If we look at the ruck as our problem we are jumping at shadows and ignoring the systemic problems. Vardy is our no4 fill in ruck - we have to endure short term problems in this area
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2. West Coast's problems are deep-seated
Teams with legitimate premiership aspirations don't concede the final five goals of the game to a team that has won just one of its past four games and is down to two fit men on the bench. However, that's just what the Eagles did against Collingwood in one of the more deflating defeats of coach Adam Simpson's tenure. One statistic told the story. In the final quarter, the Eagles lost the contested ball count 16 to 38, with Luke Shuey, Andrew Gaff, Matt Priddis and Dom Sheed not winning a contested possession between them in that time. All four are fine players but the challenge presented to those midfielders is obvious, particularly when they are away from home and have everything to play for. - Peter Ryan
My god that is absolutely disgusting reading
Oh well, i think bringing in Wellingham and Marsden in this week for Nelson and Duggan will solve everything
Teams with legitimate premiership aspirations don't concede the final five goals of the game to a team that has won just one of its past four games and is down to two fit men on the bench. However, that's just what the Eagles did against Collingwood in one of the more deflating defeats of coach Adam Simpson's tenure. One statistic told the story. In the final quarter, the Eagles lost the contested ball count 16 to 38, with Luke Shuey, Andrew Gaff, Matt Priddis and Dom Sheed not winning a contested possession between them in that time. All four are fine players but the challenge presented to those midfielders is obvious, particularly when they are away from home and have everything to play for. - Peter Ryan
My god that is absolutely disgusting reading
Oh well, i think bringing in Wellingham and Marsden in this week for Nelson and Duggan will solve everything
We are soft mentally it's not funny, wether it is off field or on field. Against a team down on numbers in the last quarter we get out scored 5 goals to 1. We had a myriad of chances to win, but we are weak mentally on field and it is both senior and junior players, when the heat goes on. We are good for 10 minute bursts in games and that is about it now. I'm not sure you can change the mindset of this group, it has been like this for a while, too many times we have seen what occurred yesterday in the last quarter to think it's going to change
1 Yeo misses an absolute soda
2 Jetta kicks around a corner rather than having a conventional shot, he was trying to hit up Darling in the goal square with Dunn hanging off him.
3 Kennedy has a regulation shot from about 45 out slight angle and could not even score. I know he'd been good all day, but gee he has to kick them, and it's not the first time it has happened for him in games
4 Hurn handballs to Barrass and then watches him get run down without even a hint of a shepperd.
5 Nelson trys to take players on when it was fairly obvious what was going to happen.
6 Duggan getting caught was a brain fade.
It's understandable that the last two would be in this predicament, when the senior players on field show zero leadership when the heat is on, and at least they were trying to do something, however miss guided it was.
We then have a MC that keeps picking guys with runs on the board, who are so far out of form it's not even funny anymore, just embarrassing, playing an out dated game plan that has been found out.
We are so far off the pace right now, it's not funny, only two teams have won less games than us in the last ten , and that is the Blues who are playing a bunch of kids, and North who pretty much are in a rebuild. We have won the same amount as Freo, Lions and GC in the last ten, three games, but our genius coach and club think we are right in this, please wake up and smell the roses you are sniffing Simmo, because they ******* stink. If anyone thinks we are chance to cause some heat even if we fluke it into the eight they are living in some sort of mystical fantasy land.
The even sadder thing is that, we don't have a lot to look forward to coming through in the WAFL from what i can see, we have a bunch of guys who have had numerous chances at AFL level , who quite clearly are not going to get better or make us better (Hill-Wellers-Masten), and the rest. We have some kids who are unproven, because they can't get a chance , whilst our MC persist with players who have runs on the board. Partington is going ok at WAFL level, but let's be honest the WAFL, ain't that great of a competition anymore, and the AFL is a massive step up, plus has he got what we need-speed, from what i've read he hasn't, so what sort of an upgrade will he be ?, the others with potential are always injured- Venables-Rioli who seems to have a huge amount of hype based on his surname.
So this year is a wash and we look to next year, we are chomping at the bit for Nic to come back and change the team, we are expecting a guy who is perennially injured in the last few years coming off a knee reco to be our saviour, most players take a good year to get anywhere near their past output after a knee reco, only have to look at Macca for proof of that. It is going to be a long few years for our club i fear, as we seem to have failed in the draft of recent times. The kids we have coming through are going to take a while to get up to the level required, that's if they even get played, because remember our club thought it was a good idea to sign up a player for another year, who is clearly cooked. I don't see what changes next year from this year in all honesty, because i fear our MC will go through next year with the same thoughts of this year, rather than realising this group is done.
