Religion Folau

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's a remarkable situation that Folau has engineered for himself. He picks the fight and yet he's managed to pitch himself as the victim and those punching back as the bullies.

That's actually pretty standard these days. Surprised you're surprised.

 

[Echoes]

We’ve got camps with kids locked up, government raiding media, actual nazis in the senate, and its 2 private companies choosing not to platform a bigot that elicits anti fascist pearl clutching?

Actual nazis?

 

[Opine]

Congratulations on completely missing my point. And not just missing my point, actually reinforcing my argument. Kudos.

Well, given I’m nowhere near as sharp as you, not many of us are, what precisely is your underlying point; other than your dislike of Folau the person, your point is somewhat ambiguous.

 

[Monkey King]

The ARU is a private organisation, and along with its sponsors is free to promote its own values.

By way of comparison, Christian schools and the Christian Right in this country demand the power for religious educational establishments to dismiss teachers that don’t live private lives in accordance with the tenets of the particular sect that controls the school.

Yes. They are teachers. In a Christian school. Is it not obvious that people charged with such a position be expected to follow the doctrine upon which the institution itself was founded? Meanwhile, Folau’s beliefs have zero impact on his duties as a professional athlete, nor upon the founding principles of the ARU. It’s a poor analogy.

The idea that sinners go to hell isn’t one Folau just came up with. It’s not a belief held only by Christians either. So it really comes down to a question of religious tolerance. Are people allowed to believe in these religious doctrines? And if yes, are they allowed to publicly express their beliefs?

I’d say a “no” to either of these questions is a scary proposition.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Ah yes, the Chinese legal system is currently extremely well renowned for its deity free promotion of civil rights.

Not apart of this discussion, next you’ll do the whole “atheism is responsible for more deaths than religion” fallacy.
Go on do it, do it?

 

[Monkey King]

Wrong.
They fell into line with the secularists, well after the writing was on the wall.

Who were the secularists that led abolition?

 

[Monkey King]

Well, no.

If you're convinced you can disprove an accepted scientific theorem, go right ahead, and see how you go.

Not sure how you extracted that from my post. Nonetheless, scientific theorems are constantly refined and sometimes disproven; particularly within the social sciences. Do you have anything particular in mind?

 

[quotemokc]

Lol.
Societies were formed and created using logic and reason well before the Torah bible and quran.
The Chinese built their civilisation without the need for deities and were far superior to the Mid East, so to the Greeks and Romans, Mesopotamians, Sumerian’s etc etc.
The Abrahamics just stole everything they valued and reinterpreted it full of hate and bigotry.
Thanks for trying though.

All these ancient civilizations had their version of gods

 

[Crankitup]

Fair Work Commission concilliation conference starts 9:30 am tomorrow. Lawyers will be present for both sides which is unusual for this early stage.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/wor...-of-conciliation-hearing-20190626-p521hr.html

 

[CheapCharlie]

We’ve got camps with kids locked up, government raiding media, actual nazis in the senate, and its 2 private companies choosing not to platform a bigot that elicits anti fascist pearl clutching?

Think of the children!

 

[GuzzLG]

Fair Work Commission concilliation conference starts 9:30 am tomorrow. Lawyers will be present for both sides which is unusual for this early stage.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/wor...-of-conciliation-hearing-20190626-p521hr.html

Sounds expensive

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Not sure how you extracted that from my post. Nonetheless, scientific theorems are constantly refined and sometimes disproven; particularly within the social sciences. Do you have anything particular in mind?

No, I'm not saying science is infallible. I grasp that scientific beliefs are updated or discarded, when they are proven to be false.

I'm just saying if you think science is just as screwy as religion, go ahead and disprove an accepted scientific theorem.

Otherwise, don't go saying science is just as screwy as religion.

And as I pointed out, it's a false equivalence anyway.

The really risible thing about elevating religious "belief" is that any old idiot can "believe" in something that is fundamentally unprovable.

That is why slowly but surely, science is gaining the ascendancy in human orientation.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Well, given I’m nowhere near as sharp as you, not many of us are, what precisely is your underlying point; other than your dislike of Folau the person, your point is somewhat ambiguous.

