Footy Draft.com - What the Hell is Going On?!?

[OZBomb]

Carlton's selections according to the new update...

1) Murphy
4) Dowler... WTF?
20) Pendlebury... Ditto
36) Looby...

Footydraft.com has been a pretty good guide up to this point but this list is just lacking any sense.

If Carlton selected this way in the real draft, I would be disgusted.

 

[audas]

Maybe the web master over at footy draft com is a pie fan.....

 

[Hu$$ey]

Yeah I don't like it much....don't want dowler or pendlebury.

I think we HAVE to get a key defender in this draft! If Bower is slipping to 41, why not pick him up at 36?

 

[Eddie19]

Surely they would have Hurn instead of Dowler and Bower instead of Looby or Pendlebury Terrible Mock Draft Footydraft.com you have been good up to now

 

[Kooley]

Maybe the web master over at footy draft com is a pie fan.....

i heard it was run by Wayne Hughes.

 

[Pafloyul]

I don't see what is so wrong with Pendlebury at 20? He is certainly better than the last one they had us taking. People are kidding themselves into thinking that pick is reserved for some super key-backmen that does not exist. Do people think that just because a player roughly fits our perceived 'needs' that he is automatically going to be the best pick? Certainly not with this draft he 'aint'

I know it's been done to death but this is a crap draft that might end up favouring the side(s) that take(s) a few risks. It must be a hard job for FootyDraft this year and it would be a big risk to their credibility for them to incorporate the above factor into their calculations and you lot would not be happy if they did anyway.

Although I would not pick Dowler at pick four myself, I guess clubs would find it difficult this year of being able to find a player that not only is a safe enough bet but also has enough of a required 'upside' to justify the high pick. They do however muck around with it to much at FootyDraft.

To reiterate, I'd be pretty pleased with Pendlbury at pick 20.

 

[Pivot]

Carlton's selections according to the new update...

1) Murphy
4) Dowler... WTF?
20) Pendlebury... Ditto
36) Looby...

Footydraft.com has been a pretty good guide up to this point but this list is just lacking any sense.

If Carlton selected this way in the real draft, I would be disgusted.

I thought the same thing Oz when I just looked at it now. Murphy is a given we hope!, Dowler wont play for 2 years probably (but is a gun), Pendlebury is a surprise (188cm outside winger - we already ahve Russell and Walker we "hope" to develop and "hope" will make it, havings aid this he is a leader and good player), Looby (solid back-flanker, will he be better than say a Sporn or Teague? Can he play anywhere else on the paddock?)

1. Murphy - please lock him in now Hughesy!
4. Dowler - with Kennedy, Hurn, Drum, Swallow and Clark after him (not sure about this one)
20. Pendlebury - with Spangher and Bower after him? (dont think so)
36. Looby - with bower, Wall, West, Mills and Cheetham after him (possibly but would still prefer Mills at this stage)

Look, I must admist I first thought "what a load of rubbish" but having thought more about it I would not be unhappy with those four players at all. Just think the CFC needs at least one of Spangher, Bower and Mills - I hope 2 of these guys!

I would much prefer:
1. Murphy
4. Swallow
20. Spangher
36. Bower

Two "genuine" ball-winning midfielders with class and leadership, and, two "genuine" tall, agile, natural, key defenders.

IMO we are struggling for many players in all sorts of positions but most of all:
- genuine ball-winning midfielders with leadership, and (Murphy & Swallow)
- genuine natural tall key defenders (Spangher & Bower)

 

[Kooley]

i think we should leave this up to the experts.

 

[Pivot]

Footyman? Huh

I'm sure it will be left to the experts mate, unless Wayne Hughes is posting on this site. After all, it is a supporters website and has threads for us all to post out opinions on. Isnt it?

 

[Effes]

Have some of you even seen pendlebury? How can you write him off when I'm betting you haven't even seen much of him! Ridiculous!

I'll have faith in our recruiters to pick the best players for the CFC

 

[Kooley]

Footyman? Huh

I'm sure it will be left to the experts mate, unless Wayne Hughes is posting on this site. After all, it is a supporters website and has threads for us all to post out opinions on. Isnt it?

yeh it is but unfortunately some of you crap on a bit too much about matters you know very little about.

 

[Pivot]

yeh it is but unfortunately some you crap on a bit too much about matters you know very little about.

