Interesting info. Where did it come from?
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Interesting info. Where did it come from?
Almost certain is a big call for a pure guess. A bit of Vader about a statement like that. Although he'd say, "the players have told Walsh they want VB and despite what the idiots around here think, he will be captain until 2018, when his spot in the best 22 is starting to not be a certainty"
Given that Walsh has said a couple of times that he will be making the decision about who's to be captain, I would find it odd that he has asked the players' opinions or that they would have volunteered them, unasked.
What makes you 'almost certain'?
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Didn't Walsh say the players would vote on the leadership group but he would pick the captain. So why would he ask - doubt it will be VB.
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No doubt that VB is popular with the playing group however I'm not certain that he meets Phil's "get the job done on game day" criteria
Well he has played in lots of positions, maybe he will like his versatility and not care that he's never nailed one of them.
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Phil"s Poster boy Captains are Glass and Boak because they get the job done on game day whereas VB finished 16th in 2013 B&F
opportunity for Phil to use a critical decision to send a statement of change to the players
One thing's for sure. We could really use Triggy's footy nouse and management experience to help us get this critical decision right. Has Fagan had his hand-over yet, hopefully it's not too late to get some wise counsel.
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I have a feeling that VB will go the way of Cassisi under Hinkley's tenure. Don't know why I think this and I hope for VB's sake he really turns his game around and gets a role which allows him to 'get the job done' on match days.
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Yeah I agree. If people think Dangerfield goes missing in games I hate to think how they would explain VB's game.
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16th in the B&F. We went to extreme's to prove the point that your captain doesn't have to be your best player, in fact, nowhere near it. Richie V would be proud.
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This was my point. Walsh said he was going to take the players wants under advisement but make the final decision himself - my feeling is that the players have unanimously backed VB, but Walsh is waiting to see if he's going to use VB at all during the year before making his final call, not wanting to give the captaincy to a player he says isn't in the best 22, but at the same time not wanting to hastily dump on a captain who has embodied the team first ethos more than anybody else currently on our list. I'm pretty sure if the players nominated Sloane/Walker/Talia/Dangerfield to Walsh it would have been announced already. The off field side of the club will want a captain in place in time for the 2015 membership drive.
It's also possible he's waiting for an evaluation from Glass, who was brought in to run the leadership program.
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Publicly the players support the incumbent. Privately to Walsh he might be hearing tex, sloane, danger and talia as much as he's hearing VB. Not that my view is that it matters. He's been at our club for the 1st half of 1 preseason. I don't tend to believe public utterances, however, when he says he wants to see the players perform in match simulation exercises before putting a name to the board, it makes a fair bit of sense to me. I don't think there is anything to be read into the delay or much reason to concern ourselves with the club wanting a captain named for the membership drive. Especially considering the waiting list which is currently active.
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Still think there are going to be some disappointed wishlisters.
Personally I hope Dangerfield's name is nowhere near the captaincy discussion, this year should have put a line through that without question, certainly for the next two years at least. He didn't handle half the burden well at all.
Personally I hope Dangerfield's name is nowhere near the captaincy discussion, this year should have put a line through that without question, certainly for the next two years at least. He didn't handle half the burden well at all.
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The captain doesn't have to be your best player.....
Macca was never captain
Nor was Scott Thompson when Goodwin retired.
Back at Geelong Jimmy Bartel and Gary Ablett weren't captains, Tom Harley and Cameron Ling were.
From what I've learned from the supporters of VB, most of the captaincy duties are not related to on-field. I think overall we weren't any worse on average for most of VB's years as Captain. What is it about Danger's off-field work that has you so concerned? I'm a Tex or Sloane fan myself, but am keen to have you isolate Danger's deficiencies.
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I have no idea about his off field work, nor does anyone else, but he's definitively not an on field leader of any great ability, which puts a line through him regardless of the ratio of off : on involved.
VB and Sloane definitively do lead on the field, as did Rutten. What is up for debate is whether or not Walsh thinks VB is a good enough player on his own merits to be in the first 22 every week. If he does, I'm pretty sure VB will stay captain - he leads on the field, by reputation he leads off it, he had enough backing from the players to be voted captain every year since Goodwin left, and of all our squad he most embodies the team first ethos that Walsh is a huge proponent of, supposedly what got Cheney a gig with us in trade.
My contention is that the delay and silence means that's exactly where we are now - still waiting for Walsh to make that decision.
He didn't? Not going to give him any slack for carrying injuries for a big chunk of the season and still playing?
How is he less of an onfield leader than VB?
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No, because he kept sticking his hand up every week despite those injuries limiting him badly. Sanderson takes the blame for selecting him, but Dangerfield bears some responsibility for his selfishness. I also don't recall him doing nearly as much of the get around stuff as Sloane did on the ground.
Dangerfield is a selfish player by nature; it's not necessarily a bad thing, especially not in star players, but it's not a trait for a captain.
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The captain doesn't have to be your best player.....
Macca was never captain
No but has to get the job done consistently
No doubt he thought he was helping the team by putting his hand up every week. That's a ridiculous criticism and it's on Sando for playing him if he was too injured.
It's a matter of opinion if he is a better player without the captaincy I personally put his inconsistency last year down to injury.
