News Finding the new Fev

[Pafloyul]

By the sounds of things we may need to use our first rounder for this fella. Apparently had another standout game today against the Queenslanders.

Yeah, maybe, you'd think he'd be there abouts considering he was overlooked last year.

 

[Silvagnis]

Can we draft a big midfielder (a Lewis or Corey not a midget like Rich) or a man mountain tall defender any time soon?

It's lunacy to not take the best available player with our first pick in the last uncompromised draft and reach for a player.

You just can't have enough class.

I'd rather we downtrade our first pick for a mature player like the Ray or Polak trades and a later first round pick if we want to draft for need...

I'm glad we kept pick six and didn't bring in O'Keefe.

 

[Pafloyul]

Can we draft a big midfielder (a Lewis or Corey not a midget like Rich) or a man mountain tall defender any time soon?

That depends on how the cards fall.

It's lunacy to not take the best available player with our first pick in the last uncompromised draft and reach for a player.

You just can't have enough class.

True but 'best available' probably has a different meaning for each club. It's not the best available with each successive pick but a tactical process to get the best group of young players to the club for Carlton's future.

I see it a different way to you, I'm thinking that because it is the last (semi) uncompromised draft it will probably mean that it will be the last time we can actually unearth any quality Key position players.

I'd rather we downtrade our first pick for a mature player like the Ray or Polak trades and a later first round pick if we want to draft for need...

I would too if it were possible.

I'm glad we kept pick six and didn't bring in O'Keefe.

Well, we had a chance to downsize with that deal too but that may be beside the point. You also can't honestly say that 'need' did not effect how we rated Yarran, at least subconsciously. You cannot help it or else we would be endlessly drafting midfielders with at least average skills who get the highest amount of possessions. It would be unsustainable after a while.

 

[mac25]

Can we draft a big midfielder (a Lewis or Corey not a midget like Rich) or a man mountain tall defender any time soon?

It's lunacy to not take the best available player with our first pick in the last uncompromised draft and reach for a player.

You just can't have enough class.

I'd rather we downtrade our first pick for a mature player like the Ray or Polak trades and a later first round pick if we want to draft for need...

I'm glad we kept pick six and didn't bring in O'Keefe.

l believe some people look at it in a different manner, if we look ahead three years from now, right now we have no young key forwards on our list, for us to have long term success we must find a one or even two young key forwards, and this year we may need to consider trading a early draft pick depending on the quality of player that we may be able to attract, it seems at this point this years draft is not going to be overly strong and it may be a opportunity to trade this year.

 

[Silvagnis]

That depends on how the cards fall.

Does it?

What's the difference between reaching for a key forward and drafting another player who we might need?: confused:

Is the forwardline more important than finding a gun who happens to play in the backline or midfield?

I don't see any difference.

Is it worth the risk to draft for need and have your recruiters possibly second guessing themselves because the team needs a forward?

Everyone who thinks they're going to get a Franklin and Roughead by picking talls might end up disappointed if they overlook a star. A few clubs may have overlooked players such as Clark, Ryder, Boak and Selwood because they drafted for need.

Is Jarrad Grant going to catch Cyril Rioli?

IIRC, you weren't happy that we picked Kennedy ahead of Pendlebury and a tall forward because of the latter's upside.

Does list structure beat talent now?

Will your opinion change if we draft a player to fill a need, yet another player develops into a star?

Take a look at how our selections with the PP and second rounder in the 2006 draft have panned out. Carlton needed a Grigg and Hampson as much as we need a Tippett

Pick the best available early and draft for need later if they're hard to split..

True but 'best available' probably has a different meaning for each club. It's not the best available with each successive pick but a tactical process to get the best group of young players to the club for Carlton's future.

I see it a different way to you, I'm thinking that because it is the last (semi) uncompromised draft it will probably mean that it will be the last time we can actually unearth any quality Key position players.

So this is the last chance we have to find a KPP?

The Gold Coast will want something in return, but they will not keep all their first rounders and have a squad full of 18 to 20 year olds for their first three years. If there is a glut of one type of player, we can always bite the bullet and trade a player for picks or in a straight swap to address a need on our list.

Look at how important Ottens and Mooney are to Geelong's structure.

The supporters will find it unpalatable for a while, but we know we made the right choice to trade out Kennedy and two picks for Judd.

Whilst keeping pick one.

Well, we had a chance to downsize with that deal too but that may be beside the point. You also can't honestly say that 'need' did not effect how we rated Yarran, at least subconsciously

I think we've always drafted the best available early.

Not sure about the Kennedy pick though...

The cards may have fallen our way in 2007 with Kreuzer who filled a need, but is well on track to be the best player selected in the 2007 draft.

You cannot help it or else we would be endlessly drafting midfielders with at least average skills who get the highest amount of possessions. It would be unsustainable after a while.

So the midfielder we end up will be average and unsustainable?

