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Isaac Cumming No 1 said:
Actually it's very possible to dispute any war has been caused by Religion. Even the Crusades were essentially Western Europeans disturbing a surprisingly harmonious relationship between Muslims and orthodox Christians in the middle East.The fact that crusaders sacked a christian Constantinople suggests religion had little to do with it.
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The people at the top always have money to fall back on. The people bellow only have their beliefs to fall back on.
 

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RUNVS said:
At some point you need to take responsibility for your own actions. "I am racist because my parents are racist" may be a legitimate excuse for an 11 year old, but it isn't an excuse for a 30 year old.
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He wasnt being racist. He is expressing believes that arent taught by 11 year olds.
 
It's an interesting social dichotomy that it is socially acceptable that some minorities are supported, whilst others are disparaged all based on the prevailing social narrative.

Vegans X
Muslims /
Anti-Vaxxers X
Sexuality /
Colour /

I am not saying either of these are wrong by the way, just interesting.

Equally one man from one religion holding views seen as out of date is pilloried for days - and that whole religion is questioned. Yet a neighbouring nation from can bring in draconian laws from a separate religion, laws that cause death for many of the things discussed in this thread - and this gets half a day of disinterest and that religion is protected from criticism.
 
Tayl0r said:
Because I have a brain and make my own mind up rather than jumping on group mob bandwagons.
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Hey, look you are technically correct - we can't know his true motivations. But it's is irrelevant, as soon as he put his thoughts out there, we read motive into them - sucks to be him if he has been poorly misunderstood, but maybe he should become a better writer before putting his bullshit out there on a public forum.

What do you reckon?
 
snitzel said:
Its a religion. the guy doesn't have a choice
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Religion isn't a choice?
He's a grown adult, dealing with the consequences of his actions. You don't get a free pass simply because of belief.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
It's an interesting social dichotomy that it is socially acceptable that some minorities are supported, whilst others are disparaged all based on the prevailing social narrative.

Vegans X
Muslims /
Anti-Vaxxers X
Sexuality /
Colour /

I am not saying either of these are wrong by the way, just interesting.

Equally one man from one religion holding views seen as out of date is pilloried for days - and that whole religion is questioned. Yet a neighbouring nation from can bring in draconian laws from a separate religion, laws that cause death for many of the things discussed in this thread - and this gets half a day of disinterest and that religion is protected from criticism.
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Tu quoque.

It means look over there, this is a false equivalence argument.
 
Isaac Cumming No 1 said:
The troubling thing for me in this thread us how people are willing to consent to their own enslavement.
The implications are very obvious if your employer can define your private value system.

Mock him sure his views are offensive, but until he calls for witch hunts ir tries to incite violence by ither means that's the right response.
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the company hasnt defined his private belief system. they have merely said that he is not to spout insulting/descriminatory crap while he represents them.

i dont understand how this is so hard to grasp by some people.
 
Ricketz said:
Yeah, it's a cancer that validates bigot strangers who read it. He isn't some random, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing here.
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Do you believe in his comments and will now follow in the same path? Probs not, neither will I or bob over there. Who gives a shit.
 

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Ricketz said:
Hmm, you seriously don't understand why the homosexual inclusion is significant.

I will answer you questions here if you correctly answer mine - what is different about homsexuality that separates it from all those other acts of sin?
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Weren't you ever told not to answer a question with a question.

Drunks - getting drunk in itself isn't illegal unless you break a law whilst under the influence.
Homosexuals - being homosexual isn't illegal.
Adulterers - adultery under our laws in Australia isn't illegal.
Liars - is some situations telling a lie is illegal, in other situations it isn't.
Fornicators - fornicating mostly isn't illegal unless it includes underage people or people under your care / control.
Thieves - stealing is illegal
Atheists - being an atheist isn't illegal
Idolators - being an idolator isn't illegal

I can't answer your question, what's the difference between homosexuality and the rest of them? Tell me, I'm interested in what you think it is.

I don't live my life wondering if I'm sinning or have sinned or not. I pretty much just operate on right and wrong as much as I can.
 
theyellowsash said:
the company hasnt defined his private belief system. they have merely said that he is not to spout insulting/descriminatory crap while he represents them.

i dont understand how this is so hard to grasp by some people.
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They've limited it, cleariy and are insisting on controlling it.
It's not complicated, why are you struggling?
 
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Ricketz said:
Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. There is no right to spread hate messages under the guise of religious freedom.

Religious freedom means you can practice your religion as long as it doesn't adversely affect others who don't have your particular belief system.

If religious people cannot figure that out, they can bugger off to a non-secular country.
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Yeh fair point I can see where your coming from. Ironically he probably falls under the extreme (like most of the religious fanatics do), I still just have issues with calling it spreading hate, he's just practicing what an outdated text has spoken about. Ironically again though, the premise of the faith he is professing is actually based around "love one another" as the commandment above all others.
 
Ricketz said:
Hey, look you are technically correct - we can't know his true motivations. But it's is irrelevant, as soon as he put his thoughts out there, we read motive into them - sucks to be him if he has been poorly misunderstood, but maybe he should become a better writer before putting his bullshit out there on a public forum.

What do you reckon?
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I think your assumption of motives cheapens the entire debate, pushing someone into an established box for convenience really helps someone not hear a message or another point of view, it's dangerous.

Not in this circumstance but it's the exact same response to political opinions. Something challenges your preconceptions and that's scary, you might need to look at whether you need to change, or you can label the person making you uncomfortable as something that affords you the luxury of discounting their opinion and moving on in life without facing a truth.

Using words like "hate" to drama up some disapproval of a behavior or attitude has cheapened the word and inflamed the tensions.
 

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theyellowsash said:
he does have the freedom of religion and the free ability to preach his faith. he hasnt been put in jail. that doesnt give him freedom of consequence for his actions which are inspired by that belief though.

unless you think christians should have the freedom to execute people who work on sunday because thats a part of their religion.
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That bolded part is obviously nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking specifically about him preaching verbatim from the Bible, his religious text, not going out and stoning people to death for sinning.
 
Herne Hill Hammer said:
Weren't you ever told not to answer a question with a question.

Drunks - getting drunk in itself isn't illegal unless you break a law whilst under the influence.
Homosexuals - being homosexual isn't illegal.
Adulterers - adultery under our laws in Australia isn't illegal.
Liars - is some situations telling a lie is illegal, in other situations it isn't.
Fornicators - fornicating mostly isn't illegal unless it includes underage people or people under your care / control.
Thieves - stealing is illegal
Atheists - being an atheist isn't illegal
Idolators - being an idolator isn't illegal

I can't answer your question, what's the difference between homosexuality and the rest of them? Tell me, I'm interested in what you think it is.

I don't live my life wondering if I'm sinning or have sinned or not. I pretty much just operate on right and wrong as much as I can.
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Homosexuality, sexual preference is not a wilful choice. That is why it has been singled out for discussion.
 
Mofra said:
Religion isn't a choice?
He's a grown adult, dealing with the consequences of his actions. You don't get a free pass simply because of belief.
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People are raised in different ways. Stop the churches from teaching the children then.
 
mauricerioli said:
The 30-year-old was slammed for calling on “drunks, homosexuals, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists and idolaters” to repent for their sins or else “hell awaits” them.

It's bad enough that he attacks homosexuals, but he's crossing a line when he attacks drunken, lying fornicators.
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Indeed. The homosexuals got off lightly.

I was insulted thrice.
 
Ricketz said:
Tu quoque.

It means look over there, this is a false equivalence argument.
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Actually - it's not an argument at all - just a social observation

Interestingly I would hold similar social views (not to folau to be clear).
 

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