Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Mr Ripper]

We had it 30 years ago when Malcolm Blight coached Geelong

That was when most teams generally played an attacking brand, so it wasn't so out-of-the-box. If someone attempted it now...

 

[Grasshopper17]

That was when most teams generally played an attacking brand, so it wasn't so out-of-the-box. If someone attempted it now...

Yeah it's interesting how right now everyone thinks it's Collingwood...

Collingwood are #8 for scoring (ie bog average) and #1 for defence. It's basically the exact opposite of Bazball. Don't let their peaks fool you... They have plenty of troughs as well.

 

[MacMum]

All I've heard about in recent days is bazball...

...what on earth is Bazball?

 

[M Malice]

All I've heard about in recent days is bazball...

...what on earth is Bazball?

Fast scoring in Test Cricket, England have a new coach who has implemented a new daring game style, seems to be working, they are winning a lot.

 

[MacMum]

Thanks

 

[western royboy]

All I've heard about in recent days is bazball...

...what on earth is Bazball?

"Bazball" is a name given to the approach adopted by sides coached by former Kiwi International and noted T20 Player Brendon McCullum ie. he is Baz.

McCullum was at the forefront of T20 attack from ball one and discarded the traditional approach to batting. He scored the fastest double century in Test Cricket and as he got older he gave less regard to conventions.

Now as coach of England and with a willing accomplice as Captain in Ben Stokes, they have adapted this to Test Cricket with to this date stunning results. They aim to score extremely quickly and attack at all costs, preferring attacking daredevils to the traditional test match batsmen, which tend to be more conservative. The press love it so everything is "Bazball" this "Bazball" that.

In order to accommodate this, the pitches in England have been dialled down from their traditional green seamers to barren roads to negate any sideways movement and allow the Bazballers to come out and swing hard from ball one. Last evening, Joe Root, the former England Captain and one of the last true traditional Test Match technique players attempted a ramp shot on the first ball of the days play, which defied his normal style and any form of conventional approach to batting. He missed and narrowly avoided being bowled. But a few balls later he played it again and again with the result being a 4 and a 6, in between was a glorious on drive that was straight out of the coaching manual.

This approach makes the current series intriguing from many angles.

 

[MSB ROYS]

In order to accommodate this, the pitches in England have been dialled down from their traditional green seamers to barren roads to negate any sideways movement and allow the Bazballers to come out and swing hard from ball one. Last evening, Joe Root, the former England Captain and one of the last true traditional Test Match technique players attempted a ramp shot on the first ball of the days play, which defied his normal style and any form of conventional approach to batting. He missed and narrowly avoided being bowled. But a few balls later he played it again and again with the result being a 4 and a 6, in between was a glorious on drive that was straight out of the coaching manual.

This approach makes the current series intriguing from many angles.

Hope it backfires in this series!

 

[martinson]

Hope it backfires in this series!

On the usual pitches you'd get in England for an Ashes series they'd struggle to make 100 trying to do the things Root was doing.

On the way this pitch has been uncharacteristically prepared it's line ball but seeing they're not batting last setting a target if you can usually works.

 

[Lazza16]

Hope it backfires in this series!

Playing weatherball at present

 

[BuntonRules]

On the usual pitches you'd get in England for an Ashes series they'd struggle to make 100 trying to do the things Root was doing.

On the way this pitch has been uncharacteristically prepared it's line ball but seeing they're not batting last setting a target if you can usually works.

I would say they are only doing what India do, but this is a footy forum.

 

[martinson]

I would say they are only doing what India do, but this is a footy forum.

The Saints used to have the sprinklers going all night at Moorabin

 

[royboy2]

id probably prefer it if sheezel wins so the insufferable north fans arent crowing about how he was robbed for the entire off season

Funny thing is I reckon Wardlaw is better anyway

 

[CarterS]

How good was Willmot and Robbo on 360 discussing Pepsi Max.

 

[Section 5]

These long deals can backfire.
.................
Crows young gun Josh Rachele has signed a monster contract extension with the club until the end of 2029.

Already contracted at West Lakes until 2024, Rachele, 20, added another four years to his deal in one of the longest contracts in the AFL.

Only Sydney’s Nick Blakey

22

Nick Blakey

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.4

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

7.2

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.2

3star

(signed until 2031), Carlton’s Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

and Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

(both signed until 2030) have longer deals.
......................................................

Crows young gun Josh Rachele signs long-term deal until 2029

Crows star pens monster AFL deal to continue club’s key retention spree

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[M Malice]

These long deals can backfire.
.................
Crows young gun Josh Rachele has signed a monster contract extension with the club until the end of 2029.

Already contracted at West Lakes until 2024, Rachele, 20, added another four years to his deal in one of the longest contracts in the AFL.

Only Sydney’s Nick Blakey (signed until 2031), Carlton’s Harry McKay and Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver (both signed until 2030) have longer deals.
......................................................