Yet the KPP won't be another Adam Hartlett, Ryan Willits, Luke Livingston or Jesse Wells?

Jordan Lewis>>>>Tom Williams.

 

[BlueFeaver]

Really there is no exact science in recruiting via the draft other than best player available, even then this can be a gamble just due to the complexities of human nature.

While we need to find the "new Fev" so to speak it should not be an absolute focus come the end of the season. We have put time and money into some players on our list that have not developed to their full potential due to a number of reasons outside of their control, what we don't want to do is to cull all these players and rob ourselves of any KP depth at all. Similar to recruiting we need to keep the players on our list that have more development in them and are committed to improving their game..............if we need to get rid of someone for say team structure we must trade these players for what ever their market value is.

All in all we are not going to find another Fev..........they are near impossible to find and require a lot of luck. What we need to do as a team is to create a succession plan of a forward structure with out him.
Who does that consist of?
There are a couple of likely types already on our list.

Waite,Walker,Betts,Garlett,Yarran,Kreuzer,Hampson and a long term prospect in Tiller.

Hopefully we can add another couple of likely types to the mix over the coming 1-2 years..............and who knows what some of those players we right off now deliver, it may be more than we ever imagined.

After all....thats what makes footy so great!

 

[jackoisno1]

We need to get Ben Griffiths. I know him and he is a gun swimmer too. He stands just under 200cm and he is one of those guys that were a pack of 6 that will go up in the goal square and be on his back after taking a sceamer. I believed he kicked 5 goals against NSW with only playing in the first half with a stiff groin.
Myles Pitt is underrated.

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

Matthew Panos looks like he's our man from footage of him.
i was really impressed with it. big mark and accurate kick.
loved the look of him, there is suprisingly a lot of video's of him on Youtube if you'd like to see.

 

[thylacine60]

We need to get Ben Griffiths. I know him and he is a gun swimmer too. He stands just under 200cm and he is one of those guys that were a pack of 6 that will go up in the goal square and be on his back after taking a sceamer. I believed he kicked 5 goals against NSW with only playing in the first half with a stiff groin.
Myles Pitt is underrated.

Carlton desperately needs a gun swimmer. Discuss.

 

[Silvagnis]

Matthew Panos looks like he's our man from footage of him.
i was really impressed with it. big mark and accurate kick.
loved the look of him, there is suprisingly a lot of video's of him on Youtube if you'd like to see.

Who let this lunchcutter into my building?

 

[mediumsizered]

Carlton desperately needs a gun swimmer. Discuss.

If games were still being played at Moorabbin or the Western Oval, maybe even the Lake Oval, a gun swimmer would have to be a priority for our recruiters.

 

[The Coach]

Carlton desperately needs a gun swimmer. Discuss.

Discuss - I will help by making it a picture chat

I think I have outdone myself Thy
- gun
- bikini (black and white for bushpie even )
- tatoo
- bikie

 

[Silvagnis]

Power forwards are a scarce commodity

The Cats spent plenty of time, energy and draft picks in their frustrating search for a key forward — only to discover, belatedly, that the grail lay within themselves, in the form of an untamed Cameron Mooney.

Tired of the carping criticism on K-Rock, the Cats did a review of past drafts, and reached the self-serving — but entirely accurate — conclusion that they had not really failed, because they'd had scant opportunity to land a quality tall forward.

Geelong's highest draft pick since the early 1990s had been No. 7, by which stage virtually every key forward of note — with less than a handful of fine-print exceptions — had been grabbed by another club.

The advent of two new teams that will have the lion's share of premium picks has ramifications for clubs in need of a power forward. Few clubs will have a crack any time soon, and some will have to devise alternative game styles, or become highly inventive in their recruiting.

It can be argued that midfield and defence are more important to winning than power forwards, as Geelong and West Coast circa 2005-6, have demonstrated. Key forwards, though, are harder to obtain, and as the scarcer commodity, they remain the diamonds of the draft.

Interesting article by Niall.

I doubt that there's a Mooney out there and waiting for the Blues to trade for him.

Or an Ottens who cost and won the Cats a premiership.

We have to hope that a Fitzpatrick or Griffiths slips to our first pick.

And Griffiths has as much luck as Selwood and Judd who had injury troubles as juniors.

Would Hill be worth a late pick like Justin Westhoff?

 

[zeeCFC]

calm down boys, fev has already chosen his next student

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

Who let this lunchcutter into my building?

mate, it's video footage. better than reading the odd post of 1 or 2 unsure lines of review made by other posters.

can you, the guru who doesn't mess around with amateur nonsense like youtube give me a better review of him than what those clips give?

 

[Silvagnis]

mate, it's video footage. better than reading the odd post of 1 or 2 unsure lines of review made by other posters.

can you, the guru who doesn't mess around with amateur nonsense like youtube give me a better review of him than what those clips give?

Calm down.

I was taking the piss because I wrote alot of crap based on Youtube highlights.