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Politics Fiji change flag...when will we follow?
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That proud tradition of British imperialism we should hold such reverence for.
Just because something is on a flag doesn't mean it has to be held in some kind of reverence.
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Change the flag when we become a republic until then leave as is
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Strangely Canada still has the monarchy.
Did the flag change abate the 'feeling' of 'need' to change?
Or has the whole Quebec vs The Rest thing prevented further changes?
Did the flag change abate the 'feeling' of 'need' to change?
Or has the whole Quebec vs The Rest thing prevented further changes?
Canada is in the same position as Australia and New Zealand - i.e. prosperous countries generally don't have much incentive to make big structural changes.
It's not much of a coincidence that the three Commonwealth constitutional monarchies outside of the UK with the highest standard of living in the 20th century have also had the least interest in becoming republics.
It's not much of a coincidence that the three Commonwealth constitutional monarchies outside of the UK with the highest standard of living in the 20th century have also had the least interest in becoming republics.
A new flag, like any national flag, needs to satisfy standard criteria - it needs to have a simple and easily reproducable design (no animals), no more than three colours and recognisable from afar especially any symbols. I would add it also needs to be uniquely recognisable as belonging to that nation. It's one of the reasons why I would change the current flag. It's just a British ensign flag with a token southern cross and federation star to make it "Aussie". Sorry I'm 100% Australian; not British! I'm a Tigers man but it reminds me of Don Scott holding up a Melbourne Hawks jumper in 1996 and when he ripped off the Hawthorn logo what was left was nothing Hawthorn. So I want a real unique Aussie flag to represent me and my country; not some token defaced British flag that with the Union flag in the canton means Britain still rules over us! It was apt in 1901 as we were a dominion of the British Empire - small, vunerable and highly dependent on Britain in an age where it tooks weeks if not months to communicate with the outside world. However it is now 2012 where the digital age has made the world closer to us. We are now our own unique nation, are our own unique people and have our own unique identity, values and voice - we are not a carbon copy of some other country. We are also now the 12th biggest economy in the world, our major ally is the USA, and we reside in the region of the Asia-Pacific where economic power is moving towards to and away from old Europe.
Having said all that, rehashing other flags such as the Eureka flag or Aborignal flag in some way won't work either; a new flag design needs to be new. The problem with most of the new designs floating around on the web however is that they don't satisfy all the above conditions either. They are either too busy, complicated and/or messy, with too many colours and/or have nothing on them to recognise them as belonging uniquely to Australia. For me a simple outline map of Australia, our island continent home, would be a symbol I would incorporate in a new flag. It would be something no other nation would have and the world would easily recognise it as our flag.
Having said all that, rehashing other flags such as the Eureka flag or Aborignal flag in some way won't work either; a new flag design needs to be new. The problem with most of the new designs floating around on the web however is that they don't satisfy all the above conditions either. They are either too busy, complicated and/or messy, with too many colours and/or have nothing on them to recognise them as belonging uniquely to Australia. For me a simple outline map of Australia, our island continent home, would be a symbol I would incorporate in a new flag. It would be something no other nation would have and the world would easily recognise it as our flag.
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Despite it being a bunch of miners of many nationalities, banding together, prepared to fight for a fair go? you don't find that admirable?
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They may have lived to regret it but for the most part it's been peaceful. They could have easily have fought and at least won in the short term. The American Indians at least tried to defend their way of life.
No ****ing chinks though. Damn slant-eyes were part of the problem, doncha know?
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They copped that everywhere at the time and a fair bit now too, don't see it as a deal breaker personally.
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You know that the Eureka Rebellion led to Victoria bringing in anti Asian immigration laws which were then brought to into federation?
There was a certain relevance in the flags presence at Cronulla.
Yeah, people ignore some of the more unsavoury outcomes of the riot. All the Eureka Stockade members really had in common is that they wanted to pay less money to the government. There was all sorts of rabble there and most of them were not devoted to anything much more lofty than their own wallet. It's been lionised to a ridiculous degree.
Peter Lalor was a great salesman.
Peter Lalor was a great salesman.
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OK, haven't read thread, be surprised if it hasn't been asked already but... why the **** would we want to "follow" some shit eating despotic third world dictator???
Can think of many reasons to change the flag but following Frank Barney Banana is NOT one of them
Can think of many reasons to change the flag but following Frank Barney Banana is NOT one of them
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Agree to disagree. It was obviously a more opressive situation for them to be willing to potentially lose their lives and take up arms against the troopers. Peter Lalor lost an arm, Great salesmen tend to make a profit yeah?
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This thread is about as dismal as i expected 
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Aware of it yep, not sure of the relevance to Cronulla though? Didn't know the Chinese were involved?
He used the Ballarat Reform League and the Stockade to create a nice shiny image for the rioters and himself, then parleyed it into a long parliamentary career where he relied on his heroic reputation to avoid scrutiny of his disgraceful voting record and dodgy business practices which ran counter to all the values he supposedly championed at Eureka.
So yeah, I think he profited rather handsomely.
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Fair enough Caesar, have to admit I didn't know as much about Lalor as i might've. Still beleive the Eureka stockade, or the motives behind it for most of the participants are worthwhile and would support it as our flag. Cheers.
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We need to change the flag as the Welsh are woefully unrepresented on the current one.
