Science/Environment Explaining evolution and natural selection.

[Pie eyed]

Finally, something of interest, worth Sinking one's teeth into.

And where does this imagination come from, pray tell?....Where, how & what did it 'evolve' from?....This is where Darwinism falls flat, on it's one-dimension-ed, plane of existence, arse.

Sure, animals have instincts & conscience too...And if my Jack Russell is any gauge, they also dream alot....But our human rational, abstract & imaginary capacities are not something shared by any other creature.....Even larger animals with bigger brains: Elephant, Dolphin, Sperm Whale, cannot compose a symphony, publish & read print or philosophize over existence.

Our 3 dimensional capacities bespeak of & presuppose both a physical world & an invisible, conscious one. And the inter-play between these 2 worlds, provides for the genesis of all cosmogony's & all religion.

People with open hearts & open minds know intuitively, that there's something more to us, than just the world 'out-there'.

You've never read a word about the ascent of man have you.
Not a word.
You assume all these easily explained evolutionary advantages we have are just miracles....ROFL.
Shame you've used your evolution advantage to devolve into a world of hocus pocus.

Our ancestors evolved opposable thumbs, came down from the trees and stood on two feet allowing us to roam the plains, learned to use tools with our opposable thumbs, harnessed fire and with light and warmth in the evening came everything you ascribe to gods including their existence, leisure time brought forth art, language, music, writing, wondering about our universe and our place in it, imagining up fictitious entities in books all came from these basic accomplishments.
Man made god because he had time to sit around in warmth and safety in caves.
Before that he was too busy just surviving the real world which evolution created and shivering in the dark, trying not to get eaten

As for the rest of your "presupposing" it's nothing but.
Average jaunty prose at best, with nothing but feelings as evidence.

 

[Long Live HFC]

athiests.

it's hard to take anyone seriously when they (repeatedly) misspell the object of their ire.

 

[Total Power]

People with open hearts & open minds know intuitively, that there's something more to us, than just the world 'out-there'.

Lol i dont think you will ever find a scientist or an atheist denying that. This is what theory is,, it is what it is, till it we find new information, thats why theories are never full proof facts. You lack of understanding of basic science is the problem, i highlighted this before you ignored it completely.

If you are going to make an idiotic argument like LG (cue his darwin genocide, and moon landing and 9/11 arguments), that we dont know where we come from hence god, then you are in the wrong thread. We are a product of billions of years of evolution. Humans just didnt pop into existence. There are tens and thousands of intermediate species. If you reserarch you can find Neanderthals were actually no less smarter or sophisticated than humans, the evidence for cognitive inferiority is just not there. Homo erectus for example had an approximate IQ of 53 for example and prior to that homo habilis had an IQ of 40. You can clearly the see the evolution of intelligence as it happened. But yeah its important to put the magic man in there cause you dont "how" it happened.

 

[Procrastinator35]

As for the rest of your "presupposing" it's nothing but.
Average jaunty prose at best, with nothing but feelings as evidence.

LOL....Nice turn of phrase.

Yeah, God damned feelings just keep on surfacing & getting in the way.....If only we could just reason them away.....Bloody humans won't conform to my evolutionary phrenological thesis.

 

[Total Power]

LOL....Nice turn of phrase.

Yeah, God damned feelings just keep on surfacing & getting in the way.....If only we could just reason them away.....Bloody humans won't conform to my evolutionary phrenological thesis.

You should read Michael Shermers "why people believe in weird things", conducted a thorough research on different belief systems and people are prone to that (not just god, but others as well).. great book.

The evolution of religions is very simple and can be explained easily. This is a famous experimented conducted in the 70's

 

[Pie eyed]

LOL....Nice turn of phrase.

Yeah, God damned feelings just keep on surfacing & getting in the way.....If only we could just reason them away.....Bloody humans won't conform to my evolutionary phrenological thesis.

I'm not at all surprised you would bring up phrenology.
Maybe you could read my aura, though I'm sure would not be familiar with the spelling.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I'm not at all surprised you would bring up phrenology.
Maybe you could read my aura, though I'm sure would not be familiar with the spelling.

....I knew you'd like it.

You're getting quicker on the draw than CM86.

 

[little graham]

The evolution of religions is very simple and can be explained easily. This is a famous experimented conducted in the 70's
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Thats pretty funny. one of the most ignorant things on religion ive ever seen, but really funny. What does that book say about your religious nutterism?

 

[jaaack]

something i have pondered- why do we have an appreciation for aesthetics/symmetry/beauty?

Two potential explanations I can think of:

1 - appreciation of art is the byproduct of a trait or combination of traits that have a more obvious evolutionary advantage

2 - appreciation of art is one set of means by which social hierarchy is determined and maintained, and a way for people to signal desirable traits to each other

 

[Total Power]

Thats pretty funny. one of the most ignorant things on religion ive ever seen, but really funny. What does that book say about your religious nutterism?

