet to mention him by that time. So 3.

I'm pretty certain I mentioned Harris. So 4.

I love it.

5 of them drafted more than 10 years ago. Yet all of them drafted in the last 11 years. Nothing changed from 1999 to 2000 in recruiting that was of a major factor.

But if you say that nothing major changed for 99-2000, then it's easy to extend that for 00/01 and 01/02 and 02/03 and so on. These things didn't tend to happen overnight- it's something that has occured over time - which is why when you look at the older drafts, more and more gems were found and this is because recruiting and researching has improved over time.

Yes, 10 years was an arbitary cutoff- but the further you go back, the less you'll find that it's relevant to now.

We havnt lost alot and maybe it might seem im complaining to much for what its worth. All i would like to see is Essendon give themselves the best possible position to have success and they didnt do that in the Houli case.

Let me know what the hit rate of 95+ in the National draft

Agreed.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Us using pick 95+ would be assuming a) every club's using 5 picks, some 6 (massively unlikely) & b) we won't use our PSD pick (we will)

Last ND pick will be 82 or something; but IRL that'll be below 70 w/ passes.

If we get another Bellchambers or Hardingham out of those two late picks we'll have done well.

Sorry misunderstood me

Pick 45 this year = pick 60 in past years

Thus the argument of players above pick 60

Pick 82 this year = pick 95+ in other years

Compromised draft affecting due to many GC players already taken out of the draft.

That pick 82 may become pick 70-75 which still means 85-90+ in an uncompromised draft.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

DWD

Great list - but unfortunately facts are often disreagarded on this board.

Do you know that Collingwood's GF team only comprised 7 players who were drafted in the top 20.

Dunno what your trying to say cuz?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I'm pretty certain I mentioned Harris. So 4.

Harris/Lake wasnt mentioned when i say "there alot more better picks than just those 3"

Yes, 10 years was an arbitary cutoff- but the further you go back, the less you'll find that it's relevant to now.

Goes to dictionary and searches the definition of arbitary

Agreed.

Agree to disagree. As long as i beat you in DT again than nothing matters

You mean well

 

[Slattery_20]

Goes to dictionary and searches the definition of arbitrary

try that.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Gorringe can also play as a KPF. Just sayin'...

So, as it stands, our full forward will be one of Mark Williams or Jack Carlisle. That would be my assumption. Otherwise play Gumbleton from the square and play him like the big Fish... use Carlisle/Hurley across HF.

We could struggle to put a score on the board if Shotgun doesn't play a full season. He is looking more and more important to our chances of a move up the ladder IMHO.

You want a KPF..draft Darling, he is the best one available at our pick considering Day is gone to the Gold Coast. Ruckmen at full forwards..dear lord. They are pinch hitters at best.

 

[Walesy]

Harris/Lake wasnt mentioned when i say "there alot more better picks than just those 3"

C'mon man, it was in the direct quote that you were responding to!

Alot more better picks in the past 10 years? Maybe one better pick that I missed- Brian Harris.

But outside of that- if you're not willing to look into who was actually drafted after pick 60 in the past 10 years, don't even bother arguing.

But yes- we're not really getting anywhere so let's just leave it where it is.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Our forward structure for next year focused on kicking scores

Williams - Hurley - Resting Ruck

Jetta - Gumbleton - Colyer

If williams is fit and prepared to chase and tackle than i cant see a spot for Alwyn Davey.

 

[yodellinhank]

You want a KPF..draft Darling, he is the best one available at our pick considering Day is gone to the Gold Coast. Ruckmen at full forwards..dear lord. They are pinch hitters at best.

Paul Salmon?

 

[Burzum]

Our forward structure for next year focused on kicking scores

Williams - Hurley - Resting Ruck

Jetta - Gumbleton - Colyer

If williams is fit and prepared to chase and tackle than i cant see a spot for Alwyn Davey.

Why would we waste Jetta and Colyer in the forward pockets? They've both shown they're damaging as mids.