Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[BRAB]

First they stopped selling plastic Australian flags at Woolworths and now I can’t access out of date information on a player’s weight.

Australia has gone to shit.

 

[Dalions]

First they stopped selling plastic Australian flags at Woolworths and now I can’t access out of date information on a player’s weight.

Australia has gone to s**t.

What is this World coming to?

 

[Grasshopper17]

Disingenuous bullshit. No one's been saying that. The discussion is over whether the public have a right to know players' weights - I've not heard anything to indicate that clubs are banned from weighing players or anything.

Who knows, maybe that's next. After all, skinfold tests applied to everyone until Chris Johnson came along. Leigh Matthews, ahead of his time, yet again.

 

[Section 5]

Disingenuous bullshit. No one's been saying that. The discussion is over whether the public have a right to know players' weights - I've not heard anything to indicate that clubs are banned from weighing players or anything.

No sense of humor today dianod. Did you miss the
My two tongue in cheek post prior to this were "shattered my childhood" and "run a poll i say"
Maybe i also should have stuck to the safer Simpsons gifs instead of the images.
Maybe the images got you riled up, but you did not say so.

Where in my post or previous posts did i say or infer "I've not heard anything to indicate that clubs are banned from weighing players or anything." Where did that come from?

Disingenuous bullshit. Pretty harsh words from a moderator and you really did not explain why you think that.

No one's been saying that: You are correct they have not but don't forget the
However even without the why can't a poster bring up something that no one has been saying. It's a forum.

On this: I started the discussion and stated i don't see any logic in withdrawing the players weights.
I also said i won't lose any sleep over the decision.
I have posted my serious point of view on the issue in other posts.
I also understand other posters would have different views and they do.

 

[dlanod]

No sense of humor today dianod. Did you miss the
My two tongue in cheek post prior to this were "shattered my childhood" and "run a poll i say"
Maybe i also should have stuck to the safer Simpsons gifs instead of the images.
Maybe the images got you riled up, but you did not say so.

Where in my post or previous posts did i say or infer "I've not heard anything to indicate that clubs are banned from weighing players or anything." Where did that come from?

Disingenuous bullshit. Pretty harsh words from a moderator and you really did not explain why you think that.

No one's been saying that: You are correct they have not but don't forget the
However even without the why can't a poster bring up something that no one has been saying. It's a forum.

On this: I started the discussion and stated i don't see any logic in withdrawing the players weights.
I also said i won't lose any sleep over the decision.
I have posted my serious point of view on the issue in other posts.
I also understand other posters would have different views and they do.

It didn't come across as tongue in cheek, it came across as misrepresenting the discussion to ridicule those posting about it

 

[Section 5]

It didn't come across as tongue in cheek, it came across as misrepresenting the discussion to ridicule those posting about it

Completely disagree with that assessment.
In what way was my post "misrepresenting" the discussion.

How in the world could you come to the conclusion that i "ridiculed" other posters on this subject.
In all the years i have been on this forum i have not once ridiculed any poster.

You really have not answered my question about your "Disingenuous bullshit" comment.

disingenuous​

adjective

1. not sincere, especially when you pretend to know less about something than you really do

 

[Nunez]

I would much rather read Section 5's joke than the gross rant McIvor went on.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

So why weren’t you critical of weights being published like five years ago when it wasn’t an issue or maybe you were an I never seen it. I find it funny so many get on bandwagons of things when they could easily have gotten in their high horse years earlier but interestingly are stone silent until they have the backing of the woke masses

It didn't occur to me. I cannot remember the last time I even sought out the information or thought about whether it was available. That's how useless a stat it is for me. If it had been taken away and no one had twigged, I (and many) would have been none the wiser.

How does any change affect you personally?

 

[rye]

The world has gone crazy and I bet it’s more to do with the AFLW because god forbid anyone can call any of them fat or overweight, which many are. I mean seriously when has a male players weight really been that much of an issue aside from say Fev at times or Whale Roberts or even one of the indigenous boys whose name escapes me that regularly came back in the off season unfit.

It really is insane how soft and precious younger people s feelings are these days.

All seems coincidental to me and another of these ridiculous topics to protect the many snowflakes out there.

I find it funny so many get on bandwagons of things when they could easily have gotten in their high horse years earlier but interestingly are stone silent until they have the backing of the woke masses

this has to be parody right?

youre posting about how soft and precious young people are and labeling others as snowflakes whilst being by far the most emotionally charged poster on this extremely inconsequential topic

 

[Section 5]

I would much rather read Section 5's joke than the gross rant McIvor went on.

I am glad someone took in in jest.

 

[knaf]

The only interest i‘ve had in players weights is “how can those blokes be built like that and still weigh way less than me?”

 

[The Flying Belgian]

this has to be parody right?

youre posting about how soft and precious young people are and labeling others as snowflakes whilst being by far the most emotionally charged poster on this extremely inconsequential topic

Needs more work though...

 

[irel]

This threads need more dance of the snowflakes.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

This threads need more dance of the snowflakes.

 

[Dom PC]

I don't agree with the argument that you should be able to tell with your own eyes if someone is bigger than another person. An extra 5kg of muscle is massive in terms of strength, but if you're watching 50m to 100m away and are dealing with the height and weight distribution variations, it's actually not always obvious who has the extra 3 to 5 kgs.

I'm willing to bet money people will often assume wrongly who has the strength advantage just using their naked eye.

AFL is an athletic sport where even the most unfit AFL footballer would be in the top 1% of the population in terms of fitness. So if listing your weight publicly for a full time athlete is too much for someone mentally, then I'd question that persons capacity to be a public figure and if AFL is the right career option for them.