Looking at your posting history i am really surprised you believe in a god, i thought you would believe in alien conspiracy or something of that kind. Why on earth do you post here if you cannot back your claims up? the thing is not ignorant at all, it was an experiment conducted successfully which explained "group behaviour".

 

[Pie eyed]

Two potential explanations I can think of:

1 - appreciation of art is the byproduct of a trait or combination of traits that have a more obvious evolutionary advantage

2 - appreciation of art is one set of means by which social hierarchy is determined and maintained, and a way for people to signal desirable traits to each other

Far, far more pressing, important and bewildering is the male preoccupation with breasts.....

The fascination with symmetry is inbuilt, it's a fundamental of how we sum up suitability of mates.
The more asymmetrical the less desirable.

 

[Pie eyed]

Thats pretty funny. one of the most ignorant things on religion ive ever seen, but really funny. What does that book say about your religious nutterism?

Can you explain what about it you think makes it stand out from the other ignorant things you've seen about religion?

 

[M Malice]

Two potential explanations I can think of:

1 - appreciation of art is the byproduct of a trait or combination of traits that have a more obvious evolutionary advantage

2 - appreciation of art is one set of means by which social hierarchy is determined and maintained, and a way for people to signal desirable traits to each other

thanks for the answer, i had thought of the suitability as a mate factor for the physical beauty, and i am sure it comes down to a survival of the species thing. the beauty of nature ie. awe at the beauty of a landscape, that could be from an long ago need for a suitable habitat.

 

[Total Power]

thanks for the answer, i had thought of the suitability as a mate factor for the physical beauty, and i am sure it comes down to a survival of the species thing. the beauty of nature ie. awe at the beauty of a landscape, that could be from an long ago need for a suitable habitat.

Survival is everything, 95% of the species ever lived are extinct cause they couldn't survive (without human intervention) Funny those believe in creationism would like to think god killed them all. Why make them in the first place then? new species are popping into existence even now, i guess god's workshop is working overtime in Alpha Centauri

 

[Pie eyed]

thanks for the answer, i had thought of the suitability as a mate factor for the physical beauty, and i am sure it comes down to a survival of the species thing. the beauty of nature ie. awe at the beauty of a landscape, that could be from an long ago need for a suitable habitat.

Old school a good view meant a comfy place the poo!

 

[M Malice]

Survival is everything, 95% of the species ever lived are extinct cause they couldn't survive (without human intervention) Funny those believe in creationism would like to think god killed them all. Why make them in the first place then? new species are popping into existence even now, i guess god's workshop is working overtime in Alpha Centauri

I am sure a few on this board will say, god works in mysterious ways.

Us heartless heathens can not understand the profoundness of it all, it is ineffable you know. you know who i mean.

 

[Total Power]

I am sure a few on this board will say, god works in mysterious ways.

Us heartless heathens can not understand the profoundness of it all, it is ineffable you know. you know who i mean.

 

[jaaack]

If the Christian God is real, then it's ridiculous to hold him to your own moral standards. Pointing to supposed immoral actions of His hardly makes for a coherent argument against His existence.

 

[Total Power]

If the Christian God is real, then it's ridiculous to hold him to your own moral standards. Pointing to supposed immoral actions of His hardly makes for a coherent argument against His existence.

what moral standard is that? is killing of innocents like children right or wrong?

 

[jaaack]

what moral standard is that? is killing of innocents like children right or wrong?

If God created the universe, He created moral standards. Anything He does is by definition good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory

Or to put it another way, if you accept that He is real and therefore omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, why would you judge his actions by your own moral standards (unless you also are at the very least omniscient)?

 

[Total Power]

If God created the universe, He created moral standards. Anything He does is by definition good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory

Or to put it another way, if you accept that He is real and therefore omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent, why would you judge his actions by your own moral standards (unless you also are at the very least omniscient)?

So what moral standards are these? thou shall not kill, except when "he does it"?

 

[jaaack]

So what moral standards are these? thou shall not kill, except when "he does it"?

Are you intentionally misunderstanding me?

 

[Total Power]

Are you intentionally misunderstanding me?

Not at all, from your link above
"The theory asserts that what is moral is determined by what God commands, and that for a person to be moral is to follow his commands"

Then read the 10 commandments in the OT. Then i go read the OT, god violates his commandments straight away.

 

[jaaack]

Not at all, from your link above
"The theory asserts that what is moral is determined by what God commands, and that for a person to be moral is to follow his commands"

Then read the 10 commandments in the OT. Then i go read the OT, god violates his commandments straight away.

You understand that 'God' and 'a person' do not describe the same entity?

 

[Total Power]

You understand that 'God' and 'a person' do not describe the same entity?

So god can commit genocide when he wants?