I walked out of yesterday's game saying i don't care, expected it, but the more i thought about it, i do care, i will for ever support this club, i just wish the club would get back to what made us great in the 90's a hard edge with a take no prisoners attitude on and off the field. We seem to be happy producing good people and making a truck load of money, forgetting what footy is all about, and that is winning and tasting the ultimate success, yes we may not be all able to play at the highest level, but it does not mean we as supporters do not enjoy the thrill of a premiership any less than the guys on field. I hope we can get back to those days again, but it may be a while.
{ rant over }
1 Yeo misses an absolute soda
2 Jetta kicks around a corner rather than having a conventional shot, he was trying to hit up Darling in the goal square with Dunn hanging off him.
3 Kennedy has a regulation shot from about 45 out slight angle and could not even score. I know he'd been good all day, but gee he has to kick them, and it's not the first time it has happened for him in games
4 Hurn handballs to Barrass and then watches him get run down without even a hint of a shepperd.
5 Nelson trys to take players on when it was fairly obvious what was going to happen.
6 Duggan getting caught was a brain fade.
It's understandable that the last two would be in this predicament, when the senior players on field show zero leadership when the heat is on, and at least they were trying to do something, however miss guided it was.
We then have a MC that keeps picking guys with runs on the board, who are so far out of form it's not even funny anymore, just embarrassing, playing an out dated game plan that has been found out.
We are so far off the pace right now, it's not funny, only two teams have won less games than us in the last ten , and that is the Blues who are playing a bunch of kids, and North who pretty much are in a rebuild. We have won the same amount as Freo, Lions and GC in the last ten, three games, but our genius coach and club think we are right in this, please wake up and smell the roses you are sniffing Simmo, because they ******* stink. If anyone thinks we are chance to cause some heat even if we fluke it into the eight they are living in some sort of mystical fantasy land.
The even sadder thing is that, we don't have a lot to look forward to coming through in the WAFL from what i can see, we have a bunch of guys who have had numerous chances at AFL level , who quite clearly are not going to get better or make us better (Hill-Wellers-Masten), and the rest. We have some kids who are unproven, because they can't get a chance , whilst our MC persist with players who have runs on the board. Partington is going ok at WAFL level, but let's be honest the WAFL, ain't that great of a competition anymore, and the AFL is a massive step up, plus has he got what we need-speed, from what i've read he hasn't, so what sort of an upgrade will he be ?, the others with potential are always injured- Venables-Rioli who seems to have a huge amount of hype based on his surname.
So this year is a wash and we look to next year, we are chomping at the bit for Nic to come back and change the team, we are expecting a guy who is perennially injured in the last few years coming off a knee reco to be our saviour, most players take a good year to get anywhere near their past output after a knee reco, only have to look at Macca for proof of that. It is going to be a long few years for our club i fear, as we seem to have failed in the draft of recent times. The kids we have coming through are going to take a while to get up to the level required, that's if they even get played, because remember our club thought it was a good idea to sign up a player for another year, who is clearly cooked. I don't see what changes next year from this year in all honesty, because i fear our MC will go through next year with the same thoughts of this year, rather than realising this group is done.
I walked out of yesterday's game saying i don't care, expected it, but the more i thought about it, i do care, i will for ever support this club, i just wish the club would get back to what made us great in the 90's a hard edge with a take no prisoners attitude on and off the field. We seem to be happy producing good people and making a truck load of money, forgetting what footy is all about, and that is winning and tasting the ultimate success, yes we may not be all able to play at the highest level, but it does not mean we as supporters do not enjoy the thrill of a premiership any less than the guys on field. I hope we can get back to those days again, but it may be a while.
{ rant over }
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Exactly.
Allowing 1 player to continually fade and make mistakes is a player issue.
When the whole team does it and continually coughs up games we should win it's a coaching issue.
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worst game i have seen in ages. everything about the game apart from JK is what i hate about modern footy.
glad we lost. winning might have looked like plastering over the cracks for a while. we have lots of cracks. our midfield blows
glad we lost. winning might have looked like plastering over the cracks for a while. we have lots of cracks. our midfield blows
Oh, and after that performance, i can see why Simmo wants to play Priddis. Him and Redden are the only Eagles players who have tackle ability! I see why Simmo is scared to end Priddis' time in the team with weak t-rex arm players running around. that last quarter....how many miss tackles were there?
in saying that, Priddis needs to go and we need to learn how to tackle. perhaps he can be our tackle coach?
in saying that, Priddis needs to go and we need to learn how to tackle. perhaps he can be our tackle coach?