I think the poster was pointing out that fiercely-stated religious prohibitions in various prized and loved texts are conveniently retired or reintroduced from time to time through history. I don't think even you dispute that.

So someone thumping the bible and saying it is the infallible word of god is not really arguing from a very convincing position, are they?

 

[Gough]

That's actually pretty standard these days. Surprised you're surprised.

I suppose that it's the same mentality that allows some to complain of a leftist takeover of this country despite nearly a quarter century of almost uninterrupted conservative governments here and that absolutely everything bad that happened to this country happened in the six years of Labor rule.

 

[Goosecat]

Fair Work Commission concilliation conference starts 9:30 am tomorrow. Lawyers will be present for both sides which is unusual for this early stage.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/wor...-of-conciliation-hearing-20190626-p521hr.html

If this landmark case goes the full 15 rounds it will definitely be millions.

 

[Balls In]

A whole lot of Christophobia on display round here. Is that a new word we can add alongside Islamophobia, homophobia etc? Or is this particular phobia not a thing? Perhaps theres a sliding scale of obias where one trumps the other and/or renders it invalid? Please help I'm so confused.

 

[Gough]

I'd have voted for Fr. Rod Bower if I could have done.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A whole lot of Christophobia on display round here. Is that a new word we can add alongside Islamophobia, homophobia etc? Or is this particular phobia not a thing? Is there a sliding scale of obias where one trumps the other and/or renders it invalid? Please help I'm so confused.

Don’t be confused. It’s your permanent persecution complex leading to these erroneous opinions.

 

[Goosecat]

A whole lot of Christophobia on display round here. Is that a new word we can add alongside Islamophobia, homophobia etc? Or is this particular phobia not a thing? Is there a sliding scale of obias where one trumps the other and/or renders it invalid? Please help I'm so confused.

Ahh stop, i can feel my Phobophobia kicking in

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

It's gays. I don't know whether Jesus's dick once moved when he saw a man in a speedo but for some reason the church is super untight about us.

There is a prevalent theory that Jesus was gay

 

[Gough]

There is a prevalent theory that Jesus was gay

I prefer Still's idea that Jesus Christ was the first non violent revolutionary. Mind you that could have been the coke talking, it was a long time ago.

 

[Sainteric]

Actually I’d say the list he “condemned to hell” would make up the majority by a fair way.

Idoltary includes all your Catholics and eastern orthodox churches.

The pope and the patriarch of Constantinople have released a joint press statement condemning Izzy and he can no longer choose to play for the Swiss guard 15 or the Varangian Vikings

 

[skilts]

It’s clear to me that you’re pursuing the high your getting from conflict itself; suspect that, for you, gay rights are just a vehicle for conflict. Your not really interested in achieving equality, your get off on the intimidation.

Why don’t you think about what the fork you really want to get out of this situation. At present all your doing is baiting for conflict.

And it's obvious to me that you have been (metaphorically, of course) bent over and royally rogered by a superior intellect, who has read more than one book. You really must clean up the spelling you use for you're, your etc. It makes you even more incomprehensible than usual.

 

[Sainteric]

Yet the same people who sympathise with Izzy have no compassion when gay people are sacked from Christian organisations when their sexuality is made known.

Now your stretching it

 

[Opine]

I think the poster was pointing out that fiercely-stated religious prohibitions in various prized and loved texts are conveniently retired or reintroduced from time to time through history. I don't think even you dispute that.

So someone thumping the bible and saying it is the infallible word of god is not really arguing from a very convincing position, are they?

I certainly don't dispute that. Furthermore, that is precisely where I believe the opportunity for common ground resides.

The validity of any text is as sound as the level of human understanding at the time it was penned; which is why I don't believe that a religious doctrine should reside in a biblical text, but rather in a religious body entrusted with the ongoing development and understanding of that doctrine. In that scenario, in much the same way as Australia's constitution developed to implicitly influence expressed text, so could, and should, religious doctrine.

The point I've been making is that it is more constructive to influence the implicit aspects of a religious doctrine, than to attack and belittle the existence of that doctrine altogether.