Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[Nathan Barley]

I am so far removed from being a traditionalist, but still think the weight of a player is important.
However, if players weights are taken from all sites i will not lose any sleep over it.
I just don't understand their logic in doing so, in what is a contact sport for elite sports people.

Without being certain i believe all players returning to preseason training would have to weigh in.
If clubs believe it is important why can't the supporters know should they wish to glance at the weight.
The listed weight may be not quite accurate, but it would be fairly close.

Fans pay money for the Record and Season Guide to read about the players.

If weight is not important because you can "get an idea""by looking at them" so is their height. So, why not get rid of that too.

Weight and height is very different

Much smaller range and weight fluctuates week on week and over the course of a game

We don't have a right or need to know all the physical and.lifestyle choices of players that could effect their performance

 

[Nunez]

The world has gone crazy and I bet it’s more to do with the AFLW because god forbid anyone can call any of them fat or overweight, which many are. I mean seriously when has a male players weight really been that much of an issue aside from say Fev at times or Whale Roberts or even one of the indigenous boys whose name escapes me that regularly came back in the off season unfit.

It really is insane how soft and precious younger people s feelings are these days.

Lol yeah let's blame the women

 

[Mr Ripper]

Published players' weights have long been a nonsense.

 

[Section 5]

Weight and height is very different

Much smaller range and weight fluctuates week on week and over the course of a game

We don't have a right or need to know all the physical and.lifestyle choices of players that could effect their performance

I am not talking about their lifestyle choices.
Players put back on weight after a game fairly quickly.
I also doubt it varies much from round 1 to round 23 barring a long-term injury.

Going just on the Lions listed players comparing the % increase on the shortest and lightest to the tallest and heaviest.

Height: Zorko 175cm - Henry Smith 206cm. So, Smith is 17.7% taller than Zorko.
Weight: Sharp 76kg - McInerney 110kg. So, McInerney is 44.7% heavier than Sharp.

This actually shows height has a smaller range than weight.

 

[Jivlain]

I am not talking about their lifestyle choices.
Players put back on weight after a game fairly quickly.
I also doubt it varies much from round 1 to round 23 barring a long-term injury.

Going just on the Lions listed players comparing the % increase on the shortest and lightest to the tallest and heaviest.

Height: Zorko 175cm - Henry Smith 206cm. So, Smith is 17.7% taller than Zorko.
Weight: Sharp 76kg - McInerney 110kg. So, McInerney is 44.7% heavier than Sharp.

This actually shows height has a smaller range than weight.

Your weight will vary by several kgs over the course of a week even if you're not a pro athlete. Mostly just depends how much water you've got in your system at the time. Your height is more or less constant once you stop growing.

 

[Dom PC]

It's a bizarre decision and it does take away a little bit of useful information for AFL fans.

Look at the info on Hipwood vs Hawkins and you'd not know without watching the game that one is a hulk and the other a giraffe.

If the AFL is so concerned about people's privacy. I hope they aren't collecting or retaining fans/members information in any way shape or form.

Its an annoying decision for me. But I'll live.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I am not talking about their lifestyle choices.
Players put back on weight after a game fairly quickly.
I also doubt it varies much from round 1 to round 23 barring a long-term injury.

Going just on the Lions listed players comparing the % increase on the shortest and lightest to the tallest and heaviest.

Height: Zorko 175cm - Henry Smith 206cm. So, Smith is 17.7% taller than Zorko.
Weight: Sharp 76kg - McInerney 110kg. So, McInerney is 44.7% heavier than Sharp.

This actually shows height has a smaller range than weight.

Yeah not sure what I meant with that comment

Players tend to get smaller over the season because they don't spend as much time in the gym

Hence why half of the list always starts preseason looking jacked

 

[Grasshopper17]

Cornes weird thinking at it again.
He suggests the Lions go even smaller in the forward line and drop Hippy.
Leave Jo surrounded by smalls and medium smalls, and we will be better in 2024 in his opinion.
Apart from Lohmann i don't know who he thinks we have playing in the VFL to take Hippy's place.

Maybe he forgot Jo actually goes into the ruck.
Cornes was an all-Australian selector so you would think he was aware of this fact.
It might make a little more sense if he mentioned we would need to add a 2nd ruck to cover that issue, but he did not.

So Cornes must want Lohmann for Hippy and no 2nd ruck when Jo does ruck relief. That then gives us 6 small forwards.
Or even though he did not mention it Fort/Smith/Lane for Hippy.

Why the Lions should consider going small inside 50 in 2024

“Something a little more unique.”

www.sen.com.au

Weird thinking eh? Or maybe he just stumbled on this analysis from September

 

[Grasshopper17]

Cornes again but story confirmed.
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Editor of the AFL Record and the AFL Season Guide Ash Browne confirmed the change was a league directive.

“Yeah it’s true. It’s a new AFL policy to not reveal player weights – I’m just a messenger here, by the way. This was an AFL decision,” Browne said.

“They’ve decided in this day and age it is inappropriate for weights to public matter, in a publication like the Season Guide.

“The world has gone so soft”: AFL to no longer reveal player weights, declares it inappropriate

“They’ve decided in this day and age it is inappropriate for weights to public matter.”

www.sen.com.au

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At this point in time player weights both men and women are still listed on club sites under Teams.
So, maybe it will only be in the Season Guide and Game Day Record.

It is the AFL so it's a wild guess as to the reasoning behind this decision.

If anyone does get the book, I'll be interested to know what Tom Doedee's height is quoted as. It seems to fluctuate wildly depending on the source.