There are expectations placed on them which aren't "normal" when comparing to most work places. But that's where the extra compensation and perks comes it. If you're willing to accept the pay cheque and the perks, you need to accept the job requirements.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I don't agree with the argument that you should be able to tell with your own eyes if someone is bigger than another person. An extra 5kg of muscle is massive in terms of strength, but if you're watching 50m to 100m away and are dealing with the height and weight distribution variations, it's actually not always obvious who has the extra 3 to 5 kgs.

I'm willing to bet money people will often assume wrongly who has the strength advantage just using their naked eye.

AFL is an athletic sport where even the most unfit AFL footballer would be in the top 1% of the population in terms of fitness. So if listing your weight publicly for a full time athlete is too much for someone mentally, then I'd question that persons capacity to be a public figure and if AFL is the right career option for them.

There are expectations placed on them which aren't "normal" when comparing to most work places. But that's where the extra compensation and perks comes it. If you're willing to accept the pay cheque and the perks, you need to accept the job requirements.

So by this logic because most get paid well they should reveal something that they are not necessary fully comfortable with so a very small percentage of fans can have a bit of very slightly useful information?

The weights listed haven't been accurate for a long time. So this argument doesn't really stack up

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

 

[Dom PC]

So by this logic because most get paid well they should reveal something that they are not necessary fully comfortable with so a very small percentage of fans can have a bit of very slightly useful information?

The weights listed haven't been accurate for a long time. So this argument doesn't really stack up

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

The game is for the fans. Without them, there is no AFL. No AFL footballer is forced to play AFL. There is an active choice the person is making there.

Anyone who thinks weight is not a relevant stat in an athletic game is being disingenuous.

 

[Grasshopper17]

If they were never there we wouldn't have any issue not knowing

Kind of irrelevant really isn't it... Probably at some stage in the (distant) past the weights of players were not known. Presumably it got first added to Footy Records, or newspaper entries, whatever, because the information was (a) useful or even (b) interesting. Now that could have been 50 or 100 years ago, but there very likely was a "before".

There may very well be an "after", where clubs no longer feel the need to weigh their players because it is neither useful or interesting. But while clubs still weigh their players, we are not yet at that stage.

 

[Nathan Barley]

The game is for the fans. Without them, there is no AFL. No AFL footballer is forced to play AFL. There is an active choice the person is making there.

Anyone who is thinks weight is not a relevant stat in an athletic game is being disingenuous.

So we should give all the idiots that support the AFL whatever they want?

It's relevant but it's also an outcome of the stuff clubs are more interested in but unlikely to share. Probably hence why they don't share accurate weights

Kind of irrelevant really isn't it... Probably at some stage in the (distant) past the weights of players were not known. Presumably it got first added to Footy Records, or newspaper entries, whatever, because the information was (a) useful or even (b) interesting. Now that could have been 50 or 100 years ago, but there very likely was a "before".

There may very well be an "after", where clubs no longer feel the need to weigh their players because it is neither useful or interesting. But while clubs still weigh their players, we are not yet at that stage.

I'm sure it was of some use back in the radio days and recent last where there was greater variability in a players professionalism

 

[Dom PC]

So we should give all the idiots that support the AFL whatever they want?

It's relevant but it's also an outcome of the stuff clubs are more interested in but unlikely to share. Probably hence why they don't share accurate weights

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here. Anyone who refutes that has missed the 100s of posts discussing Hipwood's weight over the last 5 odd years. Never once saw people saying the fans should mind their own business re his weight discussion.

The accuracy of the weights listed is a different argument.

Weight is a very relevant stat when it comes to physical sports. Not sure how people think it's a logical decision the AFL have come to in removing the stat.

 

[Nathan Barley]

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here. Anyone who refutes that has missed the 100s of posts discussing Hipwood's weight over the last 5 odd years. Never once saw people saying the fans should mind their own business re his weight discussion.

The accuracy of the weights listed is a different argument.

Weight is a very relevant stat when it comes to physical sports. Not sure how people think it's a logical decision the AFL have come to in removing the stat.

I think Hipwoods strength is relevant. His weight, I couldn't give a shit about

 

[martinson]

I'd really like to know what weight our players are. And their opponents.

It's not something I'm jumping up and down about. I've looked at it casually over time where it's available just out of interest.

There must be a reason the AFL has decided it's no longer to be available . Why is it 'inappropriate' ?

Whatever. It'll die its natural death like all of these issues that crop up and exec. decisions are made.

It's not something your average footy supporter would care about one way or the other.

Despite what's been postulated on this thread it'd be a surprise if the AFLW wasn't a factor in the thinking.

But who knows.

 

[BRAB]

No we shouldn't. A sensible and relevant stat which is an already established norm and referenced regularly in the sport is what we're talking about here.

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

 

[Jirik13]

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

Not sure about Lions site but Suns website updates weight once during the off-season (around time when official pictures are taken). Pretty accurate, I would say (based on some players interviews). E.g., one could see progress of Powell from 67kg as draftee to current 87kg.

Not the end of the world if the weight disappears but it is interesting info for me.

 

[Dom PC]

I feel like the weight that we are given on the club website has hardly been accurate for such a long time now that the fans aren’t really losing that much anyway though?

If I’m wrong and it has changed every year I’m sorry, but I can barely remember it ever being updated and certainly not throughout the season as it fluctuates massively.

I agree the weights aren't necessarily accurate all the time, but they are indicative.

I'm hoping the photos come through okay, but take away the weights and then compare Brandon Zerk Thatcher to Tom Hawkins. Their heights are very close and yet even the "inaccurate" listed weights give an added layer of information when comparing the players and understanding what type of players they are.

I don't think the accuracy of the players weights serves any justification to completely removing the stat all together.