Religion Folau

[Echoes]

Good point.

Are you saying that words from influential people, or people in positions to reach wider audiences, can have a strong influence on others due to their opinions and words?

No, I don’t think the names you mentioned are ‘inspirational’ enough to get someone to go into a mosque guns blazing and shoot a bunch of Muslims, if that’s where you are going with this.

The fear and anger caused by seeing Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack, combined with the anger and frustration as a result of politicians and media refusing to allow an open and honest discussion on the issue, on the other hand.

This is what the Jacinda Ardern’s of this world don’t get. If you allow a reasonable and open discussion on an issue, that’s what you will get.

If you deny people’s right to have free and open discussion, you drive that discussion underground (the Internet). Then Jacinda tries to censure that. These morons can’t see there own culpability in the looming war ahead.

 

[CM86]

Folau believes he is repeating the message of the bible , the message of his religion.
Folau doesn't just target homosexuals, he targets a variety of actions and behaviours of men and women through his postings
He has received inordinate publicity and public discourse over his posting, focusing only on the homosexual part. Even though he was sending out the message to the already convinced and converted, a message that has been interpreted from the bible, that he believes in and is widely published and has been for hundreds of years.

Clem targets men as a group. The sins of one man is the sins of all men.
She seeks to influence her audience with constant criticism of men and linking men to all the woes in her world. It is misandry without disguise.
Yet, she receives support and acceptance from the feminist community

Seems like a lot of people on their soapboxes about a social media post from a dumb as a door knob rugby player are happy to give a free pass to far more bigoted behaviour from someone presenting their educational credentials as evidence their opinion should be accepted

Don't you find these obvious double standards odd?

So we should ignore one, but not the other.

Do you think your position and excuses have anything to do with your ideology?

I don't think anyone should have heard from Ford. I don't think she should have been given a position to reach thousands. A lot of what she did/does has an adverse affect on a lot of people.



You seem to paint Folau as an unthinking victim, and Ford as an attacker. I think both can't be ignored, and their words have a detrimental effect on society.



Have you ever supported Folau before this?

Folau believes he is repeating the message of the bible , the message of his religion.

Where does the bible ever mention homosexuals?
How is 'homosexuals... Hell awaits you' "the message of his religion"?

 

[CM86]

No, I don’t think the names you mentioned are ‘inspirational’ enough to get someone to go into a mosque guns blazing and shoot a bunch of Muslims, if that’s where you are going with this.

The fear and anger caused by seeing Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack, combined with the anger and frustration as a result of politicians and media refusing to allow an open and honest discussion on the issue, on the other hand.

Not even close to where I was going. Strange that you did...

Also, I used the word 'OR', in order to avoid limp responses like yours.


What media is refusing to allow open and honest discussion???

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Folau believes he is repeating the message of the bible , the message of his religion.
Folau doesn't just target homosexuals, he targets a variety of actions and behaviours of men and women through his postings
He has received inordinate publicity and public discourse over his posting, focusing only on the homosexual part. Even though he was sending out the message to the already convinced and converted, a message that has been interpreted from the bible, that he believes in and is widely published and has been for hundreds of years.

Clem targets men as a group. The sins of one man is the sins of all men.
She seeks to influence her audience with constant criticism of men and linking men to all the woes in her world. It is misandry without disguise.
Yet, she receives support and acceptance from the feminist community

Seems like a lot of people on their soapboxes about a social media post from a dumb as a door knob rugby player are happy to give a free pass to far more bigoted behaviour from someone presenting their educational credentials as evidence their opinion should be accepted

Don't you find these obvious double standards odd?

I find Folau's obvious double standards odd.

A heavily tattoo'd man he conveniently omits what Leviticus says about that particular matter. Perhaps all of the homosexuals that reside in hell will have that discussion with him when he arrives.

 

[Aussie in exile]

No, I don’t think the names you mentioned are ‘inspirational’ enough to get someone to go into a mosque guns blazing and shoot a bunch of Muslims, if that’s where you are going with this.

The fear and anger caused by seeing Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack after Islamic terror attack, combined with the anger and frustration as a result of politicians and media refusing to allow an open and honest discussion on the issue, on the other hand.

This is what the Jacinda Ardern’s of this world don’t get. If you allow a reasonable and open discussion on an issue, that’s what you will get.

If you deny people’s right to have free and open discussion, you drive that discussion underground (the Internet). Then Jacinda tries to censure that. These morons can’t see there own culpability in the looming war ahead.

If any Muslim thinks he going to go to heaven and met by 72 virgins by committing a terrorist attack he's totally deluded.

 

[CheapCharlie]

I find Folau's obvious double standards odd.

A heavily tattoo'd man he conveniently omits what Leviticus says about that particular matter. Perhaps all of the homosexuals that reside in hell will have that discussion with him when he arrives.

Folau believes in a fictitious character.
You dont need to go past that for odd

 

[CM86]

Folau believes in a fictitious character.
You dont need to go past that for odd

Current Australian PM...

 

[CheapCharlie]

So we should ignore one, but not the other.

Do you think your position and excuses have anything to do with your ideology?

I don't think anyone should have heard from Ford. I don't think she should have been given a position to reach thousands. A lot of what she did/does has an adverse affect on a lot of people.



You seem to paint Folau as an unthinking victim, and Ford as an attacker. I think both can't be ignored, and their words have a detrimental effect on society.



Have you ever supported Folau before this?