 

[Grasshopper17]

We don't have a right or need to know all the physical and.lifestyle choices of players that could effect their performance

I'd argue that paying supporters and members of the club actually do have that right. Much in the same way that shareholders of a company listed on the ASX have the right (enshrined in law) and expectation of receiving regular reporting on the performance of the company, not to mention the remuneration of its key personnel.

 

[dlanod]

Pretty sure Fev and Relton Roberts were both listed as the same weight for every year of their career, which tells you all you need to know about how it was a load of shit in the first place and anyone clutching their pearls over it might as well get upset that fairy tales don't always start with "once upon a time".

 

[Nathan Barley]

I'd argue that paying supporters and members of the club actually do have that right. Much in the same way that shareholders of a company listed on the ASX have the right (enshrined in law) and expectation of receiving regular reporting on the performance of the company, not to mention the remuneration of its key personnel.

It's really not the same though.

 

[dlanod]

I'd argue that paying supporters and members of the club actually do have that right. Much in the same way that shareholders of a company listed on the ASX have the right (enshrined in law) and expectation of receiving regular reporting on the performance of the company, not to mention the remuneration of its key personnel.

The shareholders don't generally get to find out who the best salesman or most productive coder and their metrics though, or how many sick days they might have had, etc.

 

[rye]

clubs will continue to weigh players anyway. the people outraged at this seem to think that the pressure to maintain fitness and standards will be lessened by this change whilst ignoring the fact that the players employer has a very vested interest in insuring they meet their weight and fitness goals.....

 

[Dalions]

If anyone does get the book, I'll be interested to know what Tom Doedee's height is quoted as. It seems to fluctuate wildly depending on the source.

Doubt he is any taller than 190 after a photo I saw of him and Payne the other day. He made Payne look like a giant, which I know he is but the size difference in all areas was (shall I say) noticeable.

 

[BuntonRules]

Good read. Mitch Robbo to the point, as usual.


Treated as ‘product’: new AFL and AFLW players shown how to cope with gambling fallout

 

[Grasshopper17]

It's really not the same though.

No, you're right. When you buy shares on the ASX, 100% of your money goes to whoever you bought the shares off, and 0% of it goes to the company whose shares you now own.

When you buy tickets to home games or a membership, a large % of your money goes directly to the club. So on that basis supporters/members have even more right to these sorts of details pertaining to key personnel than shareholders.

The shareholders don't generally get to find out who the best salesman or most productive coder and their metrics though, or how many sick days they might have had, etc.

I guess it depends on your measure of who is key personnel. I'd argue (pretty strongly) the players at a football club are, much like directors and executives of a listed company, the most important people at that organisation.

I see Charlie Comben is on the same page. I don't have much of an idea about his football ability, but he's certainly setting himself up for a media career once he hangs up the boots. He will probably get a rap on the knuckles from the AFL or the AFLPA for this and told to stay in line. Which makes it all the more impressive.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I'd argue it's softer to list the players weights. Cornes makes the argument that as a commentator he uses the weights to identify mismatches between players. Well if he can't do that by looking at the players themselves, he's not worth his salt as a commentator.

I get that player's physical conditions are their business and the club's, but are they the public's business? I'll argue till I'm blue in the face that even height is a somewhat useless stat.

I can't remember a decision by the AFL that I've cared less about.

 

[Nathan Barley]

No, you're right. When you buy shares on the ASX, 100% of your money goes to whoever you bought the shares off, and 0% of it goes to the company whose shares you now own.

When you buy tickets to home games or a membership, a large % of your money goes directly to the club. So on that basis supporters/members have even more right to these sorts of details pertaining to key personnel than shareholders.


I guess it depends on your measure of who is key personnel. I'd argue (pretty strongly) the players at a football club are, much like directors and executives of a listed company, the most important people at that organisation.

I see Charlie Comben is on the same page. I don't have much of an idea about his football ability, but he's certainly setting himself up for a media career once he hangs up the boots. He will probably get a rap on the knuckles from the AFL or the AFLPA for this and told to stay in line. Which makes it all the more impressive.

Sorry this is a touch ridiculous.

We don't even get useful information from the GPS club but you want them to keep their draft weights on their website?

And purchasing a ticket to attend their games entitles you to that and more?

 

[Nunez]

So explain why the issue around female athletes weight is such a sensitive topic when clearly overweight ones weight is actually discussed or worst yet there excess weight can’t be criticised like when years earlier a male athlete carrying extra pounds is rightly criticised?

All seems coincidental to me and another of these ridiculous topics to protect the many snowflakes out there.

I honestly can't reply to something so thoughtless and ignorant. Do better McIvor.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Sorry this is a touch ridiculous.

We don't even get useful information from the GPS club but you want them to keep their draft weights on their website?

And purchasing a ticket to attend their games entitles you to that and more?

GPS details would indeed be very interesting. Good idea.

 

[Section 5]

Pretty sure Fev and Relton Roberts were both listed as the same weight for every year of their career, which tells you all you need to know about how it was a load of s**t in the first place and anyone clutching their pearls over it might as well get upset that fairy tales don't always start with "once upon a time".

You have just shattered my childhood.
I will need therapy now. Will BF pay for it

 

[Section 5]

This article should have come out weeks ago when we basically had nothing to talk about
Run a poll i say

 

[Section 5]

Apparently, weight for sports people is not important anymore.
The person at the back is not the coach.
He is an under 8 NRL player. Picture from 2017.



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Jockeys should not have to declare their weight if AFL players don't have to.

 

[dlanod]

Apparently, weight for sports people is not important anymore.

Disingenuous bullshit. No one's been saying that. The discussion is over whether the public have a right to know players' weights - I've not heard anything to indicate that clubs are banned from weighing players or anything.