No need to be so defensive mate. Just putting my view across. I DID say that I would be happy if we picked up those 4 players but would like a key defender in the draft.

No doubt Hughes, Pagan and co. will make the right decisions, this thread is just about our opinions on what footydraft.com has.

 

[Pivot]

Have some of you even seen pendlebury? How can you write him off when I'm betting you haven't even seen much of him! Ridiculous!

I'll have faith in our recruiters to pick the best players for the CFC

So do I, said that I would be happy with those 4 players footydraft.com put forward. As I've said just would like a key defender amongst our draftees.

 

[HBF]

I would much prefer:
1. Murphy
4. Swallow
20. Spangher
36. Bower

Two "genuine" ball-winning midfielders with class and leadership, and, two "genuine" tall, agile, natural, key defenders.

IMO we are struggling for many players in all sorts of positions but most of all:
- genuine ball-winning midfielders with leadership, and (Murphy & Swallow)
- genuine natural tall key defenders (Spangher & Bower)

I quite like that idea Paddy. Hadn't actually considered Swallow at #4, but would certainly add some much needed depth to our midfield and help plug some holes in defence..

 

[Blue70]

So do I, said that I would be happy with those 4 players footydraft.com put forward. As I've said just would like a key defender amongst our draftees.

We should be aiming at the following:

1). Murphy (locked in)

4). Kennedy or Ryder (which ever one is available)

20). Travis Varcoe (need the speed)

The only thing that concerns me is that I read in the papers this morning that Murphy is having scans on his shoulder, Kennedy needs a shoulder reco and Varcoe is currently in a moon boot after a foot operation! However all three of these guy's should be gun footballers with Murphy and Kennedy potential leaders of a club...

 

[Pivot]

We should be aiming at the following:

1). Murphy (locked in)

4). Kennedy or Ryder (which ever one is available)

20). Travis Varcoe (need the speed)

The only thing that concerns me is that I read in the papers this morning that Murphy is having scans on his shoulder, Kennedy needs a shoulder reco and Varcoe is currently in a moon boot after a foot operation! However all three of these guy's should be gun footballers with Murphy and Kennedy potential leaders of a club...

I like the look of that mate. Murphy they say will be fine, Kennedy sounds iffy if he is going to have a reco, Varcoe should be ok and traing before Christmas. I initall thought those would be a great top 3 for us to get but have heard that the Blues are warming to Swallow a bit.

 

[Pafloyul]

Why pick up a key position player just for the sake of it? Just because we will have one more tall-defender on our list does not automatically mean our side is in better shape. I believe Pendlebury has just as much chance of becoming a RR as Spangher has of becoming a key-backman at AFL level and much more change of making the grade altogether.


P.S, Paddy, Don’t you think it’s best to judge which players are the best footballers before anyone was labeled a “genuine” this, that or the other?

 

[mojo31]

Carlton's selections according to the new update...

1) Murphy
4) Dowler... WTF?
20) Pendlebury... Ditto
36) Looby...

Footydraft.com has been a pretty good guide up to this point but this list is just lacking any sense.

If Carlton selected this way in the real draft, I would be disgusted.

Dowler at 4

Dowler before the carnival was very highly rated. I am a bit biased because I did not see him until the carnival and then saw he and Marc play a number of times after that.
So I did not see Dowler at his best.

Dolwer plays a hard running hit up forward type. Tarrant/Hansen/Riewdolt type. He was playing CHF when I saw him and was almost never 1 on 1 and had a third defender coming over the top a lot.
Tested very well at draft camp and is pretty quick and a booming kick.
But he is 17 and very skinny and needs 2 or 3 pre seasons to build up. Now having the accident it makes it hard to know.
He can take a contested mark and is 195cms. Not much point comparing him to Waite and Fisher as they dont kick the ball anywhere near as well even though they have been at Carlton for a number of year.
Is Dowlers build going to allow him to be a 100kg monster contested marking CHF? Or perhaps a full forward with Fev perhaps a chance to be traded?

Is Waite going to play wing or down back in a couple of years. Same for Fisher. Where will Hartlett play? Will he even make the grade. Same for Setanta. Raso.

In other words who is the best available player because we have so many players who are young and inexperienced and we have no idea as to how they will end up.