Crows young gun Josh Rachele signs long-term deal until 2029

Crows star pens monster AFL deal to continue club’s key retention spree

www.foxsports.com.au

Eric Hipwood contracted to the end of 2029, Josh Dunkley 2028.

 

[Section 5]

Footy legend Malcolm Blight says the time has come for the AFL to ditch the tackle.

The AFL continues to be worried about concussions with the sling tackle currently a major focus.

Blight outlined his reasons why the tackle could be creeping towards its death with a number of statistics he pulled together.
...............

Footy legend's stunning call for the AFL to ditch tackling

The AFL is cracking down on head knocks.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Section 5]

Eric Hipwood contracted to the end of 2029, Josh Dunkley 2028.

I know.
And we have a long way to go for those two.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Footy legend Malcolm Blight says the time has come for the AFL to ditch the tackle.

The AFL continues to be worried about concussions with the sling tackle currently a major focus.

Blight outlined his reasons why the tackle could be creeping towards its death with a number of statistics he pulled together.
...............

Footy legend's stunning call for the AFL to ditch tackling

The AFL is cracking down on head knocks.

www.sen.com.au

Tackle numbers are so high because players are trained to accept the tackle as there's only a negligible chance of a holding the ball penalty. No holding the ball penalty means more ball ups, which means more congestion, which means more tackles.

A simple reversion in holding the ball interpretation would cure so many of football's ills.

Having said that, I can easily see the AFL outlawing arm-pinning tackles, as addressing the symptoms rather than the cause is their usual go-to.

 

[Nathan Barley]

AFL will be like Touch Rugby in years to come.

Just ridiculous where this game is going and solely attributing the few suicides and other issues to do with head knocks playing footy. Don't play then and all the while I heard just the other day that footy is tougher than ever before; yeah right, give me a break.

What about all the players who's careers are cut short due to concussions?

We've had several recently

Wouldn't mind those guys being able to finish their careers on their own terms at the expensive of the game going 'soft'

 

[M Malice]

Tackle numbers are so high because players are trained to accept the tackle as there's only a negligible chance of a holding the ball penalty. No holding the ball penalty means more ball ups, which means more congestion, which means more tackles.

A simple reversion in holding the ball interpretation would cure so many of football's ills.

Having said that, I can easily see the AFL outlawing arm-pinning tackles, as addressing the symptoms rather than the cause is their usual go-to.

Would it be worth trialling getting rid of prior opportunity?... if you take possession of the ball you must get rid of it via a legal disposal or it is holding the ball, would likely lead to a lot more tap ons/kicks off the ground/punches forward resulting in a lot less tackles.

You will never get rid of all risk though, some form of risk should be the price you voluntarily pay if you decide to partake in any "risky" activity eg. Formula 1, bull riding, mountain climbing etc. The sports that get me though are boxing and MMA where one of the objectives is to punch/kick/elbow your opponent in the face as hard as possible... one of the methods of winning is to purposefully give your opponent a severe concussion via a knockout.

 

[Dom PC]

It's so bizarre to me that UFC, boxing etc. can seem to still exist/flourish and yet for a contact sport like AFL, which people willingly sign up for can't accept there is a risk there will be incidental contact with your head.

I am not saying the AFL shouldn't try to mitigate the chances of it happening. But something like getting tackled to the ground is just part and parcel of playing contact sports like AFL.

I also struggle to see how a former player could successfully sue the AFL for damages for two reasons. 1 - AFL is in its nature a very physical sport and there is very clearly an implied acceptance of risking injury from choosing to play the game as a career 2 - Unless the AFL actively and knowing mislead players around their injuries, I'm not sure what more could be expected from a sporting body? It's not like every player didn't have access to free health care (physio/doctors).

The code has got to avoid jumping at shadows and changing the fabric of the sport as a result.

 

[Nathan Barley]

They played the game before they even got anywhere close to the AFL knowing the risks, the same as any NFL player, boxer, mma fighter etc.

From a fan POV though. Do you think we should be doing more to allow these players to play for longer?

 

[Section 5]

I don't see the AFL going radical and banning the tackle as Blight has suggested.
But they will continue to crackdown on sling tackles. The quicker players adjust the less likely they miss games.

AFL is not really a game of high tackle numbers especially if you extract the number of tackles that happen when a player goes to ground.

At a guess i think the majority of bad concussions would occur in body/head clashes of some type.

 

[briztoon]

They played the game before they even got anywhere close to the AFL knowing the risks, the same as any NFL player, boxer, mma fighter etc.

Most likely they started playing the game when they were kids and had almost no understanding of the potential “dangers” involved in the game.

Or a genuine understanding of the potential long term consequences of some of the potential injuries.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Another problem is when either the tackler or the ball holder considerably lower their centre of gravity (lose balance or drop their knees). If the tackler doesn't let go, there is only one way the players can go.