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Yeo kicks the goal and we win, and a win covers all manner of sins, but a loss in this manner magnifies those same sins. It was a bad miss but one kick doesn’t lose you the game.
We are right to all be severely disappointed, but let’s keep some perspective, supporting a footy team doesn’t mean turning on them so viciously when things get tough. Comment, critique, and even criticise but remember we are still all in this together!
My comments on the match would be as follows; playing the kids is crucial! Very few players make any meaningful contribution in their first 30-40 games, so the quicker we get a few guys to that mark the better. Yeah Duggo had a brain fade in the last but he is very much on the upswing and will be a very good player very soon. I hope the same will be for Barry, Cole and Sheed too. The midfield can be good, but the mix is just not right at the moment. Hutch and Shuey are all heart and must be the bedrock even if they can be a bit up and down. You then figure out what elements you need from there and then choose players based on requirements, not reputations.
There is clearly a mental side to our fade outs, but we are not on our own in that regard, eg. North, Richmond etc have all had the same issues this year. I still have faith in the Club, but I think we need just a bit more ruthlessness at all levels. We win this match and the Melbourne match and we are fifth, surely that shows we are not that far off.
We are right to all be severely disappointed, but let’s keep some perspective, supporting a footy team doesn’t mean turning on them so viciously when things get tough. Comment, critique, and even criticise but remember we are still all in this together!
My comments on the match would be as follows; playing the kids is crucial! Very few players make any meaningful contribution in their first 30-40 games, so the quicker we get a few guys to that mark the better. Yeah Duggo had a brain fade in the last but he is very much on the upswing and will be a very good player very soon. I hope the same will be for Barry, Cole and Sheed too. The midfield can be good, but the mix is just not right at the moment. Hutch and Shuey are all heart and must be the bedrock even if they can be a bit up and down. You then figure out what elements you need from there and then choose players based on requirements, not reputations.
There is clearly a mental side to our fade outs, but we are not on our own in that regard, eg. North, Richmond etc have all had the same issues this year. I still have faith in the Club, but I think we need just a bit more ruthlessness at all levels. We win this match and the Melbourne match and we are fifth, surely that shows we are not that far off.
agree
we need to look at the big picture. Simmo tends to give guys who have 'points on the board' more time than they deserve, when realistically, they need to be dropped to the reserves to work on their glaring deficiencies. Also, we seriously have a pretty bare cupboard (injuries dont help) and there is not much at East Perth that can slot in. on the plus side, very happy to see Rioli and Waterman playing for East Perth reserves on the weekend
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The glaring obvious is our midfield was smashed all night.
Our forwards and defenders are quality but if you get smashed in the guts all game it's eventually going to impact the scoreboard.
In reality their poor kicking at goal made us look better than we were for most of the game.
Our forwards and defenders are quality but if you get smashed in the guts all game it's eventually going to impact the scoreboard.
In reality their poor kicking at goal made us look better than we were for most of the game.
I can't think of another team that relies so heavily on a handful of elite key position players (Kennedy, Nic Nat, Gov) to do the hard work and bail them out. The contested possession numbers in the final quarter are surely undeniable evidence that too many are unwilling to work hard enough
or unable. Lets face it Priddis wants to but he cant get past a walk speed these days and is being left behind but again we see him trotted out and given time in the middle.
You can defend Vardy all you like and yes he has overachieved as far as injury and draft position go;but my God her has the WORST body language ive seen on a footballer.Hangdog comes to mind.Near the end of games he cant seem to find one iota of energy to chase or get involved in a nearby contest.Cripps ditto! Throw in Gaff who other than running a million miles a game but cant seem to find the energy to lay a tackle and Priddis who is a great tackler but cant catch anyone,and Sheed who dies at the end of games and that tells most of the story,oh.and did Lecras play yesterday??