I like Pendlebury also and would not be unhappy with him at pick 20. A bit of a project but plenty to work with. Kouta type hands.

Not a fan of Looby.

Dont think Bower will last to 36. Otherwise would take him there.

 

[Kooley]

Dowler at 4

Dowler before the carnival was very highly rated. I am a bit biased because I did not see him until the carnival and then saw he and Marc play a number of times after that.
So I did not see Dowler at his best.

Dolwer plays a hard running hit up forward type. Tarrant/Hansen/Riewdolt type. He was playing CHF when I saw him and was almost never 1 on 1 and had a third defender coming over the top a lot.
Tested very well at draft camp and is pretty quick and a booming kick.
But he is 17 and very skinny and needs 2 or 3 pre seasons to build up. Now having the accident it makes it hard to know.
He can take a contested mark and is 195cms. Not much point comparing him to Waite and Fisher as they dont kick the ball anywhere near as well even though they have been at Carlton for a number of year.
Is Dowlers build going to allow him to be a 100kg monster contested marking CHF? Or perhaps a full forward with Fev perhaps a chance to be traded?

Is Waite going to play wing or down back in a couple of years. Same for Fisher. Where will Hartlett play? Will he even make the grade. Same for Setanta. Raso.

In other words who is the best available player because we have so many players who are young and inexperienced and we have no idea as to how they will end up.


I like Pendlebury also and would not be unhappy with him at pick 20. A bit of a project but plenty to work with. Kouta type hands.

Not a fan of Looby.

Dont think Bower will last to 36. Otherwise would take him there.

good call Dowler. saw him once in the carnival and my first impressions were of a young revolt.

 

[Pivot]

Bit early for comparisons I think.

Pendlebury with Kouta hands is a huge call. Likewise Dowler and Riewoldt.

Waite has proven he can play as a tall marking forward so I wouldn't be saying "where does he play?". Fisher has shown he can play a similar role, deep in attack or leading up the ground.

Thornton can play tall at half-back. Livo? Saddington I like but still has a ? next to his name.

Understand the "where will they play?" tag for Hartlett and Raso as it is still a bit unclear as to how their future looks.

In regards to taking a key defender for the sake of it, i think we need to take one and trial & develop them. I think we need to have a project key defender on our list. Livingston is on shaky ground, Whitnall still has question marks and so does Saddington. That leaves Thornton IMO as a key defender who we can usually count on. We need more, it's obvious!

Genuine refers to the fact they play as midfielders often (Murphy and Swallow) and key defenders often (Bower, Mills, Spangher). Walker didn't when we drafted him, I think he played a lot as a flanker.

 

[Pafloyul]

Fair enough Paddy, I think it would be ideal to take a tall defender but I just think Prendlebury may be the best bet if he is there at 20, If someone like Bower or Obst were still there with our next pick then great. Looby at 36 would be a bit daft in my book.

 

[mojo31]

Bit early for comparisons I think.

Pendlebury with Kouta hands is a huge call. Likewise Dowler and Riewoldt.

Waite has proven he can play as a tall marking forward so I wouldn't be saying "where does he play?". Fisher has shown he can play a similar role, deep in attack or leading up the ground.

Thornton can play tall at half-back. Livo? Saddington I like but still has a ? next to his name.

Understand the "where will they play?" tag for Hartlett and Raso as it is still a bit unclear as to how their future looks.

In regards to taking a key defender for the sake of it, i think we need to take one and trial & develop them. I think we need to have a project key defender on our list. Livingston is on shaky ground, Whitnall still has question marks and so does Saddington. That leaves Thornton IMO as a key defender who we can usually count on. We need more, it's obvious!

Genuine refers to the fact they play as midfielders often (Murphy and Swallow) and key defenders often (Bower, Mills, Spangher). Walker didn't when we drafted him, I think he played a lot as a flanker.

Pendlebury has huge hands like Kouta does. Sorry if you do not agree. It mean he handles the ball differently. Played basketball and a lot of those point guards have bigger than normal hands even if they are not 7 foot tall.

I described Dowler as a hit up forward. Leads long and hard for the ball. Just like Riewoldt/Tarrant/Hansen do. They have midfielder pace and aerobic ability and use it to there advantage. Dowler has the best pace and beep test at draft camp for the top KPP players.
He is also the skinniest of the lot and I wrote that in as well.