Where does the bible ever mention homosexuals?
How is 'homosexuals... Hell awaits you' "the message of his religion"?

I said interpreted from the bible and im not a religious scholar.
That his post was derived from a bible passage seems generally accepted.

You are trying to compare apples and oranges with Folau and Ford. You have stretched it as far as u can.

 

[CM86]

I said interpreted from the bible

Folau believes he is repeating the message of the bible

The message of his religion.

That his post was derived from a bible passage seems generally accepted.

You did say that, after you'd posted all of the above...

He posted a meme... Who generally accepts that as a derivation of the Bible???

You are trying to compare apples and oranges with Folau and Ford. You have stretched it as far as u can.

I've tried to make you agree that words with a far reach have an effect on our society.
Imagine your sporting hero pointing out that you're going to hell for how you were born... The worst possible punishment in the 'heroes' view...

Folau doesn't just target homosexuals, he targets a variety of actions and behaviours of men and women through his postings

He sure did.

He has received inordinate publicity and public discourse over his posting, focusing only on the homosexual part. Even though he was sending out the message to the already convinced and converted, a message that has been interpreted from the bible, that he believes in and is widely published and has been for hundreds of years.

And you've just called anyone who has view like him, as odd.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Hope Folau goes the legal route and takes RA to the cleaners. They’re a basket case anyway. But I suppose there’s always Allan Joyce to bail them out, seeing they’ve done his bidding.

 

[aflfootyfanatic]

Hope Folau goes the legal route and takes RA to the cleaners. They’re a basket case anyway. But I suppose there’s always Allan Joyce to bail them out, seeing they’ve done his bidding.

Alan Joyce, what a pussy.

 

[skilts]

Here here.

Where? Where?

 

[Echoes]

Alan Joyce, what a pussy.

I hope Qantas has deep pockets and is prepared to bankroll Rugby in this country moving forward, because Alan Joyce’s little line in the sand moment, very possibly just financially killed the code in this country.

Was it really worth this over a dumb meme?

 

[Gough]

Hahahaha. $4 million over 4 years and all he had to do is keep his self righteous gob zipped and keep scoring those tries he could only manage half of that. What an enormous plonker he is.

 

[CheapCharlie]

You did say that, after you'd posted all of the above...

He posted a meme... Who generally accepts that as a derivation of the Bible???

I've tried to make you agree that words with a far reach have an effect on our society.
Imagine your sporting hero pointing out that you're going to hell for how you were born... The worst possible punishment in the 'heroes' view...


He sure did.
And you've just called anyone who has view like him, as odd.

You dont make any points here.

I consider you odd too, but so what?

Yes its his religious interpretation. My words and you trying to twist them make no difference to his words or intention and it is folau we are focusing on here.

As for the sporting hero line again what does that mean? Just because someone has a sporting hero that doesn't mean that person has to direct them for their moral values in life and their self worth and if anything it is a good example to people to realise that sporting heroes are fallible and have a range of differing opinions on different subjects

 

[Echoes]

Hahahaha. $4 million over 4 years and all he had to do is keep his self righteous gob zipped and keep scoring those tries he could only manage half of that. What an enormous plonker he is.

It’s ok.

Rugby Australia will just have to pay out Israel another way.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I think its fair to say that what little chance we had of winning the world cup has gone.

 

[Echoes]

I think its fair to say that what little chance we had of winning the world cup has gone.

Let’s be real, even with Izzy, we had no chance anyway dude.

 

[Jibroni]

Allan Joyce will have to bend further to pay out his contract. Sacked for quoting christian scripture, seriously?

 

[Echoes]

Allan Joyce will have to bend further to pay out his contract. Sack for quoting christian scripture, seriously?

Welcome to free speech 2019.

Fail to heed the Christchurch Call at one’s own peril.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Let’s be real, even with Izzy, we had no chance anyway dude.

Well i think it was a case Slim and no chance and slim's just left town

 

[Echoes]

Well i think it was a case Slim and no chance and slim's just left town

Israel should just go play for Tonga, or would Alan Joyce put a block on him doing that? Would try and put a block on him picking up a mid week part time night shift at 7/Eleven at this point I suspect.

This has all become so embarrassingly personal for our little Irish mate. Can only hope it’s the beginning of the end of his corporate career in Australia.

 

[aflfootyfanatic]

All I hear is bullshit from RA and alan joyce it's ridiculous, the minute this scandal came up 'freedom of speech' was thrown out the window.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Israel should just go play for Tonga, or would Alan Joyce put a block on him doing that? Would try and put a block on him picking up a mid week part time night shift at 7/Eleven at this point I suspect.

This has all become so embarrassingly personal for our little Irish mate. Can only hope it’s the beginning of the end of his corporate career in Australia.

If we are honest this is all about sport tying up with the corporate's and the corporate's calling the tune which they do.
We as a game are no different to any other sport as regards that.
We are at the behest of conglomerates.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Israel should just go play for Tonga, or would Alan Joyce put a block on him doing that? Would try and put a block on him picking up a mid week part time night shift at 7/Eleven at this point I suspect.

This has all become so embarrassingly personal for our little Irish mate. Can only hope it’s the beginning of the end of his corporate career in Australia.

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Folau will go and play a sport which offers him the most money, so in his case it will be playing union in Japan or France, because we wont sign him again not even as a PR exercise and Rugby League here or Europe wont sign him not only for his wage demands but also the real risk of losing sponsors.