Sheed seems to have 4th quarter fade outs a lot, probably tank related, which is hurting us because of the sheer lack of contested ball winning ability of the rest of our mids.2. West Coast's problems are deep-seated
Teams with legitimate premiership aspirations don't concede the final five goals of the game to a team that has won just one of its past four games and is down to two fit men on the bench. However, that's just what the Eagles did against Collingwood in one of the more deflating defeats of coach Adam Simpson's tenure. One statistic told the story. In the final quarter, the Eagles lost the contested ball count 16 to 38, with Luke Shuey, Andrew Gaff, Matt Priddis and Dom Sheed not winning a contested possession between them in that time. All four are fine players but the challenge presented to those midfielders is obvious, particularly when they are away from home and have everything to play for. - Peter Ryan
My god that is absolutely disgusting reading
Oh well, i think bringing in Wellingham and Marsden in this week for Nelson and Duggan will solve everything
Shuey ain't a reliable contested player, Gaff is even less of a contested player and Priddis is cooked.
This is why I keep banging on about us needing to prioritise a specialist inside mid at the draft.
Shuey is a reliable contested player( looks at last season and early season form) but i seriously think there's something wrong with him. Maybe that collapsed lung rumour might have some truth to it.
Edit: shuey till that rumour came about had his best quarter as his last quarter, so there is something really wrong with him.
What rumour? Any substance to it other than Shuey's performance?
I go back to our last GF. Except for 2-3 players they flew the white flag and we had to sit and watch (at a high cost) a mental disintegration for 3 quarters. Many of our list are not up to the contest and never will be.
It can be no coincidence that our drafting and talent identification resulted in this outcome.
It can be no coincidence that our drafting and talent identification resulted in this outcome.
I say unreliable because while Shuey is definitely capable of winning the footy and bursting through packs, I feel as though this is always a bit of an extra gut effort from him rather than something he will do game in, game out.
He is 100% more comfortable and effective when he's the one receiving the footy outside of packs.
I don't think he has the body to play that inside role all of the time. And I kind of think he's wasted playing that role anyway. He should be out in space.
Regardless, it's definitely clear that he's not 100% at the moment and this is just exacerbating things further.
16 CP in the last quarter and none from our prime midfielders is an abomination
Outside of his first 6-7 games, Shuey has had a pretty disappointing season. Not at all what i thought he was going to deliver this year.
He might be carrying something, but majority of players are this time of year.
He might be carrying something, but majority of players are this time of year.
I can remember back in Woosha's time I think, we got in an ex Rugby player purely to teach the players how to tackle!
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We need players that can get the contested ball and are able to explode with pace out of those congested situations. Having the ability to be both inside and outside players. Shuey is pretty much the only player that we have that does that (Yeo perhaps to but he is more suite to a HB role). We need to get Shuey help in this regard so he is not the only one doing the heavy lifting.
Most disappointed since the twilight of the Worsfold coaching era in 2013.
After going 4 goals down in the last, Buckley went for broke and played +2 off the defensive side of stoppages at the expense of his back flankers.
What was our coaching response? Did we make sure our half forwards remained accountable and ran back defensively rather than being seagulls? Did we send Yeo into defence to act as a marking spare? Did we take a key tall off the ground for a additional runner to commit to the stoppages?
No we did nothing, not a single change. Just sat back and watched as Collingwood simply blocked at the stoppage and moved the ball to their defensive side where they had unmarked extra numbers and spread from there.
It's hard for any midfield to be competitive when they are outnumbered so comprehensively at every stoppage, let alone one like ours which is especially vulnerable to opposition spread.
This only adds to my opinion that Simpson is a great coach on the training field but is terrible on gameday.
The responsibility for this result lies with him. Some simple changes early in the last would have ensured another victory in Melbourne against a team that has had it over us in recent history.
I rate Buckley as the worst coach in the league by some margin. Simpson just got out-coached by Buckley.
After going 4 goals down in the last, Buckley went for broke and played +2 off the defensive side of stoppages at the expense of his back flankers.
What was our coaching response? Did we make sure our half forwards remained accountable and ran back defensively rather than being seagulls? Did we send Yeo into defence to act as a marking spare? Did we take a key tall off the ground for a additional runner to commit to the stoppages?
No we did nothing, not a single change. Just sat back and watched as Collingwood simply blocked at the stoppage and moved the ball to their defensive side where they had unmarked extra numbers and spread from there.
It's hard for any midfield to be competitive when they are outnumbered so comprehensively at every stoppage, let alone one like ours which is especially vulnerable to opposition spread.
This only adds to my opinion that Simpson is a great coach on the training field but is terrible on gameday.
The responsibility for this result lies with him. Some simple changes early in the last would have ensured another victory in Melbourne against a team that has had it over us in recent history.
I rate Buckley as the worst coach in the league by some margin. Simpson just got out-coached by Buckley.