I tried and compare to a known player so people get the idea as to how they play a little.

 

[mojo31]

Bit early for comparisons I think.

Pendlebury with Kouta hands is a huge call. Likewise Dowler and Riewoldt.

Waite has proven he can play as a tall marking forward so I wouldn't be saying "where does he play?". Fisher has shown he can play a similar role, deep in attack or leading up the ground.

Thornton can play tall at half-back. Livo? Saddington I like but still has a ? next to his name.

Understand the "where will they play?" tag for Hartlett and Raso as it is still a bit unclear as to how their future looks.

In regards to taking a key defender for the sake of it, i think we need to take one and trial & develop them. I think we need to have a project key defender on our list. Livingston is on shaky ground, Whitnall still has question marks and so does Saddington. That leaves Thornton IMO as a key defender who we can usually count on. We need more, it's obvious!

Genuine refers to the fact they play as midfielders often (Murphy and Swallow) and key defenders often (Bower, Mills, Spangher). Walker didn't when we drafted him, I think he played a lot as a flanker.

Fisher played a few games at the end of the season. Did well but not sure that elevates him to gun forward. Still skinny and cant really gain weight.
How would he go on Scarlett?

Waite had some good games and some very poor ones. Took big strides in 2005 but again he had number 2 or 3 defender and not a zoning off 3rd defender like Fevola has to worry about.

2 promising players. Hardly reached champion status and can lock them away for the next 10 years as 2 gun forwards.

Waite might play down back or on the wing or develop into a CHF.
Fisher might also but wont be a CHF. Maybe just a very good third marking target up forward.

The people on this site seem to be convinced that any young player we have who showed anything this year will naturally improve and become a gun.
So Bentick, Carrazzo, Simpson,Fisher,Waite and Betts who showed something this year will naturally improve and become 200 game players?
How will they go when they get extra attention next year?

Pick 1,4,20,36 will all turen out to become guns as well. Forget logic and the history of draft picks it must happen?

Try being a bit more realistic Paddy.

 

[Salaryman]

I don't think mojo meant "will be as good as" when making the comparisons, but rather build and style of play. I heard Pendlebury can do amazing things with the ball in one hand a-la Kouta, and also wouldn't mind seeing him in the dark navy.

It is useless (although fun) speculating, because we don't know who will be left at each spot.....a Varcoe might slip through to #20 (although i highly doubt it), and you would pick him up at the drop of a hat there, need for KPP or not. Also Bower and Spangher might be gone before #20, we don't know.

However with question marks over a number of players in this draft, there are going to be a large number of factors detemrining whether a player makes it at the top level or not, so we won't really know how we did for a few years down the track.

I belive that if we got Dowler and he did progress to be a Riewoldt type then it is going to be advantageous to build a side around that type of player, a Waite might be more handy on a wing or back flank to make room for Dowler. We shouldn't shy away from Dowler if he is the best available because we have a number of good potential forwards already.

I wouldn't even consider Looby unless Drum slipped through to #20

 

[mojo31]

I don't think mojo meant "will be as good as" when making the comparisons, but rather build and style of play. I heard Pendlebury can do amazing things with the ball in one hand a-la Kouta, and also wouldn't mind seeing him in the dark navy.

It is useless (although fun) speculating, because we don't know who will be left at each spot.....a Varcoe might slip through to #20 (although i highly doubt it), and you would pick him up at the drop of a hat there, need for KPP or not. Also Bower and Spangher might be gone before #20, we don't know.

However with question marks over a number of players in this draft, there are going to be a large number of factors detemrining whether a player makes it at the top level or not, so we won't really know how we did for a few years down the track.

I belive that if we got Dowler and he did progress to be a Riewoldt type then it is going to be advantageous to build a side around that type of player, a Waite might be more handy on a wing or back flank to make room for Dowler. We shouldn't shy away from Dowler if he is the best available because we have a number of good potential forwards already.

I wouldn't even consider Looby unless Drum slipped through to #20

Could not agree more.

Dowler is not who I personally would take at pick 4 but can see the logic in it as well.

Question marks on every other player other than Marc Murphy just a question of weighing them all up.

We have a number of tall players on our list and really it is going to take a number of years to really know how good some of them will be.

No point in going through them all as we all know who they are.