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F1 Championship 2018 - Round 4 - Azerbaijan

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Moonwatcher said:
Whose debris did he drive over?
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No idea. Just saying that things would have been different without the safety car. Vettel wouldn't have locked up, Bottas would have pitted under green and been third and likely that any other car would have picked up that debris rather than the guy first on to the racing line in that section after a safety car.
 
Dan pulled the perfect move, opened up the inside, Max who knows the team will back him closes the hole with a double move and Dan has no hope to save the car.

This all but guarantee’s this is Dan’s last year at Red Bull, especially with Helmut already defending the spoilt brat.
 
The slo mo footage Anthony Davidson showed of the tire tapping incident is very telling. Literally shows Verstappen get control of his car after his lock up and then intentionally steer back into Ricciardo to squeeze him into the wall. The guy is a menace.
 
Runnin Blue said:
The slo mo footage Anthony Davidson showed of the tire tapping incident is very telling. Literally shows Verstappen get control of his car after his lock up and then intentionally steer back into Ricciardo to squeeze him into the wall. The guy is a menace.
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Disagree, remember the wind, quite easily could have felt a little slide
 

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Horner basically not acknowledging that Crashstappen was more at fault tells me Dan is already gone.
 
NotITK said:
Horner angry, but honestly, putting the blame 50/50! I’m an F1 fan before Ricciardo, so I don’t have Aussie Bias, but Jeez, you can’t do what Max did! The fact they won’t admit that it was brought on by Max, it’s telling....
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His and dear old Helmut's logic I think is that Dan should not race Max as aggressively as he races everyone else on the grid. With most other drivers, the dummy move he tried would have been respected (I don't think his tires that weren't fully up to temp would have held it to the corner anyway but that's academic), but with Max's proclivity for shifty/swervy defence, Dan should know it's a pretty good bet that what happened was going to happen, so from their perspective don't do it.

It doesn't solve the endemic issue of Max's recklessness over the long term, but I guess their logic is that if Ric leaves they can't afford to do anything that will lose such a talent that (at this point I think it's an overly optimistic perspective to take) mature in time. And publicly shaming him might do this.
 
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Gutted for Bottas. He did everything right in that race and thoroughly deserved the win. There were enough laps behind the safety car for someone to spot debris on the main straight, let alone for another driver to hit it first (not sure whose it was though, the wind might have blown it along).

Obviously most will disagree with me on this, but Ricciardo wasn't entirely blameless in that incident. Max changing direction was still on the straight which is fine its when you have a sudden move whilst braking where its against the rules. Max had already moved back to the left before the braking zone begun, so I would expect the stewards to see it as a racing incident. Max didn't have the awareness that Daniel was going to dummy down the inside, but thats hardly a hanging offence. I hope we don't get team orders going forward, but wouldn't be surprised if we do.
 

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Doc_ said:
Don't blame Horner, he's just following the bosses orders.
The real problem, dating back to Vettel and Webber has always been Marko.
He treats the team as his toy. He has favourites and doesn't take running the team seriously. Spoilt brat of the highest magnitude.
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I've said it before, but Mark Webber's autobiography was very scathing of Helmut Marko for this exact reason. Horner has always come across fairly level headed.
 
happy_eagle said:
Gutted for Bottas. He did everything right in that race and thoroughly deserved the win. There were enough laps behind the safety car for someone to spot debris on the main straight, let alone for another driver to hit it first (not sure whose it was though, the wind might have blown it along).

Obviously most will disagree with me on this, but Ricciardo wasn't entirely blameless in that incident. Max changing direction was still on the straight which is fine its when you have a sudden move whilst braking where its against the rules. Max had already moved back to the left before the braking zone begun, so I would expect the stewards to see it as a racing incident. Max didn't have the awareness that Daniel was going to dummy down the inside, but thats hardly a hanging offence. I hope we don't get team orders going forward, but wouldn't be surprised if we do.
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BS. The stewards will go to town on crashtappen for the triple move after so many prior indiscretions.
 
Doc_ said:
BS. The stewards will go to town on crashtappen for the triple move after so many prior indiscretions.
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Nothing wrong with a triple move if its on a straight. The rule is for moving under braking, not moving under straights.
As long as Max hadn't started braking before he darted left, he hasn't broken a rule.

Maybe I need to see the incident again, but I think Verstappen moved left to cut off Ricciardo just before the braking zone.